Name: 亞洲對纖瘦的體型壓力！— BBC 世界服務「亞洲特輯」Podcast (The pressure to be thin in Asia - Asia Specific podcast, BBC World Service)
Uploaded: 2026-02-24T11:54:22.000Z
Duration: 16 min 29 s

Remember when body positivity was the buzzword?

還記得以前身體正向是熱門話題嗎？

The Western fashion industry was less obsessed with thinness as more plus size models commanded the catwalks.

隨著大尺碼模特兒在伸展臺上越來越受矚目，西方時尚產業對瘦的執著似乎也沒那麼強烈了。

Now, some say the fashion world has done a 180 degree turn.

現在，有人說時尚界來了個大轉彎。

But was Asia ever on board with body positivity?

不過，亞洲真的有跟上身體正向的腳步嗎？

And has the widespread use of weight loss drugs normalized thinness beyond the catwalk?

而減重藥物的廣泛使用，是不是讓伸展臺以外的瘦也變得正常了？

I'm Mariko in Singapore and this is Asia Specific from the BBC World Service.

我是Mariko，人在新加坡，這裡是BBC World Service的Asia Specific。

Twice a week we bring you Asia Pacific stories unpacked by those who know them best.

每週兩次，我們會為你帶來Asia Pacific的在地故事，由最瞭解的人為你深入解析。

And today I have Rachel Lee from our Asia Specific podcast team.

而今天，我請到了Asia Specific podcast團隊的Rachel Lee。

她是一位主廚，也是一位飲食研究員。

Thank you for joining me on Asia Pacific.

So I think it's important to emphasize firstly that this obsession with thinness, it is not specific to this part of the world.

所以我認為首先要強調的是，這種對瘦的執著，並不是這個地區獨有的。

then I moved to Australia, lived in other countries like the UK and the us and I personally definitely noticed a difference in what's considered to be skinny, normal and fat.

我搬到了澳洲，住過英國和美國等其他國家，我個人確實注意到「瘦」、「正常」和「胖」的標準有很大的不同。

So for example, I'm 154cm, which is I think 5ft So I grew up thinking I need to be about 40kg.

舉例來說，我身高154公分，大概是5英尺，我成長過程中認為自己應該要到40公斤左右。

And then I moved to Australia, gained about 50, 15kg.

然後我搬到澳洲，體重增加了大約50公斤，也就是15公斤。

I was like 55kg after falling in love with like sausage rolls and meat pies and chocolate biscuits and stuff.

在愛上香腸捲、肉派、巧克力餅乾等等之後，我的體重來到了55公斤。

And yet everyone in Australia was like, oh, that's normal, you were just too skinny.

但在澳洲，大家卻說，喔，這很正常，妳以前太瘦了。

So firstly, Rachel, what's been your experience growing up in South Korea, which I think would probably share similar perception of thinness as Japan?

所以首先，Rachel，妳在韓國長大的經驗怎麼樣？我認為韓國對瘦的看法可能跟日本很像？

I mean, in South Korea you get a sense that weight is more than just health, it's more, more about beauty.

在韓國，你會感覺體重不只是健康問題，更多的是關於美。

So I've seen this ideal body weight chart and this is just different from the regular like average healthy weight chart.

我看過這個理想體重表，這跟一般的平均健康體重表很不一樣。

So if you look at this ideal weight chart, the numbers are quite different from west and Asia.

所以如果你看這個理想體重表，數字跟西方和亞洲很不一樣。

You can easily come across these charts on social media.

你很容易在社群媒體上看到這些圖表。

You just screenshot it, share it with your friends and family casually.

你可以輕鬆截圖，隨意分享給你的親朋好友。

But if you, as I said, like, if you look into the numbers, they're extremely low.

不過就像我說的，如果你仔細看這些數字，會發現它們非常低。

So the average height of Asian woman is considered to be 162 centimeters.

所以亞洲女性的平均身高是 162 公分。

But according to this chart, the ideal weight is about 48kg.

但根據這張表，理想體重大約是 48 公斤。

So to some people that might seem quite impossible.

所以對某些人來說，這可能看起來根本不可能。

And this could actually push to a really unhealthy, extreme diet.

這可能會讓人走向非常不健康、極端的飲食。

So what would be the Western ideal weight for that 162cm.

那麼，對於 162 公分的女性，西方的理想體重是多少呢？

Also, if you just look at how people are easily commenting in each other's body, people's weight, and

而且，如果你看看大家多麼輕易地評論別人的身材、體重，

you just casually give them fashion tips like whether you are upper body fat and lower body fat, you want to avoid wearing like tight jeans or short skirts or, you know, stuff like that.

你隨便給人時尚建議，像是上半身胖下半身胖，你想要避免穿著緊身牛仔褲或短裙之類的。

You just feel like your body is something that needs to be constantly corrected.

你就是覺得你的身體需要不斷被修正。

And the fact that people are mentioning about your body, you just naturally get really self conscious.

而且大家提到你的身材，你自然就會變得非常在意。

I actually saw that Asian version of the chart.

我其實有看到那個亞洲版的圖表。

我需要 38 公斤才能生三個小孩。

Jenny, you grew up in the US and you moved to Asia a couple of years ago.

珍妮，妳在美國長大，幾年前搬到亞洲。

Did you notice the kind of difference between the US and here?

妳有沒有注意到美國和這裡有什麼不同？

Certainly, I think in the US there's definitely a pressure to have low weight for women as well.

當然，我覺得在美國，女性也確實有體重偏低的壓力。

But I think there's also balancing the weight demands with the kind of aesthetic demands, which is a lot of exaggerated proportions, you know, a la Kim Kardashian.

但我覺得同時也要平衡體重要求和一種審美要求，就是有很多誇張的比例，你知道的，像金卡達夏那樣。

you're also supposed to have the really big butt and the really big breasts.

妳也應該要有那個非常大的屁股和非常大的胸部。

And, you know, growing up somewhat curvy as an Asian woman, that was.

你知道的，身為一個亞洲女性，從小就曲線玲瓏，那時候。

It was impossible to find not just my size of clothing, but

更找不到一個能接納我身體的地方。

Because in Asian spaces, so, you know, going to potlucks with my aunties and uncles, it's always, I'm too big.

因為在亞洲的場合，你知道的，跟阿姨叔叔們去參加 potluck，總是有人說我太胖了。

But then in more Western American circles, it's always, well, you're so skinny.

但後來在比較西方的美國圈子裡，大家就說，妳太瘦了。

像是，妳怎麼沒有比較豐滿的曲線？

So you're just constantly navigating this like you don't fit anywhere.

所以妳就一直在這種「我哪裡都不屬於」的狀態裡。

Everyone's always trying to correct your body or make you look different.

大家總是在試圖糾正妳的身體，或是讓妳看起來不一樣。

And I guess in Asia, it's fair to say people tend to be naturally skinnier.

我猜在亞洲，大家天生就比較瘦，這倒是真的。

And when you're surrounded by people like that, if you're slightly bigger at school or whatever, I guess it can become a cause of bullying to unnecessary comments.

當妳被這樣的人包圍，如果在學校妳稍微胖一點，我猜這可能會變成被霸凌的原因，招來不必要的評論。

Rachel, why do you think this kind of obsession to be thin, why do you think it's more intense in Asia?

Rachel，妳覺得這種追求瘦的執著，為什麼在亞洲會更強烈？

Well, I think it has to do with something that I've just talked about.

嗯，我認為這跟剛剛我提到的東西有關。

People commenting on each other's looks, body weight, and the fact that people are evaluating you.

大家評論彼此的外表、體重，還有別人正在評價妳這件事。

And not to mention that In Asia, thinness is perceived that you're well disciplined or well self controlled.

而且在亞洲，瘦被認為是自律或自我控制良好的表現。

And this also reflects really well in job market as well.

So in your professional life, let's say you want to get a job in a job market in Asia, especially if it's a consumer facing roles or some kind of a job that requires you to wear a uniform.

所以，在妳的職業生涯中，假設妳想在亞洲的就業市場找一份工作，特別是那些需要面對消費者的職位，或是需要穿制服的職位。

And I've seen a lot of my friends who wanted to become flight attendants and they keep going on this extreme diet before interview because the applicants are asked to line up and just visually be compared.

我看過很多想當空服員的朋友，在面試前都會極度節食，因為應徵者會被排成一列，然後進行外觀比較。

And you know, the fear is not being rejected, but it's more about standing out.

妳知道，讓人害怕的不是被拒絕，而是更在意如何脫穎而出。

And standing out physically in Asia is definitely a disadvantage.

而在亞洲，外表出眾在體態上絕對是個劣勢。

不幸的是，這種情況還是會發生。

She's one of the earliest body positivity influencer in South Korea and the first, very first regular size model.

她是韓國最早的身體正向影響者之一，也是第一位、真正意義上的正常尺寸模特兒。

My size is actually one of the most common sizes in Korea.

我的尺寸其實在韓國是最常見的尺寸之一。

But I feel media only celebrates bodies that are extremely thin.

但我覺得媒體只歌頌極度瘦的身材。

Those bodies are portrayed as successful aspirational role models.

那些身材被描繪成成功的、令人嚮往的榜樣。

So we grow up thinking those bodies represent a good life, while our own bodies are ordinary, flawed and something that needs fixing.

所以我們從小就覺得那樣的身材代表著美好的生活，而我們自己的身材卻是普通的、有缺陷的，需要被修正。

That belief becomes deeply ingrained from a young age, creating a subconscious sense that our bodies are an unfinished assignment in life.

這種信念從小就根深蒂固，造成一種潛意識的感覺，認為我們的身體是人生中未完成的任務。

During my school years, I used to think my real life would begin only after I lose weight.

在我求學的那些年，我曾以為我真正的人生要等到我減肥後才會開始。

The more obsessed I became, the less I ate.

Eventually I developed an eating disorder and after that I stopped meeting people and became socially redrawn.

最後我罹患了飲食失調，在那之後我停止與人見面，變得社交退縮。

I think this problem is deeply tied to the social roles imposed on women in East Asian societies.

我認為這個問題與東亞社會對女性施加的社會角色有著深厚的關聯。

Expectations of being passive, delicate and protected.

被動、嬌弱且需要被保護的期待。

From a young age, women receive constant appearance based evaluations.

從小，女性就一直受到外貌的評價。

So very personal story that she was sharing there, her experience of an eating disorder.

這是一個非常個人的故事，她在那裡分享了她飲食失調的經歷。

I have to say I had it when I was 16, 17 when I gained all that weight in Australia.

我必須說，我 16、17 歲在澳洲體重增加時，就出現了這種情況。

And I think because I didn't speak English, I felt like the only thing I could control was the amount of calories I consumed.

我想是因為我不會說英文，我覺得我唯一能控制的就是我攝取的熱量。

And every morning you weigh yourself and you can see the results very quickly.

每天早上你量體重，很快就能看到結果。

So Jenny, you are a chef and it feels like, you know, when someone has an eating disorder, like I don't think I have it anymore, but

所以 Jenny，妳是主廚，感覺就像，你知道的，當一個人有飲食失調時，就像我覺得我沒有了，但是

when I feel really stressed, it still feels like it comes back to my head that okay, let's just try and lose weight, let's just starve yourself and you know, feel good, good about yourself.

當我感到壓力很大的時候，我腦子裡還是會出現「好吧，就試著減肥吧，就餓自己吧，然後感覺很好，對自己感覺很好」的想法。

And then you end up eating because you tell yourself that no, no, no, that's not healthy.

然後你就會開始吃，因為你告訴自己「不行，不行，不行，這樣不健康」。

And then you get that real sense of guilt that you ate too much.

然後你就會產生一種罪惡感，覺得自己吃太多了。

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