Name: 詹姆斯馬丁神父談助他成長的經歷：最終你必須做真實的自己！ ("Eventually You Have To Be Your True Self" - Father James Martin On The Jobs That Helped Him Grow Up)
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My next guest is a best selling author, podcaster and editor at large for America's Magazine, as well as a dear friend.

我下一位要介紹的來賓，是一位 best selling author、podcaster，也是 America's Magazine 的 editor at large，同時也是我一位非常要好的朋友。

He's also the official chaplain of the Colbert Nation.

他也是 Colbert Nation 的 official chaplain。

Please welcome back to the Late Show, Father James Martin.

歡迎 Father James Martin 回到 Late Show。

I always have fun when I'm on your podcast.

我每次上你的 podcast 都覺得很有趣。

You did something this past fall that I'm, I'm, I won't say jealous of, because jealousy is a sin, but

你去年秋天做了一件事，我，我，我不會說我嫉妒，因為嫉妒是罪，但是

How about I admire to the point of pain is that you met with our new American Pope, Pope Leo xiv.

我只能說我佩服到有點痛苦的是，你見到了我們新任的美國教宗，教宗 Leo xiv。

We talked about ministry to LGBTQ Catholics, which is part of my work.

我們聊了關於 LGBTQ Catholics 的牧靈工作，這是我工作的一部分。

The previous Pope had been open to expanding that ministry.

前任教宗一直對擴展這項牧靈工作持開放態度。

What's the word on what Pope Leo has to say?

關於教宗 Leo 的說法，有什麼消息嗎？

Yeah, the message I got from him was that he's continuing Pope Francis mission and message of welcome and inclusion, and

對，我從他那裡得到的訊息是，他正延續 Pope Francis 的使命和歡迎、包容的訊息，而且

他希望這項訊息能被廣播出去。

Last week, I was on Seth Meyer's show over on the NBC and he asked me who my guest I want to have before the show's over.

上週，我在 NBC 的 Seth Meyer's show 上，他問我希望在節目結束前邀請哪位嘉賓。

And I said, well, I would like to have the Pope on.

我說，嗯，我希望能邀請教宗。

我是，你知道的，我是天主教徒。

我的意思是，所以，就是這樣。

我覺得他會是很棒的嘉賓，對。

I mean, he's no Jim Martin, but he's pretty good.

我的意思是，雖然他不是 Jim Martin，但他也挺不錯的。

Okay, you've got, you've got a new memoir here.

好的，你這裡有一本新的回憶錄。

This one's called Work in Confessions of a Busboy, Dishwasher, caddy, usher, factory worker, bank teller, corporate tool, and

這本叫做 Work in Confessions of a Busboy, Dishwasher, caddy, usher, factory worker, bank teller, corporate tool, and

I'm curious what job taught you the most?

我很好奇，哪份工作教會你最多東西？

I learned the most from being a busboy dishwasher.

我從當餐廳服務生兼洗碗工學到最多。

I learned how not to treat people because I was treated poorly and everyone should work in service for a while.

我學到怎麼不該對待別人，因為我曾被對待得很差，而且每個人都應該在服務業待一陣子。

Yeah, I was on the low end of the, you know, the job ladder and had no power and was 15 years old and, you know, Some people treated me nicely.

對啊，我當時在那個，你知道的，工作階梯的底層，沒有權力，才 15 歲，然後，你知道的，有些人對我很好。

But you learn when you're mistreated, you say to yourself, I'll never treat someone like that.

但你學到，當你被虐待時，你會跟自己說，我絕對不會那樣對待別人。

So I learned a lot about just kindness and humility and, you know, not being mean.

所以我學到了很多關於善良、謙遜，還有，你知道的，不要惡劣待人。

Did that feed into when you actually took the holy orders, like when you went to go be a priest?

這對你後來領受聖職，像是去當牧師，有什麼影響嗎？

擔任餐廳服務生對此有什麼啟發嗎？

When I was a Jesuit novice, people actually said to me, you wash dishes very well.

我在當耶穌會初學修士時，有人對我說，你洗盤子洗得真好。

The book, okay, the book is full of wonderful anecdotes, and one of them involves this.

這本書，好的，這本書充滿了很棒的軼事，其中一個就跟這個有關。

Who is this miscreant at the bottom of this ashtray right here?

這裡煙灰缸底部這個惡棍是誰啊？

我們在童子軍的時候做了那個煙灰缸。

So my parents, because we grew up at a time when at school or in the Cub Scouts, you made ashtrays for your parents?

所以我的父母，因為我們成長的年代，在學校或童子軍，你會為父母做煙灰缸嗎？

And so for 50, 60 years, my parents had that, and

所以五十、六十年來，我的父母都有那個，然後

they would stub their cigarettes out of my face.

You write about the moment in this book when it inspired you to become a Jesuit.

你在這本書裡寫到一個讓你決定成為耶穌會士的時刻。

And before you even explain what that moment was, explain to people who don't know, like, what is the calling specifically of a Jesuit?

在你解釋那個時刻之前，先跟不知道的人說一下，耶穌會士的使命到底是什麼？

嗯，我們是一個天主教的宗教團體。

We take vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.

我們會發誓守貧窮、貞潔和順從。

We're probably best known in the US for our schools, you know, Boston College, Fordham, Georgetown.

在美國，大家最知道的可能是我們的學校，像是波士頓學院、福坦莫大學、喬治城大學。

Okay, and so what was this moment that inspired you to take that life?

好的，那是什麼樣的時刻，讓你決定走上這條路呢？

I was working for ge, a formerly great company, as a corporate tool, as I say in the book.

我當時在 GE 工作，這家公司曾經很棒，書裡說我是個 corporate tool。

所以你那時候是為體制工作囉。

I'd gone to business school and I came home one night and I turned on the TV and there was a documentary about Thomas Merton, the Trappist monk who I know.

我念完商學院回家，那天晚上打開電視，剛好在播關於 Thomas Merton 的紀錄片，他是一位我認識的特拉普會隱修士。

喔，也向 Thomas Merton 致敬一下。