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- Mary، why do some governments succeed where others fail؟
- 為什麼有些政府成功,有些政府失敗?
- It's a very good and a very Important question
- 這是一個非常好的,非常重要的問題。
And I think about it a lot With my fellow elders
我經常和我的長輩們一起思考這個問題。
Nelson Mandela brought this group Of elders together
納爾遜-曼德拉把這群長者聚集在一起。
And we constantly look at failed states، States in conflict
我們經常看到失敗的國家... ...衝突中的國家
Visit، and try to analyze
訪問】試分析
I also have another reference point Which you touched on
我還有另一個參考點,你也提到了
I've been on the board and the prize comity Of the Mo Ibrahim foundation
我一直是莫-易卜拉欣基金會的董事會和獎金委員會成員。
Since it's started we're like 10 years 2016 is our 10th year
自從它'開始,我們'就像10年一樣2016年是我們的第10年。
And the Ibrahim index Covers 15 years
而易卜拉欣指數涵蓋了15年。
Because we did 2 years at a time
因為我們一次做了2年
And it covers 4 main areas
而它主要包括4個方面
Safety and rule of law، which covers Rule of law، accountability، personal safety
安全及法治 涵蓋法治、問責、人身安全等內容
And national safety
和國家安全
And then participation and human rights Which covers participation، rights and gender
然後是參與和人權,包括參與、權利和性別問題
And sustainable economic opportunity which is Public management، business environment
以及可持續發展的經濟機會,即公共管理→商業環境
Infrastructure and rural sectors
基礎設施和農村部門
And then human development which is Welfare، education and health
然後是人的發展,即福利、教育、健康的發展
So it's a broad mix
所以這是一個廣泛的組合
And what we notice is first of all That unfortunately the countries at the bottom
我們注意到的是,首先,不幸的是,最底層的那些國家
Of the 54 African countries Are countries in conflict
在54個非洲國家中,有衝突的國家
That's very simple، it's very clear With Somalia at the bottom
這很簡單,很清楚,索馬里是底層
Secondly، if countries don't have A good balance between those 4
二是如果國家在這四者之間沒有一個很好的平衡。
They may be likely to have difficulties
他們可能會有困難
And interestingly، that happened During the Arab spring
有趣的是,那是發生在阿拉伯之春的事
There were strong economic development To some extent
經濟發展勢頭強勁 在一定程度上
But not participation in rights
但不參與權利
And you had the flare Up of the Arab spring
而你有阿拉伯之春的信號彈。
And we could have predicted it We didn t، but we could have
我們可以預知,但我們可以預知的
Afterwards when we looked To the data
之後,當我們查看數據時
We said we should've been Able to message that
我們說,我們應該能給你發資訊的。
- Gebril، why didn't this region Forecast the Arab spring
- 為什麼這個地區沒有預測到阿拉伯之春?
If you believe it felt juicy And how did governors play a part؟
如果你相信它感覺多汁,以及如何州長髮揮了一定的作用?
- Well، first of all I would like to extend my gratitude and thanks for the invitation
- 首先我想對你的邀請表示感謝,謝謝你的邀請
I would say that because of change of paradigm That took place by the end of the 80s early 90s
我想說的是,因為80年代末90年代初發生的範式的變化
We live in a completely new world
我們生活在一個全新的世界
Ironically enough، societies all over the world Became more globalized
諷刺的是世界各地的社會都變得越來越全球化了
While governments and states، Most of them are a little national
而政府和國家呢 大多數都是有點國家性質的人
And this is really ironic And funny at the same time
這真的很諷刺,同時也很有趣。
If you look at Europe today because of the wave of immigration، immigrants، refugees
如果你看看今天的歐洲,因為移民潮、移民潮、難民潮的影響
They are taking nationalities
他們正在接受國籍
And don't rule out that one of the possibilities
而且不排除其中一種可能。
Like this you know
像這樣你就知道了
On the other hand، Arab societies Are getting connected
另一方面,阿拉伯社會的聯繫越來越緊密
Because the name of the game In the global world is connectivity
因為在全球範圍內,遊戲的名稱是連通性。
With the new expectations Specially the youth
帶著新的期望,特別是年輕人
They have more skills More expectations، more dreams
他們有更多的技能 更多的期望 更多的夢想
The governments faced those uprisings With the old tools، from the industrial age
政府用工業時代的舊工具面對這些起義者
Whether their security systems، Their education systems
無論是安全制度還是教育制度
Their work force Everything is related to the past
他們的勞動力 一切都與過去有關
Therefore، you have 2 options
是以,你有兩個選擇
Governments that do not adapt Themselves to this globalized age
不適應這個全球化時代的政府。
They're going to fail
他們會失敗的
Governments that are not responsive enough To those new dreams of global societies
對全球社會的新夢想反應不足的政府。
I would say، or global individuals in those societies With those new dreams
我想說的是... ...或者說是那些社會中的全球個人... ...帶著那些新的夢想... ...
They're going to fail
他們會失敗的
So the name of the game is Responsiveness in the past
所以,遊戲的名稱是過去的Responsiveness。
Where more inclusiveness Is at heart of everything
在這裡,更多的包容性是一切的核心。
And more adaptation and realignment Of the global society
更多的是對全球社會的適應和調整。
- In your experience Why do governments fail؟
- 根據你的經驗,為什麼政府會失敗?
- In my experience I think that Every government fails sometimes
- 根據我的經驗,我認為每個政府都有失敗的時候。
And have some success some other times
並有一些成功的其他時間
No government can pretend having only successes
沒有一個政府可以假裝只有成功
To try، and try again
要試,再試
Of course success depends very much on The legitimacy that one government may have
當然,成功與否在很大程度上取決於一個政府的合法性。
If you have، as Mahmud Gebril Has mentioned it very rightly
如果你有 正如馬哈茂德-格布里爾所說的那樣
If you have strong institutions coming from history If you have a very cohesive society
如果你有來自歷史的強有力的制度 如果你有一個非常有凝聚力的社會。
It's of course a very strong help
當然,這是一個非常強大的幫助。
Because you can support your work On very very strong tools
因為你可以用非常非常強大的工具來支持你的工作。
But the legitimacy is the key Because if you are able to put forward a strong vision
但合法性是關鍵 因為如果你能提出一個強有力的願景
A long term vision، with strong institutions And if you have، you are able to mobilize
要有長遠的眼光,要有強大的機構 如果你有,你就有能力去調動
Public consent
公開同意
Then of course reforms adaptations Are a lot easier
那當然改革調整就容易多了。
Even a refugee crisis can be solved
即使是難民危機也可以解決
But the big problem is you are very often Not able to fulfill the demand of the people
但最大的問題是,你往往不能滿足人們的需求。
On a short term basis Which is what they ask
短期的,這就是他們的要求。
Look at what happened in Germany for example
看看在德國發生的事情,例如
Angela Merkel has been having A very human reaction to the refugee crisis
默克爾對難民危機的反應很人性化
But of course، problems are there And problems are not easy to solve
但問題當然是存在的,而問題也不是那麼容易解決的
And the numbers are so high One million people coming just in the last year
人數如此之多 僅在去年就有一百萬人來到這裡
This is a huge burden for the German society Even if they have faced reunification
這對德國社會來說是一個巨大的負擔 即使他們已經面臨統一的問題
And have the courage to go for reunification From one that one other
並有勇氣去統一 從一個人到另一個人的統一
One million refugees is of course A big big problem
一百萬難民當然是個大問題了
So you cannot have answers On a short term basis
所以你不可能在短期內得到答案。
And it's difficult to explain With the media pressure
而這很難解釋,因為媒體的壓力太大
With the social networks pressure
隨著社交網絡的壓力
Very difficult to find answers just in One day، one week، one month
很難在一天、一週、一個月內找到答案。
So it takes time، it takes more legitimacy And also it takes new tools
所以需要時間,需要更多的合法性 也需要新的工具
Because new technologies، new challenges You need to adapt constantly yourself
因為新的技術,新的挑戰,你需要不斷地去適應它。
So there's not just one answer At the time
所以當時並不是只有一個答案。
You cannot just say I have a success today
你不能只說我今天成功了
And I will be successful tomorrow
而我明天就會成功
No you need constantly to change And work harder
不,你需要不斷地改變,更加努力地工作
- Been more than 14 minutes then to sort it out Is that what you're telling us right؟
- 已經超過14分鐘,然後整理出來 這是你告訴我們的權利嗎?
Okay، only got 14 minutes We've got less than 30 now
好吧,只有14分鐘,現在只有不到30分鐘了
Miss Younes، your thought
尤小姐,你的想法
- Yeah I'd like to go، move forward Rather than go backwards
- 是啊,我想往前走,而不是往後走!
I think there's a pending danger Which was shake the all the governments
我認為有一個懸而未決的危險,它動搖了所有的政府。
Not just few governments
不僅僅是少數政府
This is the concentration of wealth The way their wealth world is moving
這就是財富的集中,他們的財富世界的發展方向。
The information given to us today 62 people in the world، own more wealth
今天給大家的資料是世界上有62人擁有更多的財富。
Than the bottom half of the population
比最底層的一半人口
6 years back، the number was 388 people Owning more than half the wealth of the population
六年前是388人 擁有超過一半人口的財富
So this number is decreasing And wealth is accumulating
所以這個數字在減少,財富在積累
And we are in the way where one person Will own more than half the wealth of the world
而我們正處於一個人將擁有世界一半以上財富的階段。
This is the direction we're going
這就是我們要去的方向。
Even presidential candidate in the USA Barney Sanders، repeatedly saying
連美國總統候選人桑德斯都多次表示
One tenth of 1% of the US population Own 80% of the wealth of the United States
美國1/10的人口擁有美國80%的財富。
So if you go by country by country This will be a threat
所以如果你逐個國家去看,這將是一個威脅。
Because all we talk about human rights Democracy، freedom of the speech
因為大家都在講人權 民主、言論自由
Everything will be threatened If we cannot stop this
如果我們不能阻止這一切,一切都會受到威脅。
This is a global consensus is needed That we cannot allow this concentration to continue
這是需要全球共識的,我們不能讓這種集中的情況繼續下去。
1% of the population of the world Owning 99% of the wealth of the world، today
佔全球人口1% 擁有全球99%的財富 ■今天
Tomorrow، it will be worse
明天會更嚴重
So that's the danger that we have to see If we have to protect our government
所以,這就是我們必須看到的危險 如果我們要保護我們的政府。
If we have to protect our civilization We cannot allow this to continue
如果我們必須保護我們的文明,我們不能允許這種情況繼續下去
- Whatever the existential pressures Or challenges are Mary
- 無論存在的壓力或挑戰是瑪麗
Muhammad Yunus here pointed out that Inequality is something that the government
穆罕默德-尤努斯在此指出,不平等是指政府
Can do something about
可以做一些事情
What about exclusion، a lack of Social justice، a lack of trust
缺少社會公義,缺少信任怎麼辦?
Consensus and a collective aim for a country How do we rate these things on where to look
共識和一個國家的集體目標 我們如何評價這些東西在哪裡看?
At how you achieve a successful government؟
在你如何實現一個成功的政府?
- Well first of all I do agree with Yunus about the gross inequality
- 首先,我同意尤努斯關於嚴重不平等的觀點。
which is worsening and I think it's really undermining
這是在惡化,我認為它真的破壞了
legitimacy and credibility of the governments and I think
政府的合法性和公信力,我認為這是個好機會。
we have to be conscious of that and it has to be addressed
我們必須意識到這一點,而且必須解決這個問題
- who's going to address that؟ - well، I think it has to be
- 誰來解決這個問題呢?
addressed country by country but also at a level of you know
但也是在你知道的層面上處理的。
The need to understand that cooperate power
需要了解,合作力量
when it becomes power to determine who will win elections
勝負已定
and it's close to that now just abiding of elections
和它的接近,現在只是遵守的選舉
intense money being put in to support candidates
重金助選
despite all the problems in the united states
美國百廢待興
at least there's some evidence of a vibrant response by citizens
至少有一些證據表明市民的反應很活躍
and I think that's to be welcomed but back to your point
我認為這是值得歡迎的,但回到你的觀點。
about the inconclusiveness I think we have to remember
關於不確定性,我想我們要記住的是
that basically business was about a social compact
基本上,商業是關於社會契約
business got the right to incorporate on the bases of you know
企業有權利在你知道的基礎上成立公司。
contributing to human welfare basically and I think we need to remember that
基本上為人類福利做出了貢獻,我認為我們需要記住:
we need to have gender equality and I m very pleased to see
我們需要有性別平等,我很高興地看到。
constant progress in this region particularly in the U.A.E on that
在該區域,特別是在阿拉伯聯合酋長國,在這方面不斷取得進展。
because that's part of inclusion also you know LBT rights
因為那是包容的一部分你也知道LBT的權利。
the gay and lesbian rights I think these are an important
我認為這些都是重要的。
Part of generating real social stability and social contract
形成真正的社會穩定和社會契約的一部分
I m reminded a little bit We were talking about it earlier
我有點想起來了,我們之前說過了
the way in which we got agreement on climate in Paris
我們在巴黎達成氣候協議的方式。
was because the process was more inclusive
是因為該進程更具包容性
the smallest countries felt they were being listened to
小國感到有人在傾聽它們的意見;
the smaller states the least developed countries
小國和最不發達國家
and the target set of well below 2 degrees of warming
和遠低於2度的升溫目標設定
and striving for 1.5 was a better target that we ve
並爭取達到1.5是一個更好的目標,我們已經。
had up till now and will save countries
拯救國家
from going underwater will keep African countries
將使非洲國家不至於被淹沒在水下
from being so buffeted by draught and flooding
風雨飄搖
- that it undermines government - at the beginning of this
there were a number of things that government's can't control
有很多事情是政府無法控制的。
but perhaps I should sort of row back on that
但或許我應該回避一下
to a certain extent because climate change
在一定程度上是因為氣候變化
is something governments can control، and I want to ask
我想請問一下
around the palace just how important you think that is
你認為這有多重要?
to a successful government in the years ahead
在未來的歲月裡,為政府的成功而努力
wars actually governments one single government
戰國策
may not be able to do anything about a war
兵來將擋,水來土掩
somewhere else but together they can
有朋自遠方來,不亦樂乎
let's just start with because I think climate change
讓'的只是開始,因為我覺得氣候變化
is very much in the news Dominique De Villepin
多米尼克-德-維爾潘的新聞非常多。
you're sense of how important that will be as an issue for
你的感覺是多麼的重要,這將是一個問題,對
governments to be successful going forth in the way
政府的成功之路
- they deal with it - I believe that there's a growing
- 他們處理它--我相信,有一個不斷增長的'。
awareness of how important it is because we see everywhere
意識到它的重要性,因為我們隨處可見
in the plant the consequences unfortunately for very poor countries
不幸的是,對於非常貧窮的國家來說,後果是非常嚴重的。
countries like Bangladesh، Maldives they are facing huge challenges
孟加拉、馬爾地夫等國家正面臨著巨大的挑戰
but in every country the U.S، in Europe، we see
但在美國、歐洲的每一個國家,我們都可以看到
every day the consequences of climate change
氣候變化的後果每天都在發生
so I believe there's a growing awareness، cop 21 in Paris
所以我相信大家對巴黎的警察意識越來越強了
was an important momentum of this awareness
是這種意識的重要動力
but there's so much to be done and the problem is how
但有這麼多的事情要做,問題是如何。
are we going to be organized in a way to have foot full agreements
我們是否會以一種方式組織起來,以獲得足額的協議。
and to keep the promises that are being made today
並履行今天的承諾。
for that we need objectives very clear objectives
為此,我們需要目標,非常明確的目標
each country has to contribute everyone has to be part
每個國家都要做出貢獻,每個人都要成為其中一員
of the adventure، rich country less rich country، and poor countries
富國不富,窮國不窮
because that's really something that's going
因為那是真正的東西,''s going
to help understand that we have only one planet
幫助理解我們只有一個星球
and we can't change this planet so this is a link between countries
我們不能改變這個星球,所以這是一個國家之間的聯繫。
it is also a link between generations and I believe that
它也是一代人之間的紐帶,我相信。
young people today are very much aware
今天的年輕人都很清楚
- of the consequences of climate change - Provide us some solutions
- 氣候變化的後果 -- -- 向我們提供一些解決辦法。
Well I would go at two levels strategically at the national level
好吧,我會在國家戰略上分兩個層面去做
for any government it should start by positioning
對於任何一個政府來說,它應該從定位開始
it's economy within the context of the global economy
在全球經濟的背景下,它的經濟。
to discover the competitive edge for that economy
以發現該經濟體的競爭優勢
the moment it discovers that competitive edge
當它發現競爭優勢時
it has an identity for that economy the moment that has been done
它有一個身份的經濟的那一刻,已經完成了。
all the other sub systems should be reconstructed
其他所有子系統都應重新構建。
re-engineering، for instance education، we have moved
以教育為例,我們已經進入了一個新的階段
drastically from axis to knowledge to the management of knowledge
從軸心到知識,再到知識的管理,急劇變化
and today there isn't a single university not only in the region، world wide
到今天為止,不單單是本地區,全世界也沒有一所大學了
that teaches management of knowledge for any government today
為當今任何政府教授知識管理的機構
five skills are very much needed management of complexity
五大技能是非常需要的 複雜性管理
management of creativity and innovation management of uncertainty
創意和創新的管理 不確定性的管理
management of flow of information and management of diversity
信息流的管理和多樣性的管理
- so it's raise your hands - if humans beings yes it is
- 所以,它's舉起你的手-如果人類是的,它是
- I have to go - because I feel the human being
- 我得走了,因為我感覺到了人的存在
Is the most resource besides what you're talking about
是除了你說的最多的資源'。
we mentioned we focused on the young people
我們說過我們的重點是年輕人
particularly، this new generation of young people،
尤其是這一代年輕人
has a lot more potential than we ever had before
比我們以前有更多的潛力。
because of the access to technology a five year old today
因為今天五歲的孩子能接觸到科技。
is more technologically oriented than a 50 year old
比一個50歲的老人更注重技術。
and this will get more and more like that، so there will be mismatch
這樣的情況會越來越多,所以會出現錯位的情況。
between the government and the young generation
政府與年輕一代之間
one of the most important solutions is connecting hearts and minds
最重要的解決方案之一是連接人心。
this is the theme of Dubai expo 2020 this is one of the most difficult goals
這是2020年迪拜世博會的主題 這是一個最困難的目標。
for any government when I was prime minister
在我擔任總理時,為任何政府服務
I wanted to push innovation in france because I knew we have a lot
我想推動法國的創新,因為我知道我們有很多的創新。
of capabilities، a lot of good companies
優秀的公司很多
a lot of good universities but they weren't connected together
有很多好的大學,但他們沒有連接在一起。
so I invented a concept which were centers of competiveness
所以我發明了一個概念,那就是競爭力的中心。
all over France، every region every small region was having a center
全法國每個地區每個小地區都有一箇中心
in which companies were connected with universities
其中公司與大學有聯繫
with experts and everybody working together، young students
專家和大家一起工作,年輕的學生
innovative ideas، so all the country was participating
所以全國都在參與
to one، one big goal and I think at the end of the day
一個大的目標,我想最後的結果是
what makes a young person stay in his country،
是什麼原因讓一個年輕人留在自己的國家?
or comeback to his country، is being proud of being a citizen
或回國是以身為公民為榮
of this country، being aware of the importance
在這個國家裡,意識到這個國家的重要性
of participating that's why I believe leadership
這就是為什麼我相信領導力。
is so important leadership is just trying to find
是如此重要的上司,只是想找到
two، three، four، five objectives which are going to be shared by
二、三、四、五項目標是什麼?
a whole population and which is going to make them
整個人口,並將使他們
- pride to be part of - we'll be remiss if we didn't talk about
- 驕傲的一部分 - 我們將是失職的,如果我們沒有'談論
what is going on in this region particularly the problems of Syria
該區域正在發生的事情,特別是敘利亞問題。
the problems of Libya، Iraq problems of Yemen
利比亞問題--伊拉克問題--葉門問題
the scourge that is ISIS so، it's a tough region at present
因為ISIS是個禍害,所以目前該地區的形勢很嚴峻
what do governments need to do here to ensure success in the face
政府在這裡需要做什麼才能確保成功?
- of such challenges - first of all I would argue
- 首先,我要說的是:
that what took place in the five cases you just mentioned
你剛才提到的五起案件就是如此
was a result of the Arab International Order which came out of World War II
是第二次世界大戰後阿拉伯國際秩序的結果。
I would say most of Arab states have failed miserably in both fields
我想說的是,大多數阿拉伯國家在這兩個領域都很失敗。
development and national integration you know most Arab societies
你知道大多數阿拉伯社會的發展和國家一體化
are mosaic societies composed، demographically speaking،
從人口學角度來說,是馬賽克社會的組成方式
either in terms of ethnic groups in terms of sects، in terms of tribes
或門派
so most of those regimes which have witnessed the Arab spring
所以,那些見證了阿拉伯之春的政權大多都是如此
discovered that maybe tribes and sects and ethnicity can be used as security tools
發現也許部落、教派、民族都可以作為安全的工具。
for the regime by playing tribes against each other
互相殘殺,為政權服務
so when the state fell down during those uprising
所以在起義期間,國破家亡的時候
now the sub nations came out tribe became the name of the game
現在次國家出來了,部落成了遊戲的名字。
sect became the name of the game in societies like Libya
在利比亞等社會,教派成為遊戲的名稱。
we have arms all over the place this is a recipe for civil war، you know
我們到處都有軍火 這是會引起內戰的,你知道嗎?
the other filed where the other Arab state or most of them have failed
其他阿拉伯國家或大多數阿拉伯國家未能做到的其他方面。
the issue of development especially education
發展問題,特別是教育問題
we didn't teach our kids the right knowledge
我們沒有教我們的孩子正確的知識。
today the name of the game is speed knowledge is changing so fast
今天,遊戲的名稱是速度知識的變化是如此之快。
so we need new schools new universities that can cope
所以我們需要新的學校 新的大學,以應付需要
with this speed change those who prevail
急流勇退
are those who are going to be very fast، not those who are very strong
是那些會很快的人,而不是那些很強的人
one of the big problems that I see is a massive one
我看到的一個大問題是一個巨大的問題。
it runs over everything whether you talk about the Middle East
縱橫捭闔
or the region، this region other region
或本區 □本區 □其他區
we built the whole economy of the world in one structure
我們把整個世界的經濟建立在一個結構中。
which is selfishness driven so selfishness runs through
自私自利,自私自在
everything that we do human being have been
我們人類所做的一切都已經
interpreted in such a distorted way
歪曲解釋
that human beings converted into a selfish being
人為財死鳥為食亡。
but real human beings are not selfish that's the exciting thing about us
但真正的人類是不自私的,這是令人興奮的事情關於我們的
is we can move from the selfishness driven economy to human
是我們可以從自私自利的經濟轉向以人為本的經濟。
valued driven economy the selfishness and selflessness
價值驅動型經濟 自私自利型經濟
all these problems will be come into a very different perspective
所有這些問題都會有一個非常不同的角度。
briefly do you institutionalize do you institute
簡要介紹一下你的制度化和制度化
I mean do you make part of a government remit
我的意思是,你把政府的一部分職權範圍。
- and a social business؟ - that's right، that's what I m coming to
- 和社會企業? - 沒錯,這就是我的目的。
So that's the kind of thing The human beings can run
所以這就是人類能做的事情。
both kinds of businesses profit driven maximizing
兩種類型的企業都是利潤驅動型的最大化
profit maximizing business also social business
利益最大化的企業也是社會企業
business exclusively to solve human problems
專為解決人的問題而經營
without having any intention of making penny out of it
不勞而獲
- is it realistic؟ - as a profit
- 是現實的嗎?
It's possible، if you have it inside It will be expressed
只要你心裡有,就有可能表達出來
But the text book doesn t allow you to do that
但課本上不允許你這麼做。
I said why don't accommodate that thing into the text book
我說為什麼不把這個東西容納到課本里呢?
let people decide capitalist system is all about
由人民決定資本主義制度的一切
giving option to people but when it comes to business
給人選擇,但當涉及到商業時
they don't give you option you have to make money
他們不給你選擇 你必須賺錢
so we are all making money and so interesting that we
所以我們都在賺錢,所以有趣的是,我們。
became greedy، we became accumulation of all the wealth
貪婪成性,積少成多
because we want to excel in everything that's the kind of outburst of a thing
因為我們想在所有的事情上都有出色的表現,那是一種爆發的事情。
that we have distorted in us why don't you open it up
我們有扭曲的我們為什麼不打開它。
give people choice so as an individual
讓人們有選擇的餘地,所以作為個人
particularly young people love this idea
尤其是年輕人喜歡這個想法
that yes I can be an instrument my life can be of some help
是的,我可以成為一個工具 我的生活可以得到一些幫助
in changing the world give them a chance
給他們一個改變世界的機會
just changing only thing you have to do
只是改變你唯一要做的事情
is to accommodate this concept into the business world
是將這一理念融入到商業世界中
social business is part of the social world، that's all
社會化商業是社會世界的一部分,就是這樣的
food for thought، and the last word from
的最後一句話
- your guests today Mohamad Younes - thank you
- 你今天的客人穆罕默德-尤尼斯 - 謝謝你。
Mohmood gobriel، Dominique De Villepin
多米尼克-德-維爾潘 (Dominique De Villepin)
And Mary Robertson I hope you enjoyed this
瑪麗-羅伯遜 我希望你能喜歡這本書
As much as I have And thank you very much indeed
和我一樣多,真的很感謝你。