Name: 克萊伯恩對共和黨人士喊話：川普為何不餵飽孩子們？ (Clyburn to GOP panelists: Why won't Trump feed the children?)
Uploaded: 2025-11-21T16:57:31.000Z
Duration: 6 min 8 s

What is the plan that Republicans are putting forward?

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Because you do hear over and over and over again that Obamacare is terrible.

因為你一直聽到歐巴馬健保很糟糕。

You hear it every single time from Republicans.

Why do subsidies need to exist but I have yet to hear a robust plan from Republicans.

為什麼補助金需要存在，但我還沒聽到共和黨有什麼可靠的計畫。

Well, generally they want more free market choices.

嗯，一般來說，他們想要更多的自由市場選擇。

They want people to feel like that their insurance actually is usable right now.

他們希望大家覺得他們的保險現在真的可以用。

我是說，我不知道你們怎麼樣，但是

I know tons of people who have insurance that would tell you.

我認識好多買了保險的人都會跟你說。

It doesn't even feel like I have insurance at all.

Look, I have a small business back in Kentucky.

聽著，我在肯塔基州有個小型企業。

Every year I get a letter from the people that we get our insurance from.

每年我都會收到我們保險公司的信。

Your premiums that you pay for, your employees are going up, you know, 10, 15, 20%.

你們付的保費，你們員工的保費，你知道的，會漲 10%、15%、20%。

I can tell you this, the insurance benefits never get better.

我可以告訴你，保險福利從來沒有變好過。

And the employees that I have would tell you it doesn't ever feel like they're, you know, any better off because of it.

我這裡的員工也會跟你說，他們從來不覺得因為這樣而有任何好轉。

But the health outcomes and the insurance benefits they get are at a, aren't any better.

但他們的健康狀況和保險福利並沒有變得更好。

And so it, it just feels broken and it feels like you don't really have any choices to me, but

所以，感覺就是出了問題，而且我覺得你們好像真的沒有什麼選擇，

you don't have choices because Republicans have not shown a robust plan.

你們沒有選擇是因為共和黨沒有提出一個強而有力的計畫。

I hear the diagnosis of the problems, but

where is the legislation, the full legislation that you can say, hey, we're going to replace this.

法案在哪裡？完整的法案在哪裡，讓你們可以說，嘿，我們要取代這個。

I'm not sure Republicans are going to be for a government run, run or government mandated system.

我不確定共和黨會支持一個由政府營運，或是政府強制體系。

What they're going to be for is free market choices, giving people more choices that would probably drive down costs and put them in more direct touch with their own health care.

他們會支持的是自由市場選擇，給人們更多選擇，這可能會降低成本，讓他們更直接地接觸到自己的醫療照護。

Right now they're in touch with insurance companies which don't do anything.

現在他們只跟保險公司打交道，但保險公司什麼都沒做。

There's a lot of things in the ACA that Americans like, whether they are Republicans or Democrats or anything in between.

歐巴馬健保裡面有很多東西，是美國人喜歡的，不管是共和黨、民主黨還是中間派。

The idea that you can't get kicked out of health care because of a preexisting condition, the idea that there's no caps, you know, all of these things are things that we've all benefited from, particularly the neediest amongst us.

不能因為有既往症就被踢出健保，沒有上限，你知道的，這些都是我們都受益的，特別是我們最需要幫助的人。

Look, I think this issue is not going to go away and we're going to be talking about this because we're going to hear horrible stories.

你看，我認為這個問題不會消失，我們會一直討論，因為我們會聽到很糟糕的故事。

People are not going to be able to afford their insurance I don't think even with subsidies, they're going to be able to afford the premiums that are hiking up 100, 200, 300%.

我不認為人們即使有補助金，也負擔得起保費，保費正在飆升百分之百、兩百、三百。

Wasn't Obama supposed to fix that, people?

歐巴馬不是 supposed to 解決這個問題嗎，大家？

Republicans have been chipping away at the aca.

共和黨一直在削減歐巴馬健保。

And I think, I think this is going to be the death of the aca, but

我認為，我認為這將是歐巴馬健保的末日，但

it's also going to be the death of some Americans who don't go get screenings, who don't get diagnosed early enough in order to get treatment, who go in and instead of being stage one cancer, are going to be stage four cancer.

這也將是許多美國人的末日，他們無法接受篩檢，無法及早診斷以接受治療，他們進醫院時，不是第一期癌症，而是第四期癌症。

And we're going to hear horrible stories because Americans are going to choose to drop health insurance that they cannot afford.

我們會聽到很糟糕的故事，因為美國人會選擇放棄他們負擔不起的健康保險。

And we as a country have got to figure this issue out.

我們國家必須找出這個問題的解決辦法。

You asked Scott about, just real quick, you asked him about what the Republican plan is, and

你問了 Scott，很快地，你問了他共和黨的計畫是什麼，

And the thing about Donald Trump is he's just not patient anymore.

而唐納·川普的問題是，他已經沒有耐心了。

He's been in government a very long period of time.

他在政府待了非常長一段時間。

And then to your point about the SNAPS benefit, about Democrats being the party of humility, a government shut down is an ugly business.

然後回到你剛才提到的 SNAP 福利，關於民主黨是謙遜的政黨，政府關閉是很難看的事。

Donald Trump was the one that refused that the rainy day fund that SNAP had.

唐納·川普是那個拒絕了 SNAP 原本的應急基金的人。

Democrats refused to open the government.

It was a rainy day fund in place for that very reason of a possible government shutdown.

這是為了應對可能政府關閉而設立的應急基金。

民主黨可是投了歐巴馬健保的票。

There's issues with it, but if you break it, you bought it.

雖然它有些問題，但既然你接受了，就得承擔。

We can fix it within the system or we can do something else.

我們可以在體系內修復它，或者我們可以做別的事。

But there's a lot of private health care insurance out there.

但市面上有很多私人醫療保險。

And if you think of getting rid of an affordable lawsuit, well, you've been in Congress and you have seen vote after vote after vote to repeal Obamacare.

如果你想廢除一個負擔得起的法案，嗯，你曾在國會，你見過一次又一次的投票要廢除歐巴馬健保。

And the question is to replace it with what?

那問題是我們要用什麼來取代它？

We still hear when two courts said to Trump, feed these children, he has appealed that.

我們還是聽到，當兩位法官告訴川普要餵養這些孩子時，他卻上訴了。

Why don't we have two judges say to Democrats, you must vote to open the government because kids are hungry.

為什麼我們沒有兩位法官告訴民主黨人，你們必須投票開放政府，因為孩子們餓了。

Do two unelected judges have that authority?

兩位未經選舉產生的法官有那個權力嗎？

You can ask, answer the question with your question at all you want to.

你可以問，隨便你怎麼問來回答這個問題。

But the fact of the matter is, an unelected judge probably does not have the authority to tell the executive branch.

但事實是，一位未經選舉產生的法官可能沒有權力命令行政部門。

Judge, do you believe, as a member of Congress, a judge can compel the executive to spend money that you haven't appropriated?

法官，你相信，身為國會議員，法官可以強迫行政部門花費你們沒有撥款的錢嗎？

不，但也許我們需要一天當國王。

I mean, that is literally a king spending money that is not appropriate.

我的意思是，這根本就是國王在花不該花的錢。

You're turning the president into one if he can spend without appropriation.

如果總統可以在沒有撥款的情況下花錢，你就等於把他變成國王了。

Well, now, if you got a rainy day fund, it was appropriated at one time, correct?

嗯，現在，如果你有個應急基金，它總是有撥款過的，對吧？

They didn't appropriate it yesterday or the day before, but the money was appropriated last year sometime, and

他們不是昨天或前天撥款的，但這筆錢是在去年的某個時候撥款的，而且

the rainy day fund was there for this purpose.

這個應急基金就是為了這個目的而存在的。

Who appropriated the $40 billion for Argentina?

誰為阿根廷撥款了 400 億美元？

我的看法是，作為一個，作為一個。

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