You said, you know, I never worry about you, That's true.

你說，你知道，我從來不擔心你，那是真的。

That was such a wonderful thing to hear it.

聽到這句話是如此美妙的事情。

Like sort of like took took me aback.

就像有點像把我嚇了一跳。

I was really, yeah, I really loved hearing that well, I meant it and then I actually referenced in the beginning of the episode, your career arc, but I first met you as a stand up doing stand up comedy and you were so funny and your material so sharp and well observed and obviously stand up to write your own material, you have to have the fortitude to get up there and deliver it.

我真的，是的，我真的很喜歡聽到這句話，我是認真的，然後我實際上在這一集的開頭提到了你的職業弧線，但我第一次見到你是在做單口相聲的時候，你是如此的有趣，你的材料是如此的尖銳和觀察入微，顯然，站起來寫你自己的材料，你必須有毅力上去提供它。

And so I met you in that guy's then I saw you as I said in one of my favorite shows of all time in Silicon Valley and, and I thought I love this guy, I love the show, I thought everyone was perfectly cast and um that is a very hard thing to pull off.

是以，我在那個傢伙那裡遇到了你，然後我在我最喜歡的節目之一《硅谷》中看到了你，我想我喜歡這個傢伙，我喜歡這個節目，我認為每個人都是完美的演員，嗯，這是一個非常難的事情。

It's you know, in so many ways the perfect show and my son and I have really bonded over that show, we love that show and re watch it a lot and then you made the big sick and I just like I, you know, you and your wife made it and I was just saying like, oh, this guy just keeps leveling up, which I thought was very impressive and then you've had this whole other ark, oh thank you.

這是你知道的，在很多方面都是完美的節目，我和我的兒子真的因為這個節目而結緣，我們喜歡這個節目，並經常重新觀看，然後你做了大病，我就像我，你知道，你和你的妻子做了，我只是說，哦，這傢伙只是不斷地提高水準，我認為這是非常令人印象深刻的，然後你有這個整個其他方舟，哦，謝謝你。

So I'm I don't worry about you, do you worry about Conan at all and you can be honest, no I don't worry about Conan, you know what insane because I don't care.

所以我我不擔心你，你是否擔心柯南，你可以誠實地說，不，我不擔心柯南，你知道什麼是瘋狂，因為我不關心。

Well that's another great way not and also to be fair you don't really worry about anyone.

嗯，這是另一個偉大的方式，不，也是公平的，你真的不擔心任何人。

Yeah I worry about, I could count the people on my hands on a good day.

是的，我擔心的是，在一個好的日子裡，我可以用手去數人。

My mother uh brother, I really worry about Emily.

我的母親呃兄弟，我真的很擔心艾米麗。

Um No I what it's been inspiring about your career is you've done so many things to and you've been so good at finding it sort of um evolving yourself and you know doing these like long long form interviews which at the beginning, you know I for obviously I watched The Simpsons but it was your show on NBC that when I first started watching and you were doing like comedy that I had never seen on tv before, I'd never seen that kind of comedy.

嗯，不，我對你的職業生涯的啟發是，你已經做了這麼多事情，你一直很善於找到它的排序，嗯進化自己，你知道做這些像長長的採訪，在開始時，你知道我為明顯我看了辛普森一家，但它是你在NBC的節目，當我第一次開始看，你在做像喜劇，我從來沒有見過電視上，我從來沒有見過這種喜劇。

It was like surreal and risky and bizarre and it was awesome and to see how since then all the stuff you've done now um sort of redefining yourself over and over.

這就像超現實的、有風險的和怪異的，這很了不起，看到從那時起你現在做的所有事情，嗯，一遍又一遍地重新定義自己。

It's really really inspiring, continuing to be very funny and insightful and relevant.

它真的真的很有啟發性，繼續非常有趣，有洞察力和相關性。

Oh that's so nice.

哦，那真是太好了。

I I it is interesting that um there was a quote I read a long time ago um by I can't remember who it was, it might have been like eric Clapton or someone but it was way back in the late seventies and um he some band met him or some famous musicians met him and they're like, oh my God, you know, eric Clapton?

有意思的是，我很久以前讀到過一句話，我不記得是誰說的了，可能是艾瑞克-克萊普頓或某個人說的，但那是七十年代末的事了，嗯，他的某個樂隊遇到了他，或者一些著名的音樂家遇到了他，他們就像，哦，我的上帝，你知道，艾瑞克-克萊普頓？

And he just said to them uh what's your advice?

他只是對他們說，呃，你有什麼建議？

And he just said keep moving, keep moving.

而他只是說繼續前進，繼續前進。

And and I i it kind of rang a bell with me a little bit, which is uh I'm I am no eric Clapton in any reality, but I do believe it struck me that he wasn't sitting back and saying, huh?

我覺得這對我來說有一點印象，我不是埃裡克-克萊普頓，但我相信他沒有坐在後面說，嗯？

Yeah, I'm eric Clapton and what I've noticed over the years and I see this a lot with musicians and comedians.

是的，我是埃裡克-克萊普頓，多年來我注意到，我在音樂家和喜劇演員中經常看到這種情況。

Is there the ones that I tend to admire, don't they never settle down and go, you know what I did it, I did it, they just don't do it.

是否有那些我傾向於佩服的人，難道他們從來沒有安定下來，去，你知道我做了什麼，我做了，他們只是不做。

And that's the yin and the yang of it.

這就是它的陰和陽。

It's very uh it's it's tricky, but they, you know, the martin shorts, the steve martin's, all these people that I really admire from a generation or two before mine.

這是非常呃，這是非常棘手的，但他們，你知道，馬丁短褲，史蒂夫-馬丁的，所有這些人，我真的很佩服從我之前的一兩代人。

Um they they're restless and they're constantly trying to find that uh next way that they can explore whatever it is, they have, whatever their talent is, they can explore it and and define it and that intrigues me.

他們不安分，他們不斷地試圖找到下一個方法，他們可以探索任何東西，他們有，無論他們的天賦是什麼，他們可以探索它，並定義它，這讓我很感興趣。

That really fascinates me when people can do that.

當人們能夠做到這一點時，這真的讓我著迷。

Yeah.

是的。

And to see steve martin and martin short at this point of their careers doing the best work of their careers.

並看到史蒂夫-馬丁和馬丁-肖在他們職業生涯的這一階段做了他們職業生涯中最好的工作。

like, I truly think they've never been better and to make it look so effortless, which is part of the appeal, I think of that show is, you know, they make you feel safe, you're like, oh, I'm in the hands of pros and the way martin short is sort of, you know, doing the martin short thing, but in a way that, like, works within that reality, It's so good.

我真的認為他們從來沒有這麼好過，而且讓它看起來毫不費力，這也是該節目的吸引力之一，我認為，他們讓你感到安全，你就像，哦，我在專業人員的手中，馬丁-肖的方式是，你知道，做馬丁-肖的事情，但以一種方式，如，在現實中工作，這是如此之好。

The other side of that though is it's something I've been working on and I talked to Emily about a lot, she says, you don't ever take a moment to be like, happy for anything you've done.

不過，這也是我一直在努力的事情，我和艾米麗談了很多，她說，你永遠不要花時間去喜歡，為你所做的任何事情感到高興。

She says she calls it rest on your laurels, she's like, you should every now and then do that.

她說，她把這叫做安於現狀，她說，你應該每隔一段時間就這樣做。

But um I think to a fault for me, I don't have it, like, I just finished shooting Chippendales in july is the toughest shoot of my life.

但是，嗯，我認為對我來說，我沒有這個能力，比如，我剛剛在7月拍完《奇葩說》，這是我人生中最艱難的一次拍攝。

It was very, very exhausting, very, very satisfying and wonderful and magical five months and she was like, as soon as it's done, you're going to start freaking about what you're going to do next.

這是非常、非常累人、非常、非常令人滿意、美妙和神奇的五個月，她說，一旦完成了，你就會開始為你接下來要做的事情感到害怕。

And I was like, no, I'm so proud of this show and my work in it and everybody else is working it, that this time I won't have that this time, I won't think that this was the last job of my career, and now it's done, and then I took a week, I slept for a week and then on monday I was like, this is it, that's the end of my career.

我當時想，不，我為這個節目和我在其中的工作以及其他人的工作感到非常自豪，這次我不會有這種想法，我不會認為這是我職業生涯的最後一份工作，現在它已經完成了，然後我花了一個星期，我睡了一個星期，然後在星期一我想，就是這樣，這是我職業生涯的結束。

Nothing else is coming, What's next?

沒有其他東西了，接下來是什麼？

So, it does lead to anxiety.

是以，它確實導致了焦慮。

I mean, you know, I've chosen a life we all have, although this gives you some stability.

我的意思是，你知道，我選擇了我們都有的生活，雖然這給你一些穩定。

Well, you don't have stability.

嗯，你沒有穩定性。

It's always like, thing to thing to thing.

它總是像，事情與事情之間的關係。

It feels like you're always jumping on to the next lily pad, you know?

感覺你總是跳到下一個荷花池上，你知道嗎？

Um and so I would like to have a little bit more of a, um comfort in, like, looking at the whole career, rather than just thinking job to job to job.

是以，我希望能有一點，嗯，舒適的感覺，就像，看整個職業生涯，而不是隻想著工作到工作到工作。

I think it's tough too, because you are still young.

我認為這也很艱難，因為你還年輕。

I always think maybe this comes later on, um I'm no spring chicken.

我總是想，也許這是後話，嗯，我不是春秋大盜。

And I keep I sometimes get the first hints of it now of just Someone will show me something from our show in 93 and I'm so young and I don't even remember.

我保持我有時會得到它的第一個暗示，就是有人會給我看我們93年演出的東西，我是如此年輕，我甚至不記得了。

I have, I have no um, I don't know, I don't really have much of a connection to it anymore.

我有，我沒有嗯，我不知道，我真的和它沒有什麼關係了。

I feel like I'm not even, I'm not even that person anymore because it was so long ago, and they say every cell in your body has been fully replaced after seven years that this is now 30 years ago.

我覺得我甚至不是，我甚至不是那個人了，因為那是很久以前的事了，他們說你身體裡的每一個細胞在七年後都被完全替換了，這現在是30年前了。

And yeah, exactly, it's for Exactly four Conan's ago.

是的，確切地說，這是為確切的四個柯南的前。

And um, they're not improving either.

而且，嗯，他們也沒有改善。

It's a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy.

它是一個副本的副本的副本。

But uh, I will look at it and I'll feel an affection for that guy because I know well, he's well intentioned and I know how hard he's working and he's really putting this stuff out there and he's getting screamed at by the network that night, and, but he's God love him.

但是，呃，我會看著它，我會對那個人有一種感情，因為我知道很好，他是好意，我知道他有多努力，他真的把這個東西放在那裡，他那晚被網絡尖叫，而且，但他是上帝愛他。

I hope his skin clears up.

我希望他的皮膚能好起來。