Name: 唐納德-特朗普是否可以接受價值4億美元的豪華飛機作為禮物？| 英國廣播公司新聞 (Is Donald Trump allowed to accept $400m luxury plane as a gift? | BBC News)
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Well, President Trump's visit to Qatar follows his decision to accept what he has called a free, very expensive aeroplane from Qatar's royal family.

特朗普總統在決定接受卡達王室提供的所謂免費、非常昂貴的飛機之後，對卡達進行了訪問。

It has been criticised by Democrats in the United States and even some Republicans as well, who say there is no such thing as a free plane.

美國民主黨人，甚至一些共和黨人也對這一做法提出了責備，他們認為沒有免費的飛機。

And it will cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars to refit it.

而改裝它將花費納稅人數十萬美元。

So let's talk a bit about that controversy and also what Donald Trump's trying to do in the Middle East with Naomi Lim, who's White House reporter for The Washington Examiner.

讓我們和《華盛頓檢查員》（The Washington Examiner）的白宮記者納奧米-林（Naomi Lim）來談談這場爭議，以及唐納德-特朗普在中東的企圖。

Thank you very much indeed for being with us once again.

非常感謝你再次來到我們的現場。

What would tell us a bit more about this row over the plane, what it's all about, and what have people been saying?

您能告訴我們更多關於飛機事件的資訊嗎？

So this plane, a $400 million Boeing 747, has been promised to President Trump from the Qatari royal family.

這架飛機，一架價值 4 億美元的波音 747，是卡達王室許諾給特朗普總統的。

And this is a huge deal because it's the most expensive presidential gift in history.

這是一件大事，因為它是歷史上最昂貴的總統禮物。

And what Democrats and, as you rightly mentioned, some Republicans are concerned about is that nothing in this world comes for free.

民主黨人以及你正確地提到的一些共和黨人所擔心的是，這個世界上沒有任何東西是免費的。

And so there are already complaints about the way that Trump is conducting diplomacy, particularly in the Middle East, because there are so many intricacies surrounding his personal finances and his company, the Trump organisation that is now currently run by his sons, how they're all interconnected.

是以，已經有人對特朗普開展外交活動的方式提出抱怨，尤其是在中東地區，因為圍繞他的個人財務和他的公司--目前由他的兒子們管理的特朗普組織--有太多錯綜複雜的問題，而這些問題又是如何相互關聯的。

And this is just one more piece in that puzzle.

Now, in his defence, what Trump actually says in his defence is that, you know, it's going to be a temporary fix.

現在，特朗普在為自己辯護時說，你知道，這只是暫時的解決辦法。

The problem domestically is that Boeing promised him a plane that won't be ready now until 2027.

國內的問題是，波音公司向他承諾的飛機要到 2027 年才能準備就緒。

And he wants something that he can fly around the world in right now.

他想要的是現在就能環遊世界的飛機。

And so he's saying that it's a temporary Air Force One.

所以他說這是臨時的空軍一號。

But as you said, it would have to be retrofitted with all of the gadgets to be swept for potential bugs and things like that.

但正如你所說的，它必須加裝所有的小工具，以檢查潛在的錯誤和類似的東西。

And then it would be donated to his presidential library.

So he's saying it's not technically a gift to him.

所以他的意思是，嚴格來說，這不是給他的禮物。

It's technically a gift to the Defence Department and the US people before it goes to the presidential library, which, you know, he says he won't use.

從技術上講，這是給國防部和美國人民的禮物，然後才會被送往總統圖書館，你知道，他說他不會用的。

But, you know, that could change in the future.

但是，你知道，未來可能會發生變化。

And so this is the big thing as he touches down in Qatar today.

是以，這是他今天抵達卡達的重頭戲。

And arguably, it's something that's overshadowed this trip that's been really important to him as his first major foreign foray, other than the Pope's funeral last month.

可以說，除了上個月教皇的葬禮之外，這次出訪對他來說非常重要，是他第一次大規模出國訪問。

He doesn't seem to care, though, does he, Donald Trump?

但他似乎並不在乎，不是嗎，唐納德-特朗普？

I mean, one Republican senator, Ryan Paul from Kentucky, said, I just think it's not worth the appearance of impropriety.

一位來自肯塔基州的共和黨參議員瑞安-保羅說："我只是覺得，這不值得以不正當的方式出現。

But President Trump presumably knew about all about that appearance, but doesn't seem to doesn't seem to bother him too much.

不過，特朗普總統大概對這一表象都心知肚明，但似乎並不太在意。

I mean, this is classic Trump response, his strategy to respond to any kind of controversy, and that's to dig in further.

我的意思是，這是特朗普的經典迴應，他應對任何爭議的策略，就是進一步深挖。

We saw him posting into the We Hours local time about defending this choice, which the Qataris actually say is still up in the air.

我們看到他在當地時間凌晨時分發布了關於為這一選擇辯護的帖子，卡塔爾人實際上說這一選擇仍懸而未決。

They haven't said it's still on the news.

And he was sort of saying, you know, I would be stupid not to accept this deal.

他的意思是，如果我不接受這筆交易就太蠢了。

And it's a very similar to how he defended his tax, his lack of releasing his tax reforms or his tax, sorry, his tax taxes, because he would say that, you know, I would be silly to try and pay more in my taxes, my personal taxes than, you know, it was necessary.

這與他如何為自己的稅收辯護非常相似，他沒有公佈他的稅收改革或他的稅收，對不起，他的稅收，因為他會說，你知道，我會很愚蠢地試圖支付更多的稅，我的個人稅，你知道，這是必要的。

And so this is something that we've seen.

But, you know, to that end about Republican criticism, I think it's been really interesting to see the type of people that are complaining about it.

但是，關於共和黨人的責備，我認為看到抱怨的人的類型真的很有趣。

For example, Laura Luma, who is an incredibly online conservative activist, and she is sort of saying, you know, why would we accept a donation from someone like the Qataris who have ties potentially with financing terrorism, as your previous guest mentioned, the Muslim Brotherhood.

例如，勞拉-盧瑪（Laura Luma），她是一位在網上非常活躍的保守派人士，她說，你知道，我們為什麼要接受像卡塔爾人這樣的人的捐款，因為他們可能與資助恐怖主義有聯繫，就像你前面的嘉賓提到的，穆斯林兄弟會。

And so that's something that people are, you know, worried about.

But as I mentioned before, I mean, I don't think anything will stop this.

但正如我之前提到的，我的意思是，我不認為任何事情能阻止這一切。

When Trump has an idea in his head, sometimes it goes ahead, regardless of the optics.

當特朗普腦子裡有一個想法時，有時就會一意孤行，不管別人怎麼看。

What about the optics, since you mentioned them, of this whole visit to the Gulf states?

既然你提到了，那麼這次海灣國家之行的影響如何？

He's been to Saudi Arabia, he's now in Qatar, as we've mentioned.

他去過沙特阿拉伯，現在在卡達，我們已經提到過。

What do you how do you assess the significance of this visit?

And what is Donald Trump trying to achieve, do you think, with this trip?

你認為唐納德-特朗普此行的目的是什麼？

Well, what I thought it was really interesting is that his first presidential trip when he was first elected president eight years ago was to the same region.

我覺得非常有趣的是，八年前他第一次當選總統時，他的第一次總統之行也是去的這個地區。

And so I think that it really sort of emphasizes the importance of the region to him, as you sort of said, politically, diplomatically, as well as sort of business commercially.

是以我認為，正如你所說的，這確實強調了該地區在政治、外交以及商業上對他的重要性。

And I think this is a way to do that, particularly after President Joe Biden's administration made the point to deprioritize the Middle East in favor of Asia.

我認為這是實現這一目標的一個途徑，尤其是在喬-拜登總統的政府提出將中東地區放在次要位置，轉而重視亞洲之後。

And so I think that's something that is is being made of here, something that he's said one of his aims is to come home with one trillion dollars worth of investment.

是以，我認為這是他在這裡要做的事情，他說他的目標之一就是帶著價值一萬億美元的投資回國。

Now, that's a number that the government, the White House likes to ban it around.

現在，政府和白宮喜歡把這個數字掛在嘴邊。

When you look at sort of the details of the proposals that are coming out, you know, particularly, I think Saudi Arabia wants to put in six hundred billion dollars, and they've already sort of said they're going to spend one hundred and forty two billion dollars on defense spending with the US, which is double their budget.

當你看到這些提案的細節時，你知道，特別是，我認為沙特阿拉伯想要投入六千億美元，而且他們已經說過，他們將在美國的國防開支上花費一千四百二十億美元，這是他們預算的兩倍。

And so we have to be careful with these big promises, what that actually means.

是以，我們必須慎重對待這些重大承諾，它們究竟意味著什麼。

I think the other thing that's really interesting about this trip is the distance that Trump has put between himself and Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu, because this is usually if he goes to the Gulf states, he'll also try and make a trip to Israel.

我認為這次訪問的另一個有趣之處在於，特朗普拉近了自己與以色列總理內塔尼亞胡的距離，因為通常情況下，如果他去海灣國家，他也會嘗試訪問以色列。

He's not doing that amid the Hamas, the war with Hamas.

在與哈馬斯的戰爭中，他沒有這樣做。

And the other thing that I think that will be really interesting is not only you mentioned also the Syrian president.

另外，我認為非常有趣的一點是，不僅你提到了敘利亞總統。

Does this sit down with him the first time a U.S. leader has met with someone in the official Syrian government for 25 years?

這次與他的會面是否是 25 年來美國領導人首次與敘利亞政府官員會面？

Also, it was most recently on the U.S. terrorism watch list.

此外，它最近還被列入了美國恐怖主義觀察名單。

And the other thing that I'm watching is sort of developments with all the other negotiations that are going around in this region.

我還在關注該地區其他談判的進展情況。

For example, there were the fourth round of talks about an Iran, a new Iran nuclear deal in Oman, as well as Thursday's meeting in Qatar with potentially the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, and the Ukrainian president, Vladimir Zelensky.

例如，在阿曼舉行的關於伊朗核問題新協議的第四輪會談，以及週四在卡達可能與俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾-普京和烏克蘭總統弗拉基米爾-澤連斯基舉行的會晤。

And so I think those are the things that are the things to watch on this four day trip.

是以，我認為這些都是這四天行程中值得關注的事情。

And you mentioned his meeting with the interim president of Syria, Ahmed al-Sharar, who was, as you said, did have an American bounty on his head until very recently.

你還提到了他與敘利亞臨時總統艾哈邁德-沙拉爾的會面，正如你所說，直到最近，美國還在懸賞他的人頭。

This is a sort of classic Donald Trump again, isn't it?

這又是一種典型的唐納德-特朗普，不是嗎？

He likes a bold move and to meet him, then to lift sanctions on Syria, albeit at the request of the Saudis and the Turkish government, I think.

他喜歡大膽的舉動，與他會面，然後解除對敘利亞的制裁，儘管我認為這是應沙特和土耳其政府的要求。

But anyway, these are bold diplomatic brushstrokes, aren't they?

但無論如何，這些都是大膽的外交筆觸，不是嗎？

Yeah, and I do think it was sort of a way to undercut this idea that, I mean, I wrote a story earlier this week saying, you know, there's more of an emphasis on business deals rather than diplomacy.

是的，我確實認為這是一種削弱這種觀點的方式，我的意思是，我在本週早些時候寫了一篇報道，說你知道，現在更強調的是商業交易而不是外交。

And this is a point or a development that counters that.

而這一點或這一事態發展恰恰反駁了這一點。

And I think it is a really big deal, as you sort of said.

正如你所說，我認為這確實是件大事。

Again, it shows the closeness of Trump's relationship with the Saudi crown prince.

這再次表明了特朗普與沙特王儲的親密關係。

As you said, it sort of came at the request of him.

There are sort of, you know, sort of other sort of things within this idea of lifting the sanctions.

你知道，解除制裁的想法中還包含了其他一些東西。

You know, this idea that he wants Syria to normalize relations with Israel.

他希望敘利亞與以色列關係正常化。

He wants to really make them crack down on terrorists that are in their in their territory, as well as sort of try and counter ISIS.

他想讓他們真正打擊在其境內的恐怖分子，並試圖打擊 ISIS。

So these things are sort of part of his larger Middle East vision, which is about commerce as well as sort of getting rid of extremism.

是以，這些都是他更宏大的中東願景的一部分，即商業以及消除極端主義。

That's what they said going into this meeting.

And I think we're sort of seeing that coming out of it as well.

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