Name: 安娜·納瓦羅：我歸功於 MAGA 成功挑戰川普對愛潑斯坦檔案的要求！ (Ana Navarro: I credit MAGA for defying Trump on Epstein files)
Uploaded: 2026-02-12T17:14:25.000Z
Duration: 10 min 52 s

為了她的表演式戲劇化而淪落。

This is your committee and she is embarrassing me.

這是你的委員會，而她讓我難堪。

You sit here and you attack the president and I am not going to have.

你們坐在這裡攻擊總統，我不會容忍。

Almost seems like something out of a reunion episode of a Bravo show or something.

這幾乎就像是 Bravo 節目的重聚集數裡會出現的橋段。

But it's interesting because Pam Bondi actually, to be honest, has not really been around all that much when we've been talking about the Epstein files, the person they've been putting out is Todd Blanche.

但有趣的是，老實說，當我們在談論 Epstein 檔案時，Pam Bondi 其實並沒有怎麼出現，他們推出的人是 Todd Blanche。

And now she's there on Capitol Hill and seems to be putting on a show of defiance.

現在她就在國會山，似乎在表演式的對抗。

But I think the real question is over what?

但我認為真正該問的問題是為了什麼？

Over finding out the truth about a child sex ring.

而不是去找出兒童性侵犯罪集團的真相。

It just seems like the wrong attitude for this issue.

對於這個議題，這態度似乎不太對。

聽著，我是一個維持現狀主義者。

I want there to be some iota of respect for the institution of Congress.

我希望對國會機構能有一絲的尊重。

I think this kind of performative theatrics.

She says she's not going to get in the gutter for her theatrics or somebody else's theatrics.

她說她不會為了自己的表演或別人的表演而淪落。

Everything she did today was performative.

And I say this as somebody who has known Pam Bondi for many years.

我之所以這麼說，是因為我認識 Pam Bondi 很多年了。

I knew her back in Florida when she was Attorney General.

我在佛羅裡達州認識她，那時候她是總檢察長。

我認為這對任何人來說都沒有幫助。

I don't think these shouting matches and, and let's just be, you know, honest about it.

我覺得這些爭吵，還有，嗯，我們就誠實地說。

When Democrats were in power in the, in Congress, the shouting matches still went on.

當民主黨在國會掌權時，爭吵還是持續不斷。

When Republicans are in power, the shouting matches still go.

當共和黨掌權時，爭吵還是持續。

These congressional hearings have really degraded into quiet like this.

這些國會聽證會真的淪落到像這樣安靜。

I mean, even Trump's other attorney generals, Bill Barr, Jeff Sessions, I don't know.

我是說，就連川普的其他總檢察長，Bill Barr、Jeff Sessions，我不知道。

The part that really bothered me today, and

今天真正讓我困擾的部分，而且

I give MAGA a lot of credit, the one thing I give them credit for is not letting go of the Epstein files bone.

我給 MAGA 很多肯定，我給他們肯定的唯一一點是他們沒有放開 Epstein 檔案的關鍵點。

And there was people like Nancy Mays, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who defied Donald Trump and voted to release these files, who end the MAGA blogosphere and podcast universe, who never let it go.

我是說，像 Nancy Mays、Marjorie Taylor Greene 這樣的人，他們違抗了 Donald Trump，投票決定公開這些檔案，他們終結了 MAGA 的部落格和Podcast圈，他們從來沒有放棄過。

That being said, I thought today, Pam Bondi having those victims, those survivors there, and

話雖如此，我今天覺得，Pam Bondi 讓那些受害者、那些倖存者在場，

the family of the survivors that have died, and

還有那些已經去世的倖存者的家屬，

not having the common courtesy of at the very least turning around and acknowledging their presence.

卻連最基本的禮貌都沒有，至少轉過身去承認他們的存在。

And I do think, I do think those survivors are owed an apology by four administrations.

我真的認為，我真的認為這四個政府都應該向這些倖存者道歉。

And she is right that Merrick Garland should have answered questions.

而且她說得對，Merrick Garland 應該回答問題。

但現在，今天，這是她的司法部。

It is up to her to release all the files and and comply with the law that was passed.

由她來公開所有檔案並遵守通過的法律。

It is up to her to give justice and closure to those survivors.

該由她來還給那些倖存者公道與慰藉。

It was so shameful to me that those survivors got told and asked, raise your hand if you have called the DOJ and offered to testify.

讓那些倖存者被告知並被問到，如果你們打電話給司法部並表示願意作證，請舉手，這對我來說太羞恥了。

They all raised their hands and none had been contacted by this doj, which is run by Pam Bondi, a woman from Florida who knows who Epstein is.

他們都舉了手，但沒有一個人被這個由來自佛羅裡達、認識愛潑斯坦的潘·邦迪（Pam Bondi）領導的司法部聯繫過。

Yeah, I mean, pick up on that because I think the conversation today, I've been watching all the news has been about the theatrics that are happening that were happening on Capitol Hill.

是啊，我的意思是，接續這個話題，因為我認為今天的對話，我看了所有新聞，都在談論在國會山正在發生的那些表演式的戲劇化。

But the reality is the real conversation we talk about is the survivors.

但現實是，我們真正談論的對話是關於倖存者。

The conversation of how brave it is for them to even have been there.

關於她們即使身處其中有多勇敢的對話。

One in five women in America have experienced some sort of sexual assault.

美國每五名女性中就有一人經歷過某種形式的性侵。

The reality is this gives us the complete picture of what this administration is.

現實是，這讓我們能完整了解這個政府是什麼樣子的。

They will do whatever to protect the their sexual assaulter in chief who was found liable for sexual assault before.

他們會不擇手段地保護他們的性侵犯首長，而他先前已被判定性侵罪名成立。

The reality is we're not having this conversation that protects women.

但現實是，我們並沒有在進行保護女性的對話。

It continues to perpetuate this situation and this culture in America where it makes women hard to come forward and actually say this person did something extremely wrong to me.

這持續助長了美國的這種情況和文化，讓女性難以站出來說「這個人對我做了非常嚴重的事」。

And that's the conversation we should be having.

But I'm not surprised that this administration is deflecting from it because let's look at the first Trump administration when Kavanaugh was.

但我不意外這個政府會迴避，因為讓我們看看川普總統的第一任期，當時卡瓦諾（Kavanaugh）正在接受審查。

When the hearings around Kavanaugh and Professor Ford actually was brave enough to share her story.

當時在卡瓦諾（Kavanaugh）的聽證會上，福特教授（Professor Ford）勇敢地分享了她的故事。

Even if we put the Trump of it aside for a second, there were still some really bizarre moments today.

即使我們暫時不談川普，今天還是發生了一些非常離奇的時刻。

I mean, this is an interaction between Pam Bondi and Tom Massie and he's asking her why the DOJ hasn't or didn't prosecute some people who are named in the Epstein files as being co conspirators.

我的意思是，這是潘·邦迪（Pam Bondi）和湯姆·馬西（Tom Massie）之間的互動，他問她為什麼司法部沒有起訴一些在 Epstein 檔案中被點名為共犯的人。

Are you able to track who it was that obscured Les Wexner's name as a coconspirator in an FBI document?

你能不能追蹤是誰在 FBI 文件中隱藏了萊斯·韋克斯納（Les Wexner）作為共犯的名字？

主席，關於這個還有一個問題。

Here's the question and I need to give my answer on that.

這是我的問題，我需要給出我的答案。

We'll let the attorney General respond and then the gentleman can move to chairman.

我們會讓總檢察長回應，然後這位先生可以請主席。

Within 40 minutes you asked me a question.

在 40 分鐘內你問了我一個問題。

Within 40 minutes, Wexner's name was added back.

在 40 分鐘內，Wexner 的名字又被加回來了。

Within 40 minutes of me catching you red handed.

There was one redaction where he's listed as a co conspirator.

有一個地方被塗銷了，他被列為共犯。

I just don't know who that serves, Scott.

我只是不知道那對誰有好處，Scott。

I mean, literally on that document, the name that is blacked out says co conspirator.

我的意思是，文件上塗黑的名字就寫著共犯。

那應該是很明顯的非塗黑部分。

To not even acknowledge that, I think, and

連承認都不承認，我覺得，而且

then make it about Thomas Massie and his relationship with Trump or whatever seems to obscure the bigger issue, which is that there are potential perpetrators, alleged perpetrators, who are still being protected.

還把事情變成是 Thomas Massie 和他跟川普的關係，或是其他似乎模糊了更大問題的事情，那就是有潛在的加害者，被指控的加害者，仍然受到保護。

Well, look, I don't know how the redactions are made or not made.

嗯，你看，我不知道那些塗銷是怎麼做的，有沒有做。

And look, obviously it was brought up and then they unredacted it.

而且你看，顯然這件事被提出來了，然後他們就把它們解密了。

And it's three and a half million documents.

And I have always wondered, how in the world do you ever get it perfect?

我一直很好奇，到底要怎麼才能做到完美？

And I've also wondered, you know, the danger of accidentally or whatever putting people's names out there who were victims, who shouldn't have their names out there.

我也一直在想，你知道，意外地或怎麼樣把受害者們的名字曝光的危險，那些不應該被曝光名字的人。

Anytime you're dumping this many documents, it's.

任何時候你丟出這麼多文件，都會。

It's been worrisome, all of that having been said this, this hearing today.

儘管如此，今天的聽證會一直讓人擔心。

To me, look, I get the desire to fight because, look, and I agree with Anna, actually

對我來說，你看，我明白想反擊的心情，因為你看，我其實也同意 Anna 的看法

People show up, they make speeches, they.

Then they give the witness 10 seconds to respond, then they yell at the witness.

然後給證人十秒鐘回應，接著對證人咆哮。

That having been said at the doj, I think if I were advising them, I would advise them to do it more like Scott Besant handles his hearings.

儘管如此，在司法部，我想如果我要給他們建議，我會建議他們多學學 Scott Besant 是怎麼處理他的聽證會的。

He is in command of the facts, and that's how he chooses to do it.

他掌握了事實，而且他選擇這樣做。

他們也用同樣的方式對付他，但是

he has a different style of how he carries himself and how he presents himself.

他有不同的風格來展現自己和呈現自己。

I think that truthfully better serves the administration because it shows more confidence in what you're doing as opposed to just the fighting and the back and forth.

我覺得說實話，這樣更能服務於政府，因為它展現了你對自己所做事情的更多信心，而不是隻有爭吵和來回攻防。

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