Name: 葛理翰：哈米尼死後「不是我們的職責」去決定伊朗領袖是誰！完整專訪 (Lindsey Graham says it’s ‘not our job’ to pick Iran’s leader after Khamenei's death: Full interview)
Uploaded: 2026-03-01T23:09:17.000Z
Duration: 13 min 37 s

And joining me now is Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

現在加入我們的是共和黨參議員、來自南卡羅來納州的 Lindsey Graham。

Senator Graham, welcome back to Meet the Press.

Graham 參議員，歡迎再度來到 Meet the Press。

Thank you for having me on such a historic day.

謝謝你們邀請我來這個歷史性的日子。

Thank you for being here on an historic morning.

Senator, let me start with the big question.

參議員，我先來問一個大問題。

美國現在是不是在跟伊朗打仗？

I don't know if this is technically a war, but we're.

我不知道這技術上算不算戰爭，但我們正在。

Here's what I can say the headline is for me.

我可以說，這對我來說是頭條新聞。

The largest state sponsor of terrorism, Iran, is close to collapsing.

最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者伊朗，即將崩潰。

The leader of the largest state sponsor of terrorism and his inner team are dead.

最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者及其核心團隊的領導人已經死亡。

The mothership that fuels the proxies is in sinking mode.

供應代理人的母船正處於沉沒模式。

The goal of this operation is to change the threat, not the regime.

這次行動的目標是改變威脅，而不是政權。

When this operation is over, no matter who takes over in Iran, they will not have ballistic missiles to hurt us, Israel or the region.

這項行動結束後，無論伊朗由誰接管，他們都無法擁有彈道飛彈來傷害我們、以色列或該地區。

They will not have the capability to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

他們將沒有能力成為最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者。

Whether it's a cleric or a group of representative of the country.

無論是教士還是國家代表團體。

Where there's an election, it doesn't matter right now.

Iran in the future will no longer be the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

伊朗未來將不再是最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者。

他們無法對該地區施加恐怖統治。

Again, the mothership of terrorism is sinking.

再說一次，恐怖主義的母船正在沉沒。

It's been the policy of this country for decades to eliminate this regime.

幾十年來，我國的政策一直是剷除這個政權。

Admiral Cooper came out with a military plan.

庫柏海軍上將提出了一個軍事計畫。

When it is done, Iran will no longer be capable of being the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

當這件事完成時，伊朗將不再能夠成為最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者。

That is the goal, and that goal will be achieved.

這就是目標，這個目標一定會達成。

Senator, let me ask you, because, as you are saying, the leader, the Ayatollah supreme Leader, is dead.

參議員，我能問您一下嗎，因為您說，領導人，最高領袖阿亞圖拉，已經死了。

Will the United States pick the next leader of Iran or will the Iranian people pick the next leader?

美國會挑選伊朗的下一任領導人，還是伊朗人民會挑選下一任領導人？

There will be no American boots on our ground.

我們不會有美軍踏上我們的土地。

We're going to free the people up from a terrorist regime.

我們要讓人民擺脫一個恐怖主義政權。

And the goal is not only to help the Iranian people to chart a new destiny, to make sure no matter who takes over in Iran, no matter who it is, no matter who the people pick, they cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

目標不僅是幫助伊朗人民開創新的未來，確保無論誰接管伊朗，無論是誰，無論人民選擇誰，他們都不能成為最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者。

They can't fuel Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas.

他們不能資助真主黨、胡塞武裝和哈馬斯。

They will be out of the terrorism business.

So the people will pick as to the people choose wisely.

We'd like to have a good relationship with you going forward.

我們希望未來能和你們維持良好關係。

What am I going to do next when this regime can no longer threaten the region?

當這個政權不再威脅這個區域時，我接下來要做什麼？

I'm going to build on what I did with President Biden to try to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize.

我會延續我與拜登總統的努力，試圖讓沙烏地阿拉伯和以色列正常化。

If the fall of this regime would lead to normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel, the center of gravity for Islam is Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state.

如果這個政權的垮臺能促成沙烏地阿拉伯和以色列之間的正常化，伊斯蘭的重心是沙烏地阿拉伯，而以色列是唯一的猶太國家。

If they could make peace and have a normal relationship because this regime fell, it would be historic.

如果他們能因為這個政權垮臺而達成和平、建立正常關係，那將是歷史性的。

Normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel is a historic deal.

沙烏地阿拉伯和以色列之間的正常化是個歷史性的協議。

That's where I'm going to spend my time and energy.

這就是我將投入時間和精力的地方。

You did something everybody talked about.

你做了一件大家都在談論的事。

The goal of this operation is to make sure there will never be in Iran a state sponsor of terrorism to rain havoc on us and the region.

這次行動的目標是確保伊朗再也不會成為恐怖主義國家贊助者，對我們和這個地區造成浩劫。

我希望人民能做出明智的選擇。

Senator, history tells us just how complicated regime change is.

參議員，歷史告訴我們政權更迭有多複雜。

We saw that when Saddam Hussein was ousted in a terror threat and group moved in.

我們看到薩達姆·海珊被推翻時，恐怖威脅和團體趁虛而入。

How will the United States make sure that the next Iranian government isn't worse than the current regime?

美國要怎麼確保下一個伊朗政府不會比現在的政權更糟？

It's not our job to pick the next Iranian government.

挑選下一個伊朗政府不是我們的職責。

I don't remember being attacked by Iraq anytime.

我不記得伊拉克曾經攻擊過我們。

You know, in the past, Iraq is complicated, but, you know, we, we have a relationship with Iraq.

你知道，過去伊拉克很複雜，但是，你知道，我們和伊拉克有關係。

We're going to give the people of Iran a chance to do something they've never had before, chart their own destiny.

我們要讓伊朗人民有機會做他們從未有過的，規劃自己的命運。

We're going to take away from any future regime the ability, any future government the ability to have a ballistic missile program, a nuclear program, or support terrorism.

我們要剝奪任何未來政權的能力，任何未來政府的能力，擁有彈道飛彈計畫、核子計畫，或支持恐怖主義。

And if out of this comes a new government that we can do business with, great.

如果這能產生一個我們可以合作的新政府，那就太好了。

But having Iran no longer the state sponsor of terrorism opens up historic opportunities.

但讓伊朗不再是恐怖主義國家贊助者，將開啟歷史性的機會。

它是實現真正和平的唯一障礙。

We'll never get to where we want to go as long as Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

只要伊朗還是最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者，我們就永遠無法達到我們的目標。

And I'm here to tell you the the largest state sponsor of terrorism the mothership of terrorism is sinking and the captain is dead.

我在此告訴各位，最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者，恐怖主義的母船正在沉沒，船長已經死亡。

And a lot of good things are going to follow.

Senator, let's talk about the strategy moving forward.

參議員，我們來談談接下來的策略。

In a social media post Sunday, President Trump wrote this.

週日總統川普在社群媒體上發布了這段話。

Quote, hopefully, the IRGC and police will peacefully merge with the Iranian patriots and work together as a unit to bring back the country to the greatness it deserves.

引述，希望伊朗伊斯蘭革命衛隊和警方能與伊朗愛國者和平合併，並團結一致，讓國家重拾應有的偉大。

The future of Iran is going to be determined by the Iranian people.

伊朗的未來將由伊朗人民決定。

The new Iran, whatever it is, whether it's a cleric or a representative democracy, our goal is to make sure it cannot become again the largest state sponsor of terrorism.

新的伊朗，無論是什麼樣貌，是教士統治還是代議民主，我們的目標是確保它不能再次成為最大的恐怖主義國家贊助者。

Is there a plan to make sure that happens?

有沒有一個計畫來確保這件事會發生？

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