Name: 科納基：「大量」獨立選民強烈不贊同川普的移民政策！ (Kornacki: ‘Large number’ of independents strongly disapprove of Trump’s immigration agenda)
Uploaded: 2026-02-12T06:57:05.000Z
Duration: 4 min 48 s

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Congress is barreling towards a partial government shutdown in just two days.

美國國會即將在兩天內面臨部分停擺。

Negotiations appear to have stalled as Democrats demand reforms to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in exchange for funding the Department of Homeland Security.

由於民主黨要求改革美國移民及海關執法局，以換取美國國土安全部的撥款，協商似乎陷入停滯。

Yesterday, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer calling the White House proposal insufficient, as Majority Leader Thune suggested a solution wouldn't be found before the looming deadline.

昨天，參議院少數黨領袖 Chuck Schumer 認為白宮的提案不足，而多數黨領袖 Thune 則表示，在迫近的截止日期前找不到解決方案。

The bottom line is it was incomplete and insufficient.

重點是，它是不完整且不足的。

We need legislative language that will rein in ICE and end the violence.

我們需要約束 ICE 並終止暴力的立法語言。

The proposal didn't come close to doing that.

I would say, again, it's a work in progress.

我會再說一次，這是一個進行中的工作。

But I would hope that the Democrats here in the Senate, if it takes more time, which I believe it will, would be amenable to allowing us to get an extension of the continuing resolution to allow more time for those negotiations to continue.

但我希望參議院的民主黨人，如果需要更多時間，我相信會是如此，能夠同意讓我們延長持續決議案，以便有更多時間讓那些協商繼續進行。

It comes as new NBC decision desk polling shows the president's approval on immigration issues falling and Americans largely supporting the idea of reforming ice.

這是在新的 NBC 決策臺民調顯示總統在移民議題上的支持度下降，而美國人普遍支持改革 ICE 的想法之際。

NBC chief data analyst Steve Kornacki joins me with more from the poll.

NBC首席數據分析師 Steve Kornacki 將與我一起分享更多關於這份民調的內容。

Steve, so great to see you at the big board in your element.

史提夫，很高興看到你站在你最熟悉的大螢幕前。

But what does this poll tell us about how Americans view Trump's handling of immigration in his second term?

但這份民調告訴我們，美國人怎麼看待川普在第二任期內的移民政策？

Yeah, I think something we're seeing here is it's taking a toll maybe on his broader standing.

是的，我認為我們在這裡看到的是，這可能對他整體的聲望造成了影響。

Maybe this is the overall job approval rating for President Trump in this new poll.

這份新的民調顯示的是川普總統的整體施政評價。

Now, again, keep in mind on this, this is a little bit different here.

請再次注意，這裡有點不一樣。

We're looking adults, not just registered voters.

我們看的是成年人，不只是登記選民。

It's a little wider net than we usually cast in polling.

這比我們平常的民調範圍來得廣一些。

But still, I think it captures something here.

但即便如此，我認為它捕捉到了一些東西。

39% among all adults is President Trump's job approval rating.

39% 的成年人是川普總統的工作認可率。

That's one of the lower numbers that you're going to see out here.

這是在這裡看到的較低數字之一。

That's one of the lower numbers I think you've seen since Trump came back to the White House to start his second term a little bit over a year ago.

我認為這比川普在一年多前重返白宮開始他的第二任期以來看到的數字還要低。

And I think that low number there is clearly related to this number.

我認為這個低數字顯然與這個數字有關。

This is getting into immigration, border security.

Trump's approval rating there, 40% in this poll, that is down from where it was earlier in his presidency.

川普在這項民調中的支持率為 40%，低於他總統任期初期的水準。

It's down from where it's been in other polls throughout his presidency.

低於他總統任期內其他民調的水準。

Remember when Trump came back to the White House and in the 2024 campaign, immigration in the border were relative strengths for him.

還記得川普重返白宮以及 2024 年競選時，移民和邊境問題對他來說是相對的優勢嗎？

現在這個數字對他來說正在下降。

And I think that's also exerting, it seems, maybe a broader effect on his overall job approval rating.

而且我覺得這也似乎對他的整體施政滿意度產生了更廣泛的影響。

And then you look inside that number there on his handling of immigration in the border.

接著你看看他處理移民和邊境問題的數字。

I don't know if it shows up, but I'm circling the 72.

我不知道有沒有顯示出來，但我圈了 72。

That's basically 3/4, almost 3/4 of independents here in this poll saying they disapprove of how the president is handling border and the immigration.

基本上，這表示在此次民調中，將近四分之三的獨立選民表示他們不贊同總統處理邊境和移民問題的方式。

So and also there, if you, if you looked among independents here too, a large number who have, have shifted not just in opposition, saying they disapprove, they strongly disapprove.

所以，如果你也看看這裡的獨立選民，有很多人不僅轉為反對，他們表示不贊同，而是強烈不贊同。

So that depth of opposition there too, I think thickening a little bit to the president on this issue, asking about that issue there then of tactics used by ICE and Border Patrol agents.

所以，我認為這種反對的深度也讓總統在這個問題上變得有點棘手，問到 ICE 和邊境巡邏隊探員使用的策略。

Again, wide consensus there, 2/3 in this poll saying those tactics have gone too far.

再次強調，這裡有廣泛的共識，民調中有三分之二的人認為這些策略做得太過火了。

Again, this conducted really immediately in the wake of the events in Minnesota recently.

再次強調，這是在明尼蘇達州最近事件發生後立即進行的。

And then a question, I think here you showed this at the start of the segment, but

然後有個問題，我想你一開始就有提到，

going into that dha, DHS funding fight here, what do you think we're asking folks, do you think should happen here with ice?

關於這次美國國土安全部的撥款爭議，你覺得我們應該怎麼處理美國移民及海關執法局？

The plurality saying reform now, reform, obviously that's a broad answer.

大多數人表示要改革，改革，這當然是個籠統的答案。

That could mean a lot of different things.

這可能意味著很多不同的事情。

But the, the plurality are basically saying they want to keep it, but they want to change it.

但大多數人基本上表示他們想保留它，但他們想改變它。

There are 29% here, this is heavily Republican who say keep it in its current form.

這裡有 29% 的人，這是共和黨佔多數，他們說要維持現狀。

And then there's this answer right here, abolish ice.

然後這個答案是，廢除美國移民及海關執法局。

And you hear that slogan from the political left a lot, 29% here, you know, a little bit less than one third choosing that.

你經常聽到來自政治左派的這句口號，這裡有 29% 的人，你知道，不到三分之一的人選擇了這個。

I think what's interesting is a lot of that 29% is coming from Democratic voters.

我認為有趣的是，這 29% 有很多來自民主黨選民。

Almost half of Democratic voters say that what they think should happen to ICE is that it should be abolished.

將近一半的民主黨選民表示，他們認為應該廢除美國移民及海關執法局。

So as you look at Democrats in Washington navigate that DHS fight, as you look at Democratic candidates in primaries on the campaign trail this year, getting ready for 2020, 28, I think one of the things they're increasingly looking at, we've seen this on a range of issues is their own base is pushing them more and more into sort of maximalist position and confrontation.

所以當你看著華盛頓的民主黨人在處理國土安全部的爭議時，當你看到民主黨候選人在今年的初選競選活動中，為 2020 年做準備時，我認為他們越來越關注的一件事，我們在許多議題上都看到了，就是他們自己的基本盤正越來越將他們推向極端立場和對抗。

And again, half of the Democratic base wants, they say in this poll to abolish ice.

而且，就像這個民調顯示的，一半的民主黨基本盤想要廢除美國移民及海關執法局。

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記得，在 NBC 新聞 App 上隨時掌握最新消息和熱門頭條，或在我們的 YouTube 頻道上觀看直播。