Name: 美烏達成協議！戰事結束計畫草案將修改 | DW 新聞 (US and Ukraine agree to change draft of plan to end the war | DW News)
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The US And Ukraine say they have agreed to work on an updated and refined version of a peace plan put forward by Washington after a day of high stakes diplomacy in Geneva.

美國和烏克蘭表示，他們同意在瑞士日內瓦進行一天高風險外交後，就華盛頓提出的和平計畫更新精進版本展開合作。

The White House described the discussions in Switzerland as a significant step forward, while Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were signals that President Trump's team was listening to Kyiv.

白宮形容在瑞士的討論是重要的一步，而烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基則表示，有跡象顯示川普總統的團隊有在聽取基輔的意見。

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US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on his way to meet Ukrainian and other European officials in Genev early on Sunday.

美國國務卿馬可·魯比歐週日清晨前往日內瓦，與烏克蘭及其他歐洲官員會面。

A chance for Washington to finalize its 28 point plan to end the war in Ukraine.

這是華盛頓為結束烏克蘭戰爭的28點計畫定案的機會。

A plan that has alarmed Kyiv's European allies and some U.S.

這項計畫讓基輔的歐洲盟友和一些美國國會議員感到擔憂。

lawmakers for its concessions to Russia, including Kyiv, ceding territory to Moscow.

因為計畫中包含對俄羅斯的讓步，包括基輔割讓領土給莫斯科。

As the talks got underway, media got a glimpse of who was present inside the negotiations.

隨著談判開始，媒體得以一窺參與協商的人員。

But by the end of the day, little was revealed about what was discussed.

但到了當天結束時，關於討論內容的細節卻所知甚少。

So I'm not going to speculate or go into the details of any of the specific items in the latest version of the proposal because frankly, by tomorrow or the next day that may have evolved and changed further.

所以我不會去猜測或深入探討最新版本提案中的任何具體細節，因為坦白說，到明天或後天，這些內容可能又會進一步演變和改變。

But I can tell you, I guess that I feel very optimistic that we can get something done here because we made a tremendous amount of progress today.

但我可以告訴你，我感覺非常樂觀，認為我們在這裡能有所成就，因為我們今天取得了巨大的進展。

That positive tone was echoed by the head of the Ukrainian delegation in Geneva.

烏克蘭代表團團長在日內瓦也表達了同樣樂觀的語氣。

And Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky had this to say.

烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基是這麼說的。

The delegation has just reported on the results of their discussions and these were substantive conversations.

代表團剛報告了他們討論的結果，這些都是實質性的對話。

We are working very carefully on the steps needed to end the war.

我們正非常謹慎地處理結束戰爭所需的步驟。

An assessment on just how those discussions may have gone came in a later joint U.

一份關於這些討論可能如何進行的評估，來自稍後一份美國與烏克蘭聯合聲明。

聲明中提到，經過談判後已起草了一份更完善的和平框架，並指出任何未來的協議都必須完全維護烏克蘭的主權，並帶來可持續且公正的和平。

It said that a refined peace framework had been drafted following the talks and stated that any future agreement must fully uphold Ukraine's sovereignty and deliver a sustainable and just peace.

這些條款可能會讓俄羅斯感到擔憂，因為任何在華盛頓和基輔之間達成的協議，都必須由俄羅斯簽署。

Terms that may well concern Russia, who would have to sign off on any agreement hammered out between Washington and Kyiv.

好的，讓我們連線在烏克蘭和瑞士的特派記者，瞭解更多情況。

Right, let's get more on this from our correspondents in Ukraine and Switzerland.

Nick Connolly is in Odessa and Jack Parrac has been covering these talks in Geneva.

尼克·康諾利在敖德薩，而傑克·帕拉克則在日內瓦報導這些會談。

所以，傑克，我們先從你開始。

ukraine and the EU are on the same page when it comes to ending the war in Ukraine?

烏克蘭和歐盟在結束烏克蘭戰爭這件事上，意見一致嗎？

Hard to tell whether they're on the same page, but

what they're saying is the right kind of things.

The Ukrainians and the Americans looked positive.

烏克蘭和美國看起來都很積極。

我們從馬可·魯比歐那裡確實看到了這一點。

We also saw it from Andre Yermak, the Ukrainian head of delegation.

我們也從烏克蘭代表團團長安德烈·葉爾馬克那裡看到了。

But what's interesting about these talks that were cobbled Together at last minute.

但有趣的是，這些會談是在最後一刻倉促拼湊起來的。

Everybody rushed into Geneva on Saturday night for the talks that took place throughout Sunday is that the main event really was the direct talks between the Americans and the Ukrainians.

大家星期六晚上趕到日內瓦參加週日的會談，而真正重頭戲是美國和烏克蘭之間的直接對話。

But prior to that, the Ukrainians had been meetings with, meeting with representatives from the European side.

但在此之前，烏克蘭方面已經和歐洲方面的代表會面了。

So the Brits, the French, the Italians and the Germans and some representatives from the European Union as well.

所以有英國、法國、義大利、德國，還有一些歐洲聯盟的代表。

But these talks and this agreement, this mood music, isn't all of those.

但這些會談和這個協議，這種氣氛，並不是全部。

Not the Americans and the Europeans and the Ukrainians.

And in fact, the Europeans responded to Trump's so called 28 point peace plan with their own 28 points that they've responded, which include not ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia and not reducing the military to the extent that Donald Trump, the US President had wanted.

事實上，歐洲方面對川普所謂的28點和平計畫做出了回應，他們也提出了自己的28點，其中包括不割讓烏克蘭領土給俄羅斯，也不削減軍隊到美國總統唐納·川普想要的程度。

As I say, it was quite a shambolic day yesterday.

就像我說的，昨天真是亂七八糟的一天。

Everybody running between different locations, but they have wrapped up and they seem positive.

大家到處奔波，但會談已經結束，而且氣氛看起來是正面的。

So a lot of people are hoping that that's a good sign for peace in the long run.

所以很多人都希望這是長期和平的好兆頭。

I do want to come back to you about the European version of this plan, but

不過，我還是想回到歐洲版本的這個計畫，

Nick, what's been the reaction in Ukraine to this day of talks?

尼克，烏克蘭方面對今天的會談有什麼反應？

Certainly in terms of official reactions, it's all about gratitude to Donald Trump and basically toeing the polite line that has been the lesson for Ukraine's politicians since Donald Trump got back into the White House.

就官方反應來說，無疑都是對唐納·川普的感謝，以及基本上遵循著自從唐納·川普重返白宮以來，烏克蘭政界學到的那套禮貌性的說法。

Do not say anything that can be construed as a lack of gratitude.

不要說任何可能被解讀為缺乏感謝的話。

Do not contradict him in public and then let the Europeans say out loud what you're thinking in terms of quite how bad this plan is.

不要公開反駁他，然後讓歐洲人說出你們的想法，關於這個計畫有多糟糕。

I think for now they're going to go along with it.

我認為目前他們會順著這個計畫走。

They are very, very worried about the blame game, about being blamed by D.C.

他們非常、非常擔心被指責，擔心被華盛頓指責。

and obviously by the Russians for this war continuing.

當然還有被俄羅斯指責戰爭持續下去。

There's still huge skepticism whether actually anything will change, but they have to be seen to be engaging.

儘管大家對實際會有什麼改變仍有很大的懷疑，但他們必須展現出參與的態度。

And, you know, they are hoping Ukraine's allies in Washington more, let's say, mainstream Republicans will sort of push Trump.

而且，你知道的，他們希望美國的烏克蘭盟友，或者說，主流的共和黨人能「推」一下川普。

We've heard from Trump recently, this is not his last offer.

我們最近聽川普說，這不是他的最後報價。

And it seems like all of these points are still very much up for grabs.

而且看起來，這些點都還懸而未決。

You know, this seems a really clear point now that the American side doesn't have any real principled attachment at these points.

你知道的，這現在看來是一個非常清楚的點，就是美國這邊對這些點並沒有什麼真正原則上的堅持。

This is all about getting this done in a hurry and potentially getting a Nobel Prize for Donald Trump.

這一切都是為了趕快完成，然後唐納·川普可能還能得到諾貝爾獎。

So I think for now it's about holding the nerve and letting the Europeans do the unpleasant stuff in public and Hoping that this kind of passes.

所以我想，現階段就是保持鎮定，讓歐洲人公開做那些不討喜的事，然後希望這件事就這樣過去。

Jack, let's talk about the Europeans because you were saying earlier that European officials were basically pushing back against the US President's the so called peace proposal.

傑克，我們來談談歐洲人，因為你剛才說歐洲官員基本上在反對美國總統所謂的和平提議。

And you're talking about this, their own adapted plan that they presented.

而且你還在談論他們自己提出的、經過調整的計畫。

What are the salient points of that plan, do you know?

你知道那個計畫的重點是什麼嗎？

And how infringient would you say has Europe been along the way?

歐洲在這過程中有多麼干涉呢？

Well, the plan, it hasn't been publicly circulated yet, but

嗯，這項計畫還沒有公開流傳，但是

we know that it has been sent to the Americans and essentially it outlies the Same sort of 28 points but with the red lines of the Europeans and the Ukrainians, like I said, not ceding territory, not reducing the military so that Ukraine wouldn't be able to defend itself.

我們知道這份計畫已經送交給美國人，而且基本上它概述了相同的 28 個要點，但加上了歐洲人和烏克蘭人的紅線，就像我說的，不割讓領土，不削減軍隊，以免烏克蘭無法自衛。

The big question now is how do the Europeans position themselves?

現在最大的問題是歐洲人要如何定位自己？

Obviously they've funded the Ukrainians to a large extent throughout the period of this war and supported politically massively.

顯然，在這場戰爭期間，他們在很大程度上資助了烏克蘭人，並在政治上給予了他們龐大的支持。

So now I think what we will expect is some sort of strengthening.

所以我認為現在我們會預期到某種程度的強化。

There was the coalition of the willing this to these discussions to keep going now amongst EU leaders.

歐盟領導人之間已經組成了一個「願意聯盟」，以推動這些討論繼續進行。

And they're also aware that Donald Trump set out this Thursday deadline for a deal to be done.

他們也意識到唐納·川普設定了週四的最後期限來完成協議。

But a number of the diplomats and officials that I've spoken to have said listen, this deadline was sort of created by Donald Trump and it can be moved and that the priorities and the red lines that they won't change just because there's a sort of arbitrary deadline of Thursday this week.

但我接觸過的許多外交官和官員都說，聽著，這個最後期限是唐納·川普設定的，而且可以移動，而且他們的優先事項和紅線不會因為本週四有一個隨意的最後期限而改變。

Nick, where does this leave Volodymyr Zelensky?

尼克，那這樣澤倫斯基總統的處境如何？

Has the Ukrainian president's hand been strengthened in these past few days?

烏克蘭總統的籌碼在這幾天有變強嗎？

Well, that's the extraordinary thing about this British that on the one hand, you know, this looked incredibly bad for Ukraine when it kind of filtered out at the end of last week.

嗯，這件事最特別的地方是，一方面，你知道，上週末消息傳出時，這對烏克蘭來說看起來糟透了。

Basically it seemed like Donald Trump had decided to order the Ukrainians to capitulate.

基本上，看起來唐納·川普決定命令烏克蘭投降。

But on the other hand, in terms of domestic politics, it has basically saved him.

但另一方面，就國內政治而言，這基本上救了他。

It has for now at least delayed all talk of the VIP corruption scandal in the Energy Ministry that was also getting dangerously close to his the head of his administration, Andre Yermak, who's now in Geneva basically heading Ukraine's delegation and obviously is now untouchable for the foreseeable future because of that.

至少目前為止，這延緩了能源部的 VIP 貪腐醜聞的所有討論，這個醜聞也差點牽連到他的政府首長安德烈·葉爾馬克，他現在人在日內瓦，基本上是烏克蘭代表團的領頭人，而且因為這件事，他未來一段時間顯然是 untouchable（無法被觸碰）的。

Even though lots of people here in Ukraine wanted him gone last week.

即使上週烏克蘭很多人都希望他下臺。

And there is a real sense now that Zelensky people around him are going to fight back and attack those very same anti corruption organs that brought out these investigations last week and try and dampen things down and tell people this is not the time to rock the boat.

現在大家普遍感覺到，澤倫斯基身邊的人會反擊，攻擊那些上週發動調查的同一批反貪腐機構，試圖壓制這些事情，並告訴大家現在不是搖動船身的時候。

Maybe in the short term it will in terms of the kind of investigations.

短期內，在調查方面，這或許會有點效果。

But I think Ukrainian public opinion has really bought into these investigations and is really following in a way that they don't normally with kind of normal revelations that aren't quite as visceral and as kind of extraordinary as the ones we saw last week.

但我認為烏克蘭的民意已經真正接受了這些調查，而且非常關注，不像平常對那些沒那麼震撼、沒那麼戲劇性的爆料那麼有興趣，不像我們上週看到的那樣。

Nick Connolly in Odessa and Jack Parrack in Geneva, thank you both so much.

感謝敖德薩的尼克·康諾利和日內瓦的傑克·帕拉克。

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