Name: 川普開除諾姆是「政治上受歡迎」的舉動！ (Enten: Trump firing Noem was the 'politically popular' move)
Uploaded: 2026-03-06T16:40:37.000Z
Duration: 16 min 7 s

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We said there was a proximate cause there, apparently this ad campaign.

我們說那裡有一個近因，顯然是這個廣告活動。

But there were some other things going on, right?

但還有其他一些事情發生，對吧？

Yeah, there were a lot of other things going on.

是的，還有很多其他事情發生。

She was a political nightmare for the President of the United States.

她對美國總統來說是一場政治噩夢。

希望 Noem 被撤換為國土安全部部長。

Overall last month, Quinnipiac University found the majority of Americans, 58%, wanted her to be.

總體來說，上個月 Quinnipiac University 發現，大多數美國人，58%，希望她被如此對待。

Among independents, you can see it right here.

在中間選民的部分，你可以直接看這裡。

62% of independents, we're talking more than three in five independents, wanted to kick her to the curb.

62% 的中間選民，也就是超過五分之三的中間選民，希望 kick to the curb。

So Donald Trump here making the politically popular move because Americans were, simply put, sick of Kristi Noem.

所以唐納·川普在這裡做了一個政治上受歡迎的舉動，因為美國人，簡單來說，已經受夠了 Kristi Noem。

This was well before this testimony that was so controversial.

這是在這場備受爭議的證詞之前很久就發生了。

All right, how about her approval rating?

對，她的支持率是怎麼變動的？

Look, the idea that Kristi Noem is unpopular is not a new phenomenon.

看看，Kristi Noem 不受歡迎這個想法並不是新鮮事。

It's one that has dated all the way back to the beginning of Trump's second term.

這是在川普第二任期剛開始時就發生的事了。

說真的，我們就來看一下這裡。

Ok. Kristi Noem's net popularity rating during Donald Trump's term.

好的。川普執政期間，Kristi Noem 的淨人氣評分。

正面的數字是零，沒有，一點都沒有。

None of the polls did she have a positive net approval rating in all of the polls.

在所有民調中，她都沒有正面的淨支持率。

She was underwater, swimming in the deep blue sea.

她是負面的，就像在大海裡游泳一樣。

She had a negative net popularity rating in every single poll conducted during Donald Trump's second term.

在川普第二任期的所有民調中，她的淨人氣評分都是負的。

Simply put, Americans did not like the job that she was doing as DHS secretary.

簡單來說，美國人民不喜歡她擔任國土安全部部長的工作。

And recently, the clear majority of Americans, about 3 and 5, wanted her kicked to the curb, fired, as I said, by Donald Trump.

而最近，絕大多數美國人，大約有五分之三，希望川普把她 kick to the curb，開除她。

So again, Trump doing what the American people wanted him to do.

所以，川普又做了美國人民希望他做的事。

You talk about her job as Secretary of Homeland Security.

你說她擔任國土安全部部長的工作。

The immigration efforts that the President has been pushing, in theory, largely fall under Homeland Security's umbrella.

總統一直推動的移民政策，理論上大部分都屬於國土安全部的職責範圍。

How has that effort been greeted by the American people lately?

那這些努力最近受到美國人民的歡迎嗎？

Yeah, this idea that Donald Trump could somehow contain Kristi Noem to just, you know, her own little part of the world.

是的，這種唐納·川普可以把克里斯蒂·諾姆 (Kristi Noem)限制在她自己的小世界裡的說法。

Kristi was hurting Donald Trump in office on his key, one of his key top issues that got him elected President of the United States.

克里斯蒂在川普擔任總統期間，在他的關鍵、他當選美國總統的其中一個重要議題上，對他造成了傷害。

I mean, just take a look at Trump's net approval rating on immigration.

我想，我們只要看看川普在移民議題上的淨支持率。

You go back a little bit over a year ago.

But again, down he goes in large part because Kristi Noem's efforts.

但又因為 Kristi Noem 的努力，他的支持率又下滑了。

Minus 17 points on the net approval rating on a key issue for Donald Trump, one that got him elected to a second term.

在川普的關鍵議題上，也就是讓他成功連任的議題上，淨支持率是 minus 17 points。

And among independents, he went from plus three net approval on immigration all the way down to minus 30 points.

而在中間選民的部分，他在移民議題上的淨支持率從 plus three 跌到了 minus 30 points。

On a key issue that independents had trusted Donald Trump on over Kamala Harris and Kristi Noem's efforts, simply put, killed crushed Donald Trump on such a key issue for him.

在一個中間選民曾經信任川普、勝過 Kamala Harris 和 Kristi Noem 的關鍵議題上，簡單來說，這件事徹底擊垮了川普。

The president's going to nominate Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.

總統將會提名奧克拉荷馬州參議員 Mark Wayne Mullen。

If he is confirmed, that means there will be an open Senate seat in Oklahoma.

如果他被確認，這意味著奧克拉荷馬州將會有一個懸缺的參議院席位。

It will be filled for a time being, but it will be on the ballot in November.

暫時會有人填補，但會在十一月的選票上。

What are the chances that Republicans hold that seat?

共和黨人能保住這個席位的機率有多高？

Yeah, I think the best part of Trump nominating Mark Wayne Mullen for this seat is, you know, if you nominated somebody from, let's say, a purple state, there might be the chance the Republicans could lose that race.

是的，我認為川普提名 Mark Wayne Mullen 擔任這個職位最棒的地方是，你知道的，如果你提名一個來自，假設是個搖擺州的人，共和黨人或許還有機會輸掉那場競選。

Prediction markets chance of GOP wins the Oklahoma Senate race in 2026.

預測市場顯示共和黨在 2026 年奧克拉荷馬州參議院競選中獲勝的機率。

David Boren was the last Democrat elected from Oklahoma, and that was all the way back in 1990.

David Boren 是最後一位從奧克拉荷馬州選出的民主黨人，那是在 1990 年。

Oklahoma is a red state and will continue to be red.

奧克拉荷馬州是個紅州，未來也會持續是紅州。

Noem has been on thin ice after multiple issues, including, of course, the shooting deaths of two U.S.

Noem 在多起事件後一直處於危險邊緣，包括，當然，在明尼阿波利斯移民鎮壓行動中造成兩名美國

citizens during immigration crackdowns in Minneapolis.

But sources say the final straw was her testimony this week on Capitol Hill.

不過消息指出，壓垮駱駝的最後一根稻草是她這週在國會山的證詞。

Senator John Kennedy says the president was, quote, pissed after Noem testified that he approved a $220 million Homeland Security ad campaign that placed her front and center.

約翰·甘迺迪參議員說，總統聽了之後「非常生氣」，因為諾姆的證詞說他準許了一項 2.2 億美元的國土安全部廣告活動，讓她成為了焦點。

CNN's Kevin Liptak is following all the details from the White House.

CNN 的 Kevin Liptak 正在白宮追蹤所有細節。

What are you learning about how the White House has seen her performance there?

你們從白宮那邊得知了哪些關於她表現的訊息？

And that one issue that really got them riled up?

而真正讓他們大為光火的那個議題是什麼？

Apparently, yeah, there was this one issue that seemed to sort of shove her into the abyss in a lot of ways.

顯然，是的，有這麼一個議題，在很多方面似乎讓她跌入了谷底。

But in other ways, this had been building for months and months.

但從另一方面來說，這件事已經醞釀了好幾個月。

You know, her demise was something of an open question at the White House.

你知道，她在白宮的失勢其實已經是個公開的祕密了。

They really viewed that situation in Minneapolis that ultimately, ultimately led to the deaths of two American citizens on the streets as a leadership failure.

他們認為明尼阿波利斯事件，也就是最終導致兩名美國公民在街頭喪生的事件，是領導上的失敗。

There were power clashes with the heads of CBP and ice.

和 CBP 和 ICE 的主管之間有權力鬥爭。

There were some serious questions about her spending, including on a luxury jet with a full bedroom that the DHS claimed was going to be used for deportations.

有人對她的花費提出嚴肅質疑，包括一架設有臥室的豪華噴射機，國土安全部聲稱這架飛機將用於遣返。

As one administration official put it yesterday, Christie's drama sadly overshadowed and distracted from the administration's extremely popular immigration agenda, which I think is something of an understatement.

正如一位政府官員昨天所說，克里斯蒂的戲碼令人遺憾地掩蓋並轉移了政府極受歡迎的移民政策的焦點，我認為這有點輕描淡寫了。

There was a lot of anger, anger and frustration at how she had handled so much of her job.

對於她如何處理工作中的許多事務，人們感到非常憤怒、氣憤和沮喪。

You know, the catalyst was this sort of humiliating appearance on Capitol Hill when she was repeatedly questioned about that $200 million plus ad campaign that put her at the very center.

你知道，導火線是她在國會山莊那次令人難堪的露面，當時她被反覆質疑那項耗資 2 億美元的廣告活動，讓她成為了眾矢之的。

She claimed that the President was aware and in fact had approved of these ads.

她聲稱總統知情，並且實際上準許了這些廣告。

The President said he had nothing to do with it or at least had no idea that they were spending the budget of a Marvel movie on these television advertisements.

總統表示他對此毫不知情，或者至少不知道他們花了拍攝一部漫威電影的預算來製作這些電視廣告。

You know, Kristi Noem is now the first cabinet official to be dismissed in the President's second term.

你知道，克里斯蒂·諾姆現在是總統第二任期內第一位被解職的內閣官員。

He had been making this concerted effort to try and avoid the drama that engulfed his first presidency.

他一直努力試圖避免圍繞他第一個任期的戲劇性事件。

And he did find her a landing pad, which is this previously nonexistent job as special envoy to the Southern Shield, which is this new security initiative for the Western Hemisphere.

他確實為她找到了一個著陸點，這是一個以前不存在的職位，擔任「南方之盾」特別使節，這是針對西半球一項新的安全倡議。

People he dismissed and he has this experience from his first term, often go out and give interviews or write books that portray him in a negative light.

他解僱的人，還有他第一個任期的經驗，常常會出去接受採訪或寫書，把他描寫得很負面。

So he does seem aware that finding a place for them to land is an imperative.

所以他似乎知道，為他們找到一個安身之處是勢在必行的。

Now, the man he is replacing her with is the Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.

現在，接替她的人是奧克拉荷馬州參議員 Mark Wayne Mullen。

The President has praised his appearances on television.

總統曾讚揚他在電視上的表現。

Mullen said yesterday that there would be the opportunity to build off her successes, but, quote, also the opportunity to build, build off things that maybe didn't go as planned.

Mullen 昨天表示，將有機會延續她的成功，但他也說，引述他的話，「也有機會延續那些可能沒有按計畫進行的事情」。

為什麼我這麼喜歡這些開闊的空間？