Name: 政客為何喜歡陰謀論 (Why Politicians Love Conspiracy Theories)
Uploaded: 2025-08-06T06:56:52.000Z
Duration: 9 min 4 s

Let's talk about politicians, disinformation, Jeffrey Epstein, and conspiracy theories.

讓我們來談談政客、虛假資訊、傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦和陰謀論。

I'm not a political guy, but I love talking about disinformation.

我不懂政治，但我喜歡談論虛假資訊。

And in a lot of ways, conspiracy theories are kind of like a controlled burn, right?

從很多方面來看，陰謀論就像是一種有控制的燃燒，對嗎？

Politicians might set these conspiracy theories or agree with these conspiracy theories in order to further an agenda, right?

政客們可能會設定這些陰謀論，或者同意這些陰謀論，以推進他們的議程，對嗎？

You do a controlled burn because it is something good.

你進行有控制的焚燒，因為這是件好事。

But here's the deal, a controlled burn conspiracy theory might sometimes escape containment, come back and burn you.

但問題是，受控燃燒的陰謀論有時可能會逃脫控制，回來燒你。

And that's what we're kind of seeing with President Trump telling his followers who believe in the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories that he doesn't want their support anymore.

這就是我們所看到的，特朗普總統告訴那些相信傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦陰謀論的追隨者，他不想再得到他們的支持。

That's what we're seeing with Attorney General Pam Bondi, who said there was an Epstein client list.

這就是我們在司法部長帕姆-邦迪（Pam Bondi）身上看到的，她說有一份愛潑斯坦的客戶名單。

And one of the things that you alluded to, and this is something Donald Trump has talked about, the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

你提到的一件事 唐納德-特朗普也提到過 司法部可能會公佈傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦的客戶名單

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

它現在就放在我的桌子上，等著我審閱。

Now, conspiracy theories are something that both sides do.

現在，陰謀論是雙方都會做的事情。

我相信自由主義者也會這麼做。

But no one ever actually listens to those guys.

但沒有人真正聽過這些人的話。

And here's the deal, conspiracy theories are so popular because you don't have to provide proof, right?

是這樣的，陰謀論之所以如此流行，是因為你不需要提供證據，對嗎？

You just have to provide enough doubt to get people to be convinced about your way of thinking.

你只需提供足夠的疑問，讓人們對你的思維方式深信不疑。

And I've often likened it to Harry Potter.

我經常把它比作《哈利-波特》。

Well, Harry Potter is popular because it's a very powerful idea for children to have agency.

哈利-波特》之所以受歡迎，是因為它為孩子們提供了一個非常強大的 "代理權 "理念。

They don't even get to decide what goes into their mouth.

他們甚至不能決定吃進嘴裡的是什麼。

But Harry Potter is a powerful fantasy because it allows them to imagine themselves as a wizard.

但《哈利-波特》是一個強大的幻想，因為它能讓他們把自己想象成一個魔法師。

And only they know the truth about the real world.

只有他們才知道真實世界的真相。

And that's kind of how conspiracy theories work.

But then you get to come home and you get to learn the real truth about what's going on.

但回到家後，你就會知道事情的真相。

And that's a very, very powerful feeling for people.

對人們來說，這種感覺非常非常強烈。

Now, both sides have used Jeffrey Epstein here.

現在，雙方都利用了傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦。

You have Democrats claiming that Trump was part of Epstein's inner circle.

民主黨人聲稱特朗普是愛潑斯坦核心圈子的一員。

And you have Republicans claiming that Epstein was on the cusp of releasing this global exploitation ring before he died mysteriously inside of jail.

共和黨人聲稱，愛潑斯坦在獄中離奇死亡前，正準備釋放這個全球剝削集團。

But the deal here is that both sides are going after what I call emotional truth, which is different than real truth.

但問題是，雙方都在追求我所說的情感真相，而情感真相與真實真相是不同的。

Emotional truth is what you feel in your heart to be true rather than what you can actually prove is true.

情感真理是你內心認為真實的東西，而不是你能證明真實的東西。

And that's how you end up with someone saying, oh, we're going to release the list.

於是就有人說，哦，我們要公佈名單了。

And then all of a sudden, there is no list.

And this could be one of those situations where you're just using this conspiracy theory in order to get elected.

這可能是你為了當選而使用陰謀論的一種情況。

And then once you actually get elected and you get access to this information, you go, oh, crap, there actually isn't any kind of client list.

一旦你真的當選了，接觸到了這些資訊，你就會發現，哦，糟糕，居然沒有任何客戶名單。

And that's actually something that's kind of believable because I'm old enough to remember Madam to the Stars Heidi Fleiss.

事實上，這種說法還挺可信的，因為我已經上了年紀，還記得 "明星夫人 "海蒂-弗萊斯（Heidi Fleiss）。

And Heidi Fleiss had a client list and it had like Mick Jagger and I think Jack Nicholson was in it as well.

海蒂-弗萊斯有一份客戶名單，裡面有米克-賈格爾，我想傑克-尼科爾森也在裡面。

That didn't work out so well for her and her clients.

這對她和她的客戶來說都不是什麼好事。

So it's certainly assumed that people have used obfuscation or they've taken client lists and they've spread them across multiple documents or they just don't hold client lists at all anymore.

是以，可以肯定的是，有人使用了混淆手段，或者他們把客戶名單分散到多個文件中，或者他們根本就不再持有客戶名單。

So it could be the case of there really is no client list or these client lists are spread across multiple documents so there is no actual list.

是以，可能真的沒有客戶名單，或者這些客戶名單分散在多個文件中，是以沒有實際的名單。

So I'm actually willing to give Attorney General Pam Bondi the benefit of the doubt.

是以，我其實願意給司法部長帕姆-邦迪（Pam Bondi）以疑點利益。

She might not really have known what she was walking into or there might have certainly have been some files on her desk that she hadn't read yet and she had no idea what was in them.

她可能真的不知道自己在做什麼，或者她的桌子上肯定有一些她還沒有看過的文件，她也不知道里面有什麼。

Because, you know, just kind of flippantly making stuff up off the cuff just seemed to work when you're on Fox News talking to your supporters.

因為當你在福克斯新聞上與你的支持者交談時，隨口胡謅似乎很管用。

Now if you do light a controlled burn you better have a freaking fire break.

現在，如果你真的點火控制燃燒，你最好有一個該死的防火隔離帶。

That's how you end up with stuff like QAnon, Pizza Gate, the Dominion voting machine scandal.

所以才會有 QAnon、Pizza Gate 和 Dominion 投票機醜聞等事件。

Those are three things off the top of my head that I think of that metastasized and got out of control.

這是我想到的三件已經轉移和失控的事情。

And these things start off as like little rhetorical questions, right?

這些問題一開始都是反問句，對吧？

As talking points to kind of get the base excited.

作為談話要點，讓基層民眾興奮起來。

But if you don't control these things that's how you end up with people going,

但是，如果你不控制這些事情，最終就會有人離開、

How come you haven't arrested Hillary yet?

Or, hey, if the Epstein list was real before you got elected, why is it fake now?

或者，嘿，如果愛潑斯坦的名單在你當選之前是真的，為什麼現在又是假的了？

Now Democrats aren't really blameless here.

現在，民主黨人並不是真的毫無責任。

A good example is the Russia collusion hoax.

通俄騙局就是一個很好的例子。

Now don't get me wrong, intelligence agencies and even I have said that Vladimir Putin would have supported anyone except Hillary Clinton getting elected in 2016 mainly because he didn't like Hillary Clinton.

現在不要誤會我的意思，情報機構甚至我都說過，弗拉基米爾-普京會支持除希拉里-克林頓之外的任何人在 2016 年當選，主要是因為他不喜歡希拉里-克林頓。

So he did everything he could to make sure that she wasn't elected.

是以，他竭盡全力確保她無法當選。

But people went and took that Russia support for Trump and ran with it all the way over to the other side of Trump's illiteral Russian asset.

但人們卻把俄羅斯對特朗普的支持，一路帶到了特朗普的俄羅斯資產的另一面。

Another example of conspiracy theory on the Democrat side comes from J.D. Vance and the Couch.

民主黨方面的另一個陰謀論例子來自 J.D. Vance 和 Couch。

For those of you who don't know, there's this urban legend conspiracy theory that J.D. Vance had relations with a rubber glove and a couch and he talked about it in his book, Hillbilly Elegy.

對於那些不知道的人來說，有這樣一個都市傳說陰謀論：J.D. Vance曾與一隻橡膠手套和一張沙發發生過關係，並在他的書《鄉下人的輓歌》中談及此事。

Here's why this conspiracy theory worked.

Number two, nobody actually read Hillbilly Elegy, right?

第二，沒人真正讀過《山民的輓歌》，對吧？

But the interesting thing here is that nobody that I know of on the Democrat side said like, hey man, I actually looked at that chapter in Hillbilly Elegy and it wasn't true.

但有趣的是，據我所知，民主黨方面沒有人說，嘿，夥計，我真的看了《山民的輓歌》中的那一章，那不是真的。

That's not how our system is supposed to work here.

When it comes to conspiracy theories, our adversaries, Russia, China, they know that we're really into these things.

說到陰謀論，我們的對手，俄羅斯、中國，他們知道我們真的很喜歡這些東西。

They don't need to hack voting machines to influence elections.

他們不需要黑進投票機來影響選舉。

They just need to hack your brain, right?

他們只需要入侵你的大腦，對嗎？

They just need to get you to mistrust all of our institutions and then they can kind of guide you into voting for whoever they want.

他們只需要讓你不信任我們所有的機構，然後他們就可以引導你投票給他們想要的人。

And that is the real danger here and the real conclusion of this.

這才是真正的危險，也是真正的結論。

Now we can't ban conspiracy theories because if you're an American, even lying or believing something that isn't true is free speech.

現在我們不能禁止陰謀論，因為如果你是美國人，即使撒謊或相信不真實的東西也是言論自由。

But one thing that we can do is hold our politicians accountable to not actually spreading the fire.

但我們能做的一件事就是讓我們的政客負起責任，不要讓火勢真正蔓延開來。

And one good example of this was John McCain.

約翰-麥凱恩就是一個很好的例子。

I think it was in 2008 when he was running against President Obama.

我想那是在 2008 年，當時他的競選對手是奧巴馬總統。

He had a person in the audience who claimed that Obama was a Muslim and she didn't trust him.

他的聽眾中有一個人聲稱奧巴馬是穆斯林，她不相信他。

I have read about him and he's not, he's not, he's a, he's an Arab.

我讀過關於他的資料，他不是，他不是，他是個阿拉伯人。

他是一個，他是一個，他是一個體面的人。

And John McCain, to his credit, he kind of stood up and said, no, no, Obama isn't a Muslim.

值得稱讚的是，約翰-麥凱恩站出來說，不，不，奧巴馬不是穆斯林。

Now they can disagree on policy, but John McCain didn't, didn't fan that conspiracy theory fire.

現在，他們可以在政策上有分歧，但約翰-麥凱恩沒有，他沒有煽動陰謀論的火焰。

And that's, that's something that I can certainly credit him with.

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