Name: 西蒙-辛克與特雷弗-諾亞談友誼、孤獨、脆弱等 | 完整對話 (Simon Sinek & Trevor Noah on Friendship, Loneliness, Vulnerability, and More | Full Conversation)
Uploaded: 2025-08-16T14:54:40.000Z
Duration: 24 min

情態助動詞 A2

As you can see, there's nothing up here because there was nothing here.

正如你所看到的，這裡什麼都沒有，因為這裡什麼都沒有。

So first of all, thank you and I hate you Anastasia.

首先，謝謝你，我恨你，阿納斯塔西婭。

But we were having a conversation in the little courtyard yesterday and I bumped into Simon, I've seen him around a bunch, I love him.

但昨天我們在小院子裡哈拉，我碰到了西蒙，我見過他很多次，我很喜歡他。

I always tell you I have like the biggest brain crush on you.

我總是跟你說，我對你有最大的好感。

But we were having the discussion and then Sarah came up from the team and was like are you guys speaking?

但我們正在討論的時候，團隊裡的莎拉走了過來，說你們在說話嗎？

I said I'll speak if he does something, I just want to listen to him.

我說如果他做了什麼，我就說，我只想聽他說。

And then Anastasia was like I heard you and now here we are.

然後阿納斯塔西婭就說我聽到了，現在我們就在這裡了。

So I'm not going to waste anybody's time because I'm sure many of you will agree with me but if you don't know, this man right here is honestly one of the greatest thinkers of our generation.

所以我不想浪費大家的時間，因為我相信你們很多人都會同意我的觀點，但如果你們不知道，這位先生確實是我們這一代最偉大的思想家之一。

I love how his mind works, I love how he challenges us, how he thinks about thinking and really all I wanted to know and the genesis was yesterday is what are you fascinated by right now?

我喜歡他的思維方式，喜歡他挑戰我們的方式，喜歡他思考問題的方式，其實我想知道的是，昨天的起因是，你現在對什麼著迷？

Because I know you're always working on something or you're always drilling into something.

因為我知道你總是在忙著什麼，或者你總是在鑽研什麼。

Well it's interesting because the common theme that we've been hearing from all the talks today which is the passion isn't some manufactured thing.

這很有趣，因為我們從今天的所有演講中都聽到了一個共同的主題，那就是激情並不是人為製造出來的。

Where you sort of find the passion and do what you're passionate about.

在這裡，你可以找到激情，做你熱衷的事情。

激情是一種輸出，而不是輸入。

And what we hear is somebody finds an obsession for something and that then becomes their passion.

我們聽到的情況是，有人發現自己痴迷於某件事情，然後這就成了他們的激情。

And the same is definitely true I'm sure for you and definitely true for me.

So the thing that I'm sort of obsessing about right now is friendship.

所以，我現在最糾結的事情就是友誼。

There's an entire industry to help us be better leaders.

整個行業都在幫助我們成為更好的領導者。

There's an entire industry to help us be better parents.

有一整個行業都在幫助我們成為更好的父母。

There's an entire industry to help us eat better, exercise better, sleep better.

有一整套產業可以幫助我們吃得更好、運動得更好、睡得更好。

And yet there's barely anything on how to be a friend.

然而，幾乎沒有任何關於如何成為朋友的內容。

And if you think about all the mental health challenges that so many of us are facing today whether it's coping with stress, depression, anxiety, addiction, even obsession with longevity.

如果你想一想我們今天許多人面臨的所有心理健康挑戰，無論是應對壓力、抑鬱、焦慮、成癮，甚至是對長壽的痴迷。

Friendship is the ultimate biohack that literally fixes all those things.

友誼是終極生物駭客，它可以解決所有這些問題。

I've always felt like I'm not a very superstitious person, grew up very religious.

我一直覺得自己不是一個很迷信的人，從小就很虔誠。

But I do believe in some sort of magic in the universe.

但我確實相信宇宙中存在某種魔力。

And every time I bump into you I feel like we're thinking about the same thing but on a slightly different path.

每次遇到你，我都覺得我們在想同一件事，只是走的路略有不同。

And usually other people are forced to listen to us just talk about that slightly different path.

而通常情況下，其他人不得不聽我們講述那條略有不同的道路。

But the reason this fascinated me is because I've been thinking a lot about friendship and what it means.

不過，這讓我著迷的原因是，我一直在思考友誼以及友誼的意義。

And a friend of mine actually said to me on a trip recently she said in successful spaces often times people will use the word sacrifice.

實際上，我的一位朋友最近在一次旅行中對我說，在成功的空間裡，人們常常會使用犧牲這個詞。

你知道，我們聽到了很多人的聲音。

We heard Martin, we heard so many people up on the stage saying sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice.

我們聽到馬丁，聽到臺上那麼多人在說犧牲、犧牲、犧牲、犧牲。

And she said one of the most powerful things ever to me.

She said when we say we've sacrificed something for our career we shouldn't be afraid to put a name to who that sacrifice was because often time it was the people in our lives that we call friends.

她說，當我們說我們為事業犧牲了什麼時，我們不應該害怕說出犧牲者的名字，因為很多時候，犧牲者就是我們生活中的朋友。

And I wanted to know have you been thinking about that?

我想知道你有沒有想過這個問題？

Like how do you think of friendship and then the sacrifice that brings you here to sit with people where you may make new friends or not?

比如，你是如何看待友誼的，又是如何看待讓你來到這裡與人們坐在一起的犧牲的，在這裡你可能會交到新朋友，也可能交不到新朋友？

Well I think definitely for me and I can't speak for anybody else but definitely for me I think the sacrifice was lopsided.

我覺得對我來說肯定是這樣，我不能代表其他人，但對我來說，我覺得犧牲是一邊倒的。

And I think especially for high performers who I think later on in life you start to realise that that network of friends sometimes isn't there because you've sacrificed.

我認為，特別是對於那些成績優異的人來說，我認為他們在以後的生活中會開始意識到，朋友圈有時並不存在，因為你已經做出了犧牲。

You know the number of us who have cancelled on friends because a meeting comes up.

你知道，我們當中有多少人因為要開會而取消了與朋友的約會。

That we'll say to somebody for a meeting can we meet on Friday instead of Thursday?

我們會對某人說，我們能不能在週五而不是週四開會？

Because in my calendar, we wouldn't say it, but in my calendar is a friend.

因為在我的日曆上，我們不會說出來，但在我的日曆上有一個朋友。

And definitely for me the times where I have tripped, slipped, fell, hit rock bottom, felt alone, any of those spaces, my work wasn't going to rescue me.

當然，對我來說，在絆倒、滑倒、摔倒、跌入谷底、感到孤獨等任何情況下，我的工作都無法拯救我。

And it was by the grace of some higher power that there was always a friend who saw it and recognised it in me who picked me up.

正是由於某種更高的力量的恩典，總有一個朋友看到了這一點，並認識到了我，他把我扶了起來。

And so I realised that we talk about investing, we talk about, you know, this is a different kind of investment.

是以我意識到，我們在談論投資時，我們談論的是，你知道，這是一種不同的投資。

You and I were talking about it the other day, you know, which is people are moving to, in the United States, you know, people are moving from California and New York to Texas and Florida to avoid paying taxes because they want to save time.

你和我前幾天都在談論這個問題，你知道，在美國，人們從加利福尼亞州和紐約州搬到德克薩斯州和佛羅里達州，以避免納稅，因為他們想節省時間。

And yet where else, I want it to be the reverse.

但在其他地方，我希望情況恰恰相反。

Like I want to like, I'm not worried about like saving the money, you know, to be in a place I don't want to live.

就像我想要的那樣，我並不擔心存錢，你知道，我並不想住在一個我不想住的地方。

I want to live with the people I love and if it costs more.

我想和我愛的人生活在一起，如果花費更多的話。

And by the way, by cost, I mean that maybe I won't achieve that thing or maybe I'll miss that deadline or maybe I'll miss that quarter, you know.

順便說一句，我說的代價是指，也許我無法完成那件事，也許我會錯過最後期限，也許我會錯過那個季度，你知道的。

We think of sacrifice as always against people.

But I can make a sacrifice for my career, for my friends.

但我可以為我的事業、為我的朋友做出犧牲。

And it's about striking that right balance.

Because your friends will be there for you, your work won't.

因為你的朋友會支持你，但你的工作不會。

是啊，你看，我就喜歡這句話。

Your friends will be there for you, your work won't.

你的朋友會支持你，但你的工作不會。

I was talking to a friend about this conversation.

And my friend was like, what do you like, what do you love about Simon so much?

我的朋友問我，你喜歡西蒙什麼？

And I said, what I love about Simon is this, is I feel like you're a truffle pig of like ideas that will shape the world.

我說，我喜歡西蒙的一點是，我覺得你就像一隻松露豬，你的想法將塑造世界。

And what I mean by that is, what I mean by that is like.

我的意思是，我的意思是這樣的。

Whatever you choose to take from it, take from it.

無論你選擇從中學到什麼，就從中學到什麼。

I love seeing what you're sniffing around in.

Because I believe it's connected to something far greater.

因為我相信它與更偉大的東西有關。

It's not the truffle, but it's the meal that is now going to influence and the restaurant that it's now going to shape.

它不是松露，而是現在要影響的餐點，以及現在要塑造的餐廳。

Friendship is like, yeah, go out with your friends, hang out with your friends.

友誼就像，是的，和你的朋友一起出去，和你的朋友一起玩。

Why would you care about friendship on like a global scale?

你為什麼會關心全球範圍內的友誼？

So let me take one step back and try and get to an answer.

所以，讓我退一步，試著找出答案。

Our understanding of addiction largely comes from an experiment that was done I think in like the 50s or 60s where they put a rat in a cage.

我們對成癮的理解主要來自於一個實驗，我想是在上世紀五六十年代做的，他們把一隻老鼠關在籠子裡。

There was one thing of water where it was plain water and one thing that was laced with drugs.

有一種水是白開水，有一種水摻雜了毒品。

And in short order, the rat discovered the drug-laced beverage and loved it, drank more and more until it killed itself.

很快，老鼠發現了這種摻了藥的飲料，並愛不釋手，越喝越多，直到自殺。

And our understanding of addiction largely comes from this study.

而我們對成癮的理解很大程度上來自於這項研究。

There was a guy named, I think his name was Bruce Alexander, who said, hold on, it's flawed.

有個叫布魯斯-亞歷山大（Bruce Alexander）的人說，等等，這是有缺陷的。

The whole study is flawed because rats like us are social animals.

整個研究都有缺陷，因為老鼠和我們一樣都是社會性動物。

But that's not what you're supposed to do with social animals.

但你不應該這樣對待社會動物。

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