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我們現在就來開始一則突發新聞，

that is that Israel's Defense Minister, Israel Katz, says the secretary of Iran's National Security Council, Ali Larijani, was assassinated in overnight strikes on Iran.

那就是以色列國防部長 Israel Katz 表示，伊朗國家安全委員會的祕書 Ali Larijani 在伊朗發生的夜間襲擊中被暗殺了。

Ali Larijani was a former nuclear negotiator for Iran and a close ally of the late Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who was killed on the first day of this war.

Ali Larijani 曾是伊朗的核談判代表，也是已故最高領袖 Ayatollah Ali Khamenei 的親密盟友，而他（Khamenei）在這場戰爭的第一天就已經被殺害了。

Israeli media are reporting that Larry Johnny was attacked with his son in a hideout apartment.

以色列媒體報導說 Larry Johnny 和他的兒子在一個藏匿處公寓裡遭到攻擊。

Straight now to our Middle east correspondent Yolande Nell in Jerusalem.

現在直接連線我們在中東的特派記者 Yolande Nell，她在耶路撒冷。

What more have we been hearing from Israel?

我們從以色列那邊還聽到了什麼消息嗎？

Katz YOLAND so this was just a short statement that Israel Cats put out, basically confirming that Ali Larajani had been eliminated and saying that he and the Israeli prime minister had instructed the Israeli military to, in his words, continue hunting down the Iranian leadership.

Katz Yolande，這只是以色列軍方 Israel Cats 發布的一份簡短聲明，基本上證實了 Ali Larijani 已經被清除，並且表示他和以色列總理已經訓示以色列軍方，用他的話來說，要繼續追捕伊朗領導層。

And already we had had it said by an Iranian military official that Ali La Rajani had been targeted overnight.

而且我們已經聽到一位伊朗軍方官員說，Ali La Rajani 在夜間已經遭到鎖定。

He was the secretary of the National Security Council, so a very powerful figure in Iran and also somebody who was internationally well known.

他是國家安全委員會的祕書，所以在伊朗是一個非常有權勢的人物，而且在國際上也很有名。

So if this is completely confirmed, it would be the most senior figure in Iran to confirm to have been killed since the Supreme Leader on the first day of the war.

所以如果這消息完全屬實，他將是以色列開戰第一天最高領袖以來，伊朗被證實擊殺的最高級別人物。

He is somebody who was a close ally of the late supreme Leader and is believed to have become more powerful in the past two weeks, of course, in the late supreme leader's absence, with his son chosen to take over from him.

他曾是已故最高領袖的親密盟友，而且據信在過去兩週內變得更加強勢，當然，在已故最高領袖缺席的情況下，他的兒子被選來接替他。

He was seen in public justice last Friday at the Quds Day rallies that were taking place in Tehran, going around talking to people in the crowd, supporters of the regime.

他上週五在德黑蘭舉行的聖城日集會上公開露面，與人群中的政權支持者交談。

He was somebody who had been a negotiator on the nuclear issues for Iran.

他曾是伊朗核議題的談判代表。

So he was well known on the international stage for really that reason.

所以他是以在國際舞臺上廣為人知。

And Iranian state media had interestingly said that they were going to publish a message from Ali La Rajani, but

而且伊朗國家媒體有趣的是說，他們將會發表一份來自 Ali La Rajani 的訊息，但是

all that has come out on the state news agency is a handwritten note from him about the funeral of some Iranian naval soldiers.

國家新聞社發布的，只有他寫的一張關於一些伊朗海軍阿兵哥葬禮的手寫筆記。

So we certainly haven't had any confirmation coming from that direction that he is still alive.

所以我們當然沒有從那個方向得到任何他還活著的確認。

We've also been hearing, haven't we, from the Israelis, the Israeli Defense Minister, Israel Katz, saying that Israel will continue hunting down Iran's leaders.

我們也聽到了，對吧，來自以色列人，以色列國防部長 Israel Katz 的說法，以色列將會繼續追捕伊朗的領導人。

That's been something we've heard before as well, isn't it, Yolande Indeed.

這我們之前也聽過對吧，Yolande，沒錯。

And it's also been announced today by the Israeli military that they have killed the commander of the besieged paramilitary force, part of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Colum Reza Soleimani.

而且今天以色列軍方也宣佈，他們已經擊斃了被圍困的準軍事部隊指揮官，這是伊朗革命衛隊的一員，Colum Reza Soleimani。

It's been said that he was attacked while in a tent that he was using with other commanders of that force, which was very prominent recently putting down the protests in Iran, and

據說他當時正在一個帳篷裡，和該部隊的其他指揮官一起，這個部隊最近在鎮壓伊朗的抗議活動中非常活躍，當時他受到了攻擊，

that they have been using that sort of temporary base because of the destruction by Israel and the US of their other bases in Tehran and around the country.

他們之所以使用這種臨時基地，是因為以色列和美國摧毀了他們在德黑蘭和全國各地的其他基地。

Yolande, thank you very much indeed for that.

Yolande Nell there, who is bringing us the very latest from Jerusalem.

Yolande Nell，她正在為我們帶來耶路撒冷的最新消息。

Well, let's just take you now to speak to Ali Viez.

好的，現在我們就來連線採訪 Ali Viez。

Ali Vaez is from International Crisis Group.

他是伊朗專家，現在加入我們的行列。

Ali, can I just ask you first of all to give me an update, if you can, on what more we know about Ali Lara?

Ali，我能不能先請你更新一下，如果你知道的話，關於 Ali Lara 的更多消息？

Johnny, how significant is this if he has indeed been assassinated?

Johnny，如果他真的被暗殺了，這有多重要？

It is a very significant development, Maryam, because he was basically running the country under the current circumstances.

這是一個非常重大的發展，Maryam，因為在目前的情況下，他基本上是掌管著國家。

He was a former speaker of Parliament, former national security adviser, and

他曾是國會議長、前國家安全顧問，

was returned to this position as a national security Advisor after the 12 day war last year.

並且在去年的12天戰爭後，重新被任命為國家安全顧問。

He comes from a clerical family and has deep connections to the Revolutionary Guards and was indeed running the war effort along with Mohammad Bagar Khali Baf, the speaker of the parliament.

他出身於神職人員家庭，與革命衛隊關係深厚，並且確實與國會議長 Mohammad Bagar Khali Baf 一起領導著戰爭行動。

So if indeed he has been eliminated, it's another major setback for the Iranian leadership.

所以，如果他真的被清除，這對伊朗領導層來說是又一個重大的挫折。

But it doesn't mean that it would create a political vacuum.

但這並不意味著會造成政治真空。

I think Ghaliba will probably gain more power.

我認為 Ghaliba 可能會獲得更多權力。

And the more Israel continues to shave off the top layer of Iranian leadership, the more likely it is that these experienced, more pragmatic people will be replaced by more hot headed radical Revolutionary Guards commanders.

以色列越是持續清除伊朗領導層的頂尖人物，這些有經驗、較務實的人就越有可能被更衝動激進的革命衛隊指揮官取代。

So you don't think this is necessarily a victory for Israel and the US in terms of moving the regime away from power?

所以你不認為這對以色列和美國來說，在讓政權下臺方面，是一個必然的勝利嗎？

Not necessarily, because at the end of the day, what keeps the regime in power at home is the repressive apparatus of the Revolutionary Guards, which seems to remain fully in control of the internal sphere.

不一定，因為歸根究柢，讓這個政權維持國內統治的，是革命衛隊的鎮壓機器，他們似乎完全掌控著國內局勢。

And they have literally several hundred thousand if not millions of men under arms, whereas the Iranian people are unarmed and unorganized.

而且他們有數十萬甚至數百萬的武裝人員，而伊朗人民卻手無寸鐵、毫無組織。

So there is definitely a imbalance in terms of monopoly of force inside the country.

所以國內的武力壟斷確實存在很大的不平衡。

And what gets basically the system to stay on its feet and continue punching back is again the Revolutionary Guards leadership.

而讓這個體系得以維持並持續反擊的，又是革命衛隊的領導層。

And there are several layers of succession that were put in place for every commander.

而且他們為每一位指揮官都設立了好幾層的繼承人選。

And so the Iranian system is not just deeply entrenched, it's also deeply benched.

所以伊朗的體系不僅根深蒂固，也盤根錯節。

Is it so deeply entrenched that this type of warfare will find it impossible to make any changes within the regime because that's what a lot of analysts have been telling me.

它是否根深蒂固到這種戰爭模式會發現，要改變政權內部是完全不可能的，因為很多分析師都是這麼告訴我的。

They've been telling me 47 years of entrenchment means that you don't just destroy this regime from the sky in this way.

他們告訴我，四十七年的根深蒂固，意味著你無法這樣從天上摧毀這個政權。

Without boots on the ground, it's very hard to imagine how you can loosen the grip of a regime like this on power.

沒有地面部隊的話，很難想像要如何能削弱像這樣的政權的權力掌握。

This is why in other cases in Iraq, there were American boots on the ground.

這就是為什麼在伊拉克的其他情況下，有美軍的地面部隊。

In Afghanistan or in Libya or in Syria, at the end of the day, you needed to have a mixture of indigenous and foreign boots on the ground.

在阿富汗、利比亞或敘利亞，最終還是需要有當地部隊和外國部隊的混合地面部隊。

In the case of Iran, I think it's quite similar to the conclusions that President Trump came to in Venezuela, that he understood that the regime is really entrenched and hard to remove at a low cost.

在伊朗的情況下，我認為這跟川普總統在委內瑞拉得出的結論很像，他明白這個政權真的根深蒂固，而且很難低成本地推翻。

And so he decided to make a deal with some elements of the system.

所以他決定跟體系中的一些派系達成協議。

Now, elimination of people like Larijani would make any kind of settlement in the future after this war is over that much more difficult because you're left with people who don't have that kind of long experience in statecraft and are probably much more radicalized than their predecessors.

現在，像 Larry Johnny 這樣的人被清除，會讓戰爭結束後的未來任何形式的解決方案都變得更加困難，因為你剩下的人沒有那樣長期的治國經驗，而且可能比他們的前任更加激進。

Let's talk now a little bit about the US And Israel and the way in which they have conducted this war.

我們現在來談談美國和以色列，以及他們進行這場戰爭的方式。

We heard from President Trump, didn't we, Ali, saying, look, I didn't know that the Iranians would widen this war into a regional conflict.

我們聽川普總統說過，對吧，Ali，他說，看，我不知道伊朗人會把這場戰爭擴大成地區衝突。

I didn't know, he said a couple of times when asked.

他說，他被問到時說了好幾次。

But the truth is, isn't it, Ali, that Iran was very clear that this is what they would do if attacked again by the U.S.

但事實是，Ali，伊朗已經很清楚，如果再次遭到美國攻擊，他們就會這麼做。

Look, the former Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei had openly said that any attack on Iran would result in a regional war.

其實，前任最高領袖 Ayatollah Ali Khamenei 曾公開表示，任何對伊朗的攻擊都會導致地區戰爭。

The Iranians had conducted drills on how to close the Strait of Hormuz.

伊朗人已經進行了關閉荷姆茲海峽的演習。

Even we know General Kaine had told the President that this is the likeliest scenario that would happen.

連我們都知道 Kaine 將軍告訴過總統，這就是最可能發生的情況。

Former American officials who were fired in this administration because, not because of their expertise, but

在這屆政府中被解僱的前美國官員，不是因為他們的專業知識，而是

because of their lack of loyalty or perceived loyalty to this administration, had written about this publicly.

因為他們對這屆政府缺乏忠誠或被認為缺乏忠誠，他們曾公開寫過這件事。

Everybody, all the GOLF leaders had warned the president that this is the likely outcome.

各位，所有 GOLF 的領導人都警告過總統，這就是可能的結果。

So I don't think it was really lack of knowledge or comprehension, but

所以我不認為是知識或理解能力不足，而是

this honestly hubris and belief in the fact that with the US Military might, the president would be able to always get what he wants at a low cost in a kind of high impact, highly impressive outcomes that nobody expects because nobody has dared to do the things that could be risky.

這種誠實的傲慢以及相信憑藉美國軍事力量，總統總能以低成本獲得他想要的，並帶來令人印象深刻、出乎意料的結果，因為沒有人敢冒險做這些事。

And Ali, as we watch the live scene in Beirut, another explosion caused by Israeli attacks.

Ali，當我們看到貝魯特的現場畫面時，又發生了以色列攻擊引起的爆炸。

I want to focus a little bit, I guess on what Israel's intentions are here.

我想稍微聚焦一下，我想是關於以色列在這裡的意圖。

Because as we see here from these live pictures, Israel is fighting this war on two fronts against Iran backed Hezbollah in Lebanon, but

因為從這裡的現場畫面我們可以看到，以色列正在黎巴嫩與伊朗支持的真主黨進行兩線作戰，

also inside Iran as well, targeting those leaders, targeting what it says is military infrastructure.

同時也在伊朗境內，鎖定那些領導人，鎖定它所說的軍事基礎設施。

Do the end desires of Israel and the US in terms of what they want from this war, do they align, do you think?

以色列和美國對於這場戰爭的期望，兩者之間是否一致，你覺得呢？

I'm not sure from what we see, even the assassination of Larry Johnny, whether it's successful or not.

我不太確定從我們看到的，甚至是 Larry Johnny 的暗殺事件，是否成功。

But also all the other key political decapitations that have happened in Iran have been done by Israel, mostly not by the US and you see that Israel is going basically after any state institution with a flag on it which indicates that Israel is after dismantling the Iranian state.

但伊朗境內所有其他的關鍵政治人物被清除，也都是以色列做的，大部分不是美國做的，你會看到以色列基本上是針對任何有國旗的國家機構下手，這顯示以色列是要瓦解伊朗國家。

Whereas you know, President Trump has in the past talked about his reluctance to do regime change in that part of the world.

然而，你知道的，川普總統過去曾談到他不願意在那一地區進行政權更迭。

He's talked about possibility of regime transformation, Venezuela model.

他曾談到政權轉型的可能性，委內瑞拉模式。

He doesn't seem to be really that interested going for some sort of a fundamental risky change.

他似乎對進行某種根本性的冒險改變並不真正感興趣。

But as for Israel, I think any outcome in which Iran is neutralized as a regional adversary is fine.

但對以色列來說，我認為任何能讓伊朗作為區域對手的威脅被消除的結果都可以接受。

If Iran descends into civil strife, if this regime is replaced by a weaker regime that is unable to project power beyond Iran's borders, if magically Iran goes back to pre1979 status quo, anti whatever comes is fine for Israel.

如果伊朗陷入內亂，如果這個政權被一個較弱、無法將力量投射到伊朗邊界以外的政權取代，如果伊朗奇蹟般地回到1979年之前的現狀，任何隨之而來的都對以色列有利。

Whereas I think the President simply wanted to get some sort of a deal with Iran and pretend that he has resolved the problem that has remained so elusive for so many administration over so many years.

不過，我認為總統只是想跟伊朗達成某種協議，然後假裝他解決了這麼多年來許多政府都無法解決的問題。

Ali, let me ask you, I mean you're the Iran Project Director at Crisis Group.

Ali，我能問你嗎？你是 Crisis Group 的伊朗計畫主任。

You've been looking into Iran obviously for so many years.

I wonder if you can give me a final assessment of where we are and what you think about that.

我想知道你是否能給我一個最終的評估，以及你對此有什麼看法。

Look, Mariam, I don't think regime change is possible through the sole use of air power and without a viable organized alternative inside the country.

Mariam，我不認為單靠空襲就能實現政權更迭，而且國內也沒有一個可行的有組織的替代方案。

So this is a regime that is going to fight to the last drop of blood and is going to leave behind a scorched country and a scorched region.

所以這個政權會戰鬥到最後一滴血，並留下一個焦土般的國家和地區。

And the United States does not have the patience, the discipline, the strategy to be able to build this region back better.

美國沒有耐心、紀律或策略來重建這個地區。

So the longer this war goes on, the higher the risks and the costs for everyone.

所以這場戰爭拖得越久，對大家來說風險和成本就越高。

I think time has come for a ceasefire, but that is not going to create a stable situation.

我認為現在是時候停火了，但這不會創造一個穩定的局面。

We then have to figure out some sort of a soft landing, which would require patient diplomacy in order to not just address the problems with Iran.

我們必須想辦法達成某種「軟著陸」，這需要耐心的外交手段，不僅要處理伊朗的問題。

Obviously, the Gulf countries now have a long list of grievances as well, but

顯然，海灣國家現在也有很多抱怨，但是

also to try to put the Iranian people in a better position to be able to determine their own future without bringing down the entire house on their head.

也要試圖讓伊朗人民處於一個更好的位置，讓他們能夠決定自己的未來，而不是讓整個國家一起毀滅。

Ali Viez, Iran project director and senior adviser at International Crisis Group, thank you so much for joining us.

伊朗危機組織的伊朗計畫總監兼資深顧問 Ali Viez，非常感謝你加入我們。

It's been really important to get your analysis today, given the breaking news.

鑑於突發新聞，今天能得到你的分析非常重要。