Name: 臺灣蔣介石 (1971) | 60分鐘歷史影像 (Taiwan’s Chiang Kai-shek (1971) | 60 Minutes Archive)
Uploaded: 2026-02-08T02:49:12.000Z
Duration: 18 min 32 s

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Molly Safer, who was the first American television newsman to report from Communist China, has just returned from the China of Chiang Kai Shek.

Molly Safer 是第一位從中國共產黨統治下的中國報導的美國電視新聞記者，他剛從蔣介石統治下的中國回來。

For two decades since his defeat on the mainland, it was the policy of the United States to practice and propagate the idea that Chang's island of Taiwan was the one and only China.

自從他在中國大陸戰敗以來，二十年來，美國的政策一直是實踐和宣揚「宋美齡的臺灣島是唯一中國」的理念。

There was a mad Hatter's kind of logic about it all, supporting Chang's pronouncements that his forces of so called Free China would invade the mainland at the same time carefully ensuring that he would not, while at the same time containing Communist China with a nuclear threat and at the same time not recognizing its existence.

這一切都有一種瘋帽客式的邏輯，支持宋美齡宣稱他所謂的自由中國軍隊將會入侵中國大陸，同時小心確保他不會這麼做，並且同時以核武威脅來遏制中國共產黨，同時又不承認其存在。

And so for generations now, our China policy has been anchored to our commitment to to Chang.

是以，幾代人以來，我們的中國政策一直繫於我們對宋美齡的承諾。

For years in the United States, a barrage of propaganda portrayed Chang and his regime both before and after his defeat on the mainland as the democratic leader of Free China, denying that the struggle in China between Chiang Kai Shek and Mao Zedong was a naked struggle for power between two ruthless men, both bent on imposing their own personal dictatorship over millions of Chinese people.

在美國多年來，一連串的宣傳將宋美齡及其政權，無論是在中國大陸戰敗之前還是之後，都描繪成自由中國的民主領袖，否認蔣介石和毛澤東在中國的鬥爭是兩個無情男人赤裸裸的權力鬥爭，他們都一心想對數百萬中國人民施加自己的個人獨裁統治。

So on Taiwan, the myth of a republican China was perpetuated and Chang and Madame Chang were pictured as the aging Kennedys of a Camelot that never was.

是以，在臺灣，共和中國的神話得以延續，宋美齡和宋美齡被描繪成一個從未存在過的卡美洛的年邁甘迺迪。

Little has disturbed the calm of their Taiwan exile over the past 20 years.

在過去的二十年裡，臺灣的流亡生活幾乎沒有受到什麼幹擾。

American assurances of protecting and nurturing the so called Republic of China guaranteed at least the Generalissimo's position as the leader of a mini China.

美國對保護和扶植所謂的中華民國的保證，至少確保了總司令作為一個迷你中國領導人的地位。

US Policy of not recognizing the mainland reinforced Chang's dream of a return.

美國不承認中國大陸的政策，強化了蔣介石回歸的夢想。

But last week reality intruded in the bizarre form of a ping pong competition.

但上週，一場奇特的乒乓球比賽讓現實介入了。

He is fit and in full control, according to his advisors.

據他的顧問說，他身體健康，一切盡在掌握。

As we walked in his garden, there was nothing to indicate otherwise.

當我們在他花園裡散步時，沒有任何跡象顯示情況並非如此。

And after a decade of almost gullist inaccessibility, the Generalissimo submitted to a television interview.

在近十年的幾乎與世隔絕之後，總司令接受了一次電視採訪。

Chang refused to give a spontaneous interview.

He would only agree to give his views if questions were submitted in advance, no follow up questions permitted.

他只同意在事先提交問題的情況下表達他的看法，不允許追問。

His policy, he says, has not changed in 40 years and he proudly states it will never change.

他說，他的政策40年來沒有改變，他自豪地表示永遠不會改變。

President, with regard to the ping pong visits to Communist China by the United States, do you regard this change in policy between the United States and Communist China as a direct threat to the Republic of China?

總統先生，關於美國對中國共產黨統治下的中國進行的乒乓球訪問，您認為美國與中國共產黨統治下的中國之間這種政策轉變，是否直接威脅到中華民國？

The Chinese Communist invitation and the visit of the American table tennis team to the Chinese mainland are merely new approaches to the international united front intrigues of the Pepin regime.

中國共產黨的邀請，以及美國桌球隊訪問中國大陸，僅是裴多菲政權國際統一戰線陰謀的新手法。

Such Chinese communist tactics of external infiltration and subversion have borne their first fruit.

這種中國共產黨的外部滲透和顛覆策略，已經結出了第一個果實。

If all of us are aware of this, I think there should be no substantial change in the relationships between the United States and the Chinese Communists.

如果我們都意識到這一點，我認為美國與中國共產黨之間的關係不會有實質性的改變。

The cheating of BEI Ping will fail as the deceit is recognized.

貝平的欺騙將會失敗，因為這種欺騙已被識破。

The fundamental foreign policy of the Republic of China is based on belief that in statecraft the nation should rely not on others but itself.

中華民國的基本外交政策是基於國家治理應自力更生，而非依賴他人的信念。

No change in external elements or factors will affect the position of the Republic of China or alter its fundamental national policy.

外部元素或因素的任何改變，都不會影響中華民國的地位，也不會改變其基本國策。

Neither the Chinese version of communism on the mainland nor the Chinese version of Western democracy here in Taiwan has very much changed the nature of the Chinese people.

無論是中國大陸的中國共產主義版本，還是臺灣這裡的西方民主版本，都未能改變中國人的本質。

Both are alien ideas adopted out of necessity by the people of the Middle Kingdom.

這兩種都是中原人民出於需要而採用的外來思想。

And when you look at both Chinas, you get the feeling that the similarities between the two are much stronger than the differences that keep them apart.

當你審視兩個中國時，你會感覺到兩者之間的相似之處遠比造成隔閡的差異來得更強烈。

What has been called the cultural unity of the Chinese people dominates life both in Peking and Taiwan and among Chinese people on the other side of the earth.

中國人所謂的文化統一性，無論是在北平、臺灣，還是地球另一端的中國人身上都普遍存在。

The same rich street life, the same gregarious nature, the same pride and arrogance, the same respect for the fundamental importance of education, the same sense of being Chinese and the same understanding that Americans and other foreigners, no matter how inscrutable and alien they may be, must be dealt with.

豐富的街頭生活、同樣的合群天性、同樣的驕傲與傲慢、同樣重視教育的根本重要性、同樣的中國人認同感，以及同樣明白美國人和其他外國人，無論他們多麼難以理解和陌生，都必須應對。

Chang and his army and his Kuomintang party found the mainland ungovernable.

蔣介石和他的軍隊以及國民黨發現大陸是無法治理的。

But Taiwan, under the umbrella of American security, was a tight little island, rich with the heritage of China's great past, but

但在美國的安全保護傘下，臺灣是一個緊密的小島，擁有中國偉大過去豐富的文化遺產，但

relatively free of the dissensions that have torn it apart through the centuries.

相對而言，卻較少受到幾個世紀以來撕裂它的紛爭影響。

The old relationship between man and soil.

It is the old cycle of China, man and earth.

這是中國、人與土地的古老循環。

And for him, it is not all that different.

對他來說，這並沒有什麼太大的不同。

120 miles away, nature has created its own bondage on the Chinese people.

在一百二十英里外，大自然已經對中國人民施加了它自身的束縛。

And neither Chang's nor Mao's version of liberty has even challenged it.

無論是蔣介石還是毛澤東所定義的自由，都未曾挑戰過它。

But both Chinas have learned to feed themselves that alone.

但兩個中國都學會了僅僅是餵飽自己。

Taiwan is not so ideologically regimented as the mainland.

臺灣不像中國大陸那樣受到意識形態的嚴格管制。

But you wonder just how deeply embedded communism is over there.

但你還是會想，共產主義在那裡到底有多根深蒂固。

In its long history, China has gone through periodic convulsions of self assertion.

在悠久的歷史中，中國經歷過週期性的自我主張的動盪。

And the result, in both Chinas and in Chinese communities overseas, has been a way of life, a philosophy, a culture, even a diet that is unique.

結果，無論是兩個中國還是海外的華人社群，都形成了一種獨特的生活方式、哲學、文化，甚至飲食。

Taipei is not drenched in the thought of President Chiang, but

臺北並非充滿蔣總統的思想，但

to a foreigner's eye, the red banners that hang in every street, that front every shop, give it the look of Peking.

在外國人眼中，懸掛在每條街道、店鋪門前的紅色旗幟，讓這裡看起來像北平。

They are slogans too, all with a strong moral tone.

這些也是標語，都帶有強烈的道德意味。

Slogans and homilies in the streets of China predate both Mao and Chiang.

中國街頭的標語和訓誡，比毛澤東和蔣介石都早出現。

The 22 years of exile have been fruitful ones for the people of Chang.

張家這二十二年流亡的日子，對他們來說是收穫豐富的。

There is no question that the 14 million people of Taiwan, to put it in its simplest terms, are better off than the 700 million on the mainland.

毫無疑問，簡單來說，臺灣的一千四百萬人民，比中國大陸的七億人民生活得更好。

Simple arithmetic has a lot to do with it, and

簡單的算術是其中一個很大的因素，

so has the energy and inventiveness of the people themselves.

也展現了人民本身的活力與創造力。

China on Taiwan has leaped into the 20th century its own natural vigor urged on by the two biggest industrial giants at either end of the globe, Japan and the United States.

臺灣的中國，靠著全球兩大工業巨頭日本和美國的推動，憑藉自身蓬勃的生命力，已躍入二十世紀。

For reasons of profit and geopolitics, firms like Toyota and Philips, Ford and Sony, Mitsubishi and IBM have poured billions into industrializing Taiwan to the point that the tiny island's gross national product almost equals that of the communist mainland and its exports are even greater.

為了利潤和地緣政治，豐田、飛利浦、福特、索尼、三菱和IBM等公司已投入數十億美元工業化臺灣，使得這個小島的國民生產總值幾乎與中國共產黨統治下的中國相當，出口量更是超越。

Japanese and American business supports Taiwan for more than ideological reasons.

日本和美國的企業支持臺灣，原因不只在於意識形態。

The Tatung Company of Taipei makes and assembles computer components.

臺北的聲寶公司製造並組裝電腦零件。

Their main customer is the International Business Machine Company.

The girls on the assembly line in Taipei, all high school graduates, earn $50 a month, a very good salary in Taiwan.

在臺北的生產線上的女孩們，都是高中畢業生，月收入50美元，這在臺灣是非常優渥的薪水。

So long as outside production costs are high and Taiwanese production costs are low, Chiang's China will continue to prosper.

只要外部生產成本高昂，而臺灣的生產成本低廉，蔣的中國將持續繁榮。

But with China's great grab of the 20th century, they've carried with them the deeply rooted culture of the 10th.

但是，隨著中國在二十世紀的巨大發展，他們也承襲了根深蒂固的十世紀文化。

In the mornings in Taipei, just as in Shanghai and Nanking, the men rise early and gather in public places for the ancient art of shadow boxing.

在臺北的早晨，就像在上海和南京一樣，男士們會早起聚集在公共場所，練習古老的太極拳。

It is part exercise, part dance, as spiritual as it is physical, totally at odds with the sweaty Anglo Saxon version of keeping in shape, but

這是一部分運動，一部分舞蹈，既有精神層面，也有體能層面，完全不同於流汗的盎格魯撒克遜式的健身方式，但

In Taiwan, they claim to be the repository of China's cultural tradition that the Communists have rejected the richness of the past.

在臺灣，他們聲稱是中國文化傳統的保存者，而共產黨則拒絕了過去的豐富性。

Some validity to it, perhaps, during the wild excesses of the Cultural Revolution.

或許在文化大革命的瘋狂時期，這點有些道理。

But even then, when I was in Mao's China, I found that centuries of tradition could not be erased by any Marxist Maoist doctrine, not in a country where individual old age is revered as scholarly wisdom, which perhaps explains why both Chairman Mao and Generalissimo Chang have both held power for so long.

但即使在那時，當我在毛澤東的中國時，我發現幾世紀的傳統無法被任何馬克思列寧主義學說抹去，尤其是在一個重視個人老年被視為學術智慧的國家，這或許解釋了為何毛主席和蔣總司令都能長期掌權。

Of all the virtues, the Chinese place most value on education.

在所有美德中，中國人最重視教育。

In Taiwan, history classes stressed the great cultural superiority of China in the 11th century, while most of Europe fumbled through the darkness of the Middle Ages.

在臺灣，歷史課強調中國在十一世紀的文化優越性，而當時歐洲大部分地區仍在黑暗的中世紀摸索。

On the mainland, I watched a similar class discuss the same subject, the Song Dynasty.

在中國大陸，我觀看了一個類似的班級討論同一個主題，宋朝。

But the stress was on the talent of the great proletarian masses whose artistry flowered.

但重點是偉大無產階級群體的才能，他們的藝術在此綻放。

The teachers proclaimed despite the despotism of the landlords in Taiwan they gloss over the history of the past 25 years.

老師們宣稱，儘管臺灣地主專制，他們卻對過去二十五年的歷史輕描淡寫。

Even so there is great pride in the modern achievements of the Chinese people no matter where they were made Mixed with a certain bitterness when they are made on the mainland.

即便如此，中國人民無論在哪裡取得的現代成就，都讓他們感到非常自豪，但若是在中國大陸取得的，則會夾雜著一絲苦澀。

Of course there is a common pride you see in Chinese.

當然，你們會看到一種共同的自豪感，是屬於中國人的。

The pride of the culture of their forbearers.

It's not a pride of just being a Chinese.

這不是單純身為中國人的驕傲。

Whether he's educated or under educated, he's very.

無論他受過教育與否，他都很...

The pride is only of our culture and civilization.

自豪感僅在於我們的文化與文明。

James Wei runs the government's information office for Taiwan.

James Wei 負責臺灣政府的資訊局。

He escaped the mainland along with Chang and his army 22 years ago.

他跟蔣介石和他的軍隊在22年前從中國大陸逃出來。

He now helps to sell Taiwan's image of abroad.

他現在協助向國外推銷臺灣的形象。

Don't you tell me that Mao Zedong is respected by.

你不能跟我說毛澤東受到尊敬。

By the other world, by the other countries?

受到全世界、受到其他國家的尊敬？

No, he's despised upon but since he claimed to have this nuclear weapon and 700 million.

沒有，他被鄙視，但因為他聲稱擁有核武和七億人口。

Actually he has 700 million enemies, you see and then you see boost him up like a big fellow.

其實他有七億個敵人，你看，然後你又把他捧成一個大人物。

The more he claimed of the civil the population on the mainland the more he has the enemy to us we deeply confident of that.

他在中國大陸聲稱的人口越多，他就越多敵人，我們對這一點深信不疑。