Name: 如何學會兩種語言，又不讓大腦爆炸？！🧠✨ (How to learn 2 languages without breaking your brain)
Uploaded: 2026-03-06T21:48:50.000Z
Duration: 12 min 5 s

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And I was like, what on earth is going on?

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Because my Spanish was really strong, but now my Portuguese is just completely messing with it.

因為我西班牙語很強，但現在我的葡萄牙語完全把我的西班牙語搞亂了。

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Good morning, everybody, and welcome back to the StoryLearning podcast.

各位早安，歡迎回到 StoryLearning 學習故事的 Podcast。

And today's question is all about this probably the most asked about topic in the history, the more than 10 year history of this, this podcast.

而今天的問題，是關於這個 podcast 十幾年歷史中，大概是最多人問的問題。

And it's all about learning two languages without breaking your brain.

這一切都是關於如何在不燒壞大腦的情況下學習兩種語言。

I think so many of us who get into language learning, like, we just want to learn tons of languages, right?

我覺得很多我們這些投入語言學習的人，都想學很多很多語言，對吧？

And, and so we often find ourselves in the position of studying two languages at once.

然後，我們常常發現自己同時學習兩種語言。

And then we realize, hang on, this is creating a few problems because what happens is we get a bit muddled up, don't we?

然後我們就會發現，等等，這好像造成了一些問題，因為我們有點搞混了，對吧？

And we can make progress in one and lose the other and then make progress in the other and lose.

然後我們可能會在一種語言上進步，卻又在另一種語言上退步，然後又在另一種語言上進步，卻又在第一種語言上退步。

So today's question comes from Lisa, and Lisa asks, I have a question about learning two Romance languages.

所以今天的問題是來自 Lisa，Lisa 問我，關於學習兩種羅曼語族語言，我有一個問題。

I've been learning French for about 10 years.

your books catapulted me out of the beginner space into intermediate and conversational fluency.

你的書把我從初學者階段，直接推向了中級和會話流利。

After about five years of basic French, I added Italian into the mix.

在學了大概五年基礎法文之後，我加入了義大利文。

I can read in both and I'm using AI for speaking, but

我兩種語言都能讀，而且我用 AI 來練習口說，但是

the effort of suppression is making speaking difficult.

Any tips for real time language suppression in French when speaking Italian?

講義大利文時，法文的即時壓抑有沒有什麼建議？

Well, Lisa, thank you very much for your question.

好的，Lisa，非常感謝你的問題。

I think everyone who has tried learning two languages has experienced something similar.

我覺得每個嘗試學習兩種語言的人都經歷過類似的事情。

And you probably know my position on this because I've talked about it so many times, which is that, like, just generally speaking, you want to avoid learning two languages at the same time because the depth of focus is so key with language learning.

你大概也知道我的立場，因為我說過很多次了，那就是，總的來說，你應該避免同時學習兩種語言，因為專注的深度對語言學習來說非常關鍵。

It's much better to learn one language first to a high level.

最好是先學一種語言到很高的程度。

And then once you're really solid in one language, which we would normally consider to be like a B2 or upper intermediate level, then you can start learning another language and you can have a much better time of it because you can focus on the new language and you're not going to forget your old language, right?

一旦你在一種語言上真的非常紮實，我們通常會認為是 B2 或中高級程度，然後你就可以開始學習另一種語言，這樣你會過得更愉快，因為你可以專注於新語言，而且你也不會忘記舊的語言，對吧？

But your question is, how do you stop it interfering?

但你的問題是，要怎麼阻止它互相干擾？

所以你已經學了法文，Lisa，然後

I'm going to guess you're at a pretty good level because you've been learning for 10 years and you're learning French and Italian, which are two very, very similar languages.

我猜你的程度應該很不錯，因為你學了十年，而且你學的是法文和義大利文，這兩種語言非常非常相似。

And I remember learning French and then in My case, it was French and then Spanish.

我記得學法文，然後在我那時候，是法文然後是西班牙文。

I'll be speaking Spanish and then a French word will come out, like almost without thinking about it.

我會講西班牙文，然後一個法文單字就會跑出來，幾乎是下意識的。

And it's really frustrating because you, you want to, you're learning the new language and you know the word, but

這真的很令人沮喪，因為你，你想，你正在學新語言，你也知道那個單字，但是

So I was looking at some of the research and it's absolutely fascinating here.

所以我查了一些研究，這裡的研究內容真的非常引人入勝。

So this is from the Journal of memory and language, volume one to eight, 2023, and

這是來自《記憶與語言期刊》，第一二八期，二零二三年的，

it's from a paper called Interference between Non Native Languages During Trilingual Language Production.

這是一篇叫做「三語語言產生的非母語語言之間的幹擾」的論文。

As basically, when you're speaking three languages, like, what gets in the way of what?

基本上，當你講三種語言的時候，什麼東西會干擾什麼呢？

他們研究了三語使用者，對吧？

So they studied people who spoke Spanish, Basque and English, and English, French and Spanish.

所以他們研究了講西班牙語、巴斯克語和英語，以及英語、法語和西班牙語的人。

And they did this fascinating speed naming task to assess interference across languages.

他們進行了一項引人入勝的快速命名任務，來評估跨語言的幹擾。

So they asked them to name simple words in different languages quickly to see what would happen.

他們請他們快速說出不同語言的簡單單字，看看會發生什麼事。

And what they found was that when you're speaking another language, you get a lot more interference from your other foreign language than you do from your native language.

他們發現，當你講另一種語言時，你的其他外語會比你的母語帶來更多幹擾。

So let's say that in this case, Lisa, you're learning French and Italian and you're starting to learn Italian, you're going to have a lot more problems in your Italian coming from your French than from your English.

所以，假設在這個例子中，Lisa，你正在學習法語和義大利語，而你開始學義大利語，你的義大利語會比你的英語遇到更多來自法語的問題。

So it's the L3 that's interfering with the L2 or the L2 that's interfering with the L3.

所以是第三語言幹擾第二語言，或是第二語言幹擾第三語言。

This paper also showed that trilinguals inhibited their L1 more strongly than their L3, meaning that it's a lot easier for you if you're speaking Italian, Lisa.

這篇論文也顯示，三語者對母語的抑制比對第三語言更強，這表示，Lisa，如果你在講義大利語，會容易很多。

It's a lot easier for you to suppress your English and not use English.

你會比較容易壓抑住你的英語，不要使用英語。

Like, it's a lot easier for you to do that.

You can keep your English out of your Italian, but

你可以讓你的英語不影響你的義大利語，但是

you can't keep your French out of your Italian.

你無法讓你的法語不影響你的義大利語。

And this has been proven by research, which is also my experience.

這點也經過研究證實，這也是我的經驗。

So I like the time that I noticed this most acutely was when I had learned, by this point I'd learned French and Spanish and Portuguese.

所以我最清楚注意到這點的時間，是我已經學會了法語、西班牙語和葡萄牙語。

My Spanish, I got to a very good level because I spent a lot of time in Spain.

我的西班牙語，我達到了一個非常好的程度，因為我在西班牙待了很長的時間。

Then I learned Portuguese and I spent like best part of a year in Brazil.

然後我學了葡萄牙語，而且我在巴西待了將近一年。

所以我的葡萄牙語變得非常流利。

And Portuguese is very similar to Spanish now.

而且現在葡萄牙語跟西班牙語非常像。

I remember coming back from Brazil to London, where I had a lot of friends from all over the place.

我記得我從巴西回到倫敦，那時候我在倫敦有很多來自各地的朋友。

And I would go and I would see my Spanish speaking friends and I would be speaking to them in Spanish.

我會去找我的西班牙語朋友，然後跟他們講西班牙語。

And it was, it was a complete disaster because I was like speaking Spanish, but

結果完全是一場災難，因為我講著西班牙語，

I couldn't get the Portuguese grammar out of my head.

我就是沒辦法把葡萄牙語的文法從腦袋裡抽離。

Because my Spanish was really strong, but now, like, my Portuguese is just completely messing with it.

因為我的西班牙語很強，但現在，我的葡萄牙語整個把西班牙語搞亂了。

And, and it's just, it was completely disorientating.

Now, luckily, because of the environment that I was in, I was able to spend a lot of time in environments where I had friends from South America, Spain and Brazil, meaning that Spanish and Portuguese were being used all the time.

幸運的是，因為我當時的環境，我有很多機會跟來自南美、西班牙和巴西的朋友相處，這意味著西班牙語和葡萄牙語總是會被使用到。

And so what that enabled me to do was to be constantly using both Spanish and Portuguese at the same time in the same evening with the same people.

這讓我可以在同一個晚上，跟同一群人，同時使用西班牙語和葡萄牙語。

And so I was able to train myself to separate the languages.

所以我能夠訓練自己把這兩種語言分開。

Now when I think about, like, how I did that, it was, I think, a combination of very.

現在回想起來，我是怎麼做到的，我認為，這是一種結合了非常...

There was a lot of conscious effort involved at first, but eventually, I'll tell you what it was.

一開始需要很多刻意的努力，但最後，我會告訴你那是什麼。

By using both at the same time, it was almost like learning another language.

同時使用這兩種語言，感覺就像在學另一種語言。

Actually, it was almost like learning a fourth language.

其實，感覺就像在學第四種語言。

And that fourth language was the ability to keep these languages separate in my mind.

而這第四種語言，就是我能夠在腦袋裡把這些語言分開的能力。

And over, over the weeks and the months, I developed the ability to do this.

隨著時間一天天過去，幾個星期、幾個月後，我發展出了這種能力。

And I'll tell you what was at the root of it, like, when I managed to do it eventually, like, I got to a point eventually where I could, I could swap from Spanish to Portuguese.

而且我會告訴你，這一切的根源是什麼，就像，當我最終成功的時候，就像，我最終達到了一個點，我可以，我可以從西班牙語切換到葡萄牙語。

And I was almost without error, without interference at all.

而且我幾乎沒有出錯，也沒有任何干擾。

And, and it was 100% an identity question that allowed me to do it.

而且，而且這完全是一個身份認同的問題，讓我能夠做到這一點。

So in my mind I would be okay, I'm Brazilian now and then I'm Spanish now and I'm Brazilian now.

所以在我腦海裡，我會想，好吧，我現在是巴西人，然後我現在是西班牙人，然後我現在是巴西人。

And almost like from one sentence to the next, like, Brazilian person speaks to me like a Portuguese switch, like a Brazilian identity switch flicks in my brain, like, I'm speaking to you in Portuguese now someone else is speaking to me in Spanish from that corner again, flick the switch on Spanish now.

而且幾乎就像從一句話到下一句話，就像，一個巴西人跟我說話，就像一個葡萄牙語的開關，就像一個巴西的身份認同開關在我腦中 flick，就像，我現在在用葡萄牙語跟你說話，另一個人從那個角落又用西班牙語跟我說話，然後 flick 到西班牙語的開關。

And I was able to associate the language with that identity.

而且我能夠將語言與該身份認同聯繫起來。

And that was enough to kind of bucket that language for me.

而這對我來說，就足以將該語言歸類了。

Now, I can't fully explain how or why that works, but I just know that it can.

現在，我無法完全解釋它是如何或為何奏效的，但我只知道它可以。

And I think that this is kind of where a goal that you can end up with languages when you get to a level of very, very high competence, which is that your identity becomes that language and that culture and the words in your brain become associated with that.

而且我認為這就是當你達到非常非常高的熟練程度時，你最終可能會擁有的目標，那就是你的身份認同變成了那種語言和那種文化，以及你腦中的詞語都與之相關聯。

Now, I'm not like natively bilingual I grew up speaking English Till I was 19 years old.

現在，我並不是天生就會說兩種語言，我從小到大說英語直到 19 歲。

I wonder if for bilingual people that that's the same thing, because like all the bilingual people that I know who are bilingual from birth, I don't notice any interference from them.

我很好奇，對於天生就會說兩種語言的人來說，是不是也是這樣，因為我認識的所有天生就會說兩種語言的人，我從來沒發現他們有什麼語言幹擾。

It's my impression that they have the language very, very clearly separated in their mind.

我的印象是，他們在腦中把語言分得很、很清楚。

They're never going to be speaking, like, Spanish and then Italian comes out.

他們絕對不會說著西班牙語，然後跑出義大利語。

It doesn't happen because they're so competent at it.

這是因為他們對語言太熟練了，所以不會發生這種事。

I suspect that they feel such a strong identity between the language and that part of their life or their experience, like whether their mother was French and their father was Spanish.

我懷疑他們覺得語言和他們生活的那一部分或經歷有很強的連結，像是他們的媽媽是法國人，爸爸是西班牙人。

That identity piece is so strong that they're able to kind of slot the language neatly into that identity.

那個身份認同的部分非常強大，所以他們能夠很巧妙地將語言融入那個身份認同裡。

And you don't get that much bleeding between the two.

而這兩者之間不會有太多的混淆。

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