Name: 拜登政府二把手遭質疑！巴什就川普在愛普斯坦案文件及唐·萊蒙被捕一事，向副總檢察長發動猛烈攻勢！ (Bash presses Deputy AG on Trump in Epstein files, Don Lemon arrest)
Uploaded: 2026-02-02T17:06:12.000Z
Duration: 11 min

Here with me now is Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche.

陪我一起的，是副檢察總長 Todd Blanche。

Thank you so much for joining me this morning.

I want, I want to start with the Epstein files.

我想，我想先從 Epstein 檔案開始談。

Elon Musk, who is mentioned in some of these files, wrote, quote, what matters is not the release of some subset of Epstein files, but

Elon Musk，他被提到在這些檔案裡，他寫道，重點不是釋出 Epstein 檔案的某個子集，而是

rather the prosecution of those who committed heinous crimes.

When there is at least one arrest, some justice will have been done.

當至少有一個逮捕行動時，一些正義就得以伸張。

If not, this is all performative, nothing but a distracted distraction.

如果不是這樣，這一切都只是表演，只是轉移注意力的手段。

Is the Department of Justice considering bringing any additional charges here?

司法部有沒有考慮在這裡提出任何額外的指控？

Well, look, I can't talk about any investigations, but

嗯，你看，我不能談論任何調查，但是

I will say the following, which is that in July, the Department of justice said that we had reviewed the files, the, quote, Epstein files, and

我只能說，司法部在七月時表示，我們已經審查了這些 Epstein 檔案，

there was nothing in there that allowed us to prosecute anybody.

裡面沒有任何內容能讓我們起訴任何人。

We then released over three and a half million pieces of paper, which the entire world can look at now and see if we got it wrong.

我們隨後釋出了超過三百五十萬頁的資料，全世界現在都可以去看看，看我們有沒有做錯。

And I respectfully disagree with that statement.

We were ordered to do so by Congress and then by the President of the United States, and

我們是接到國會的命令，然後是美國總統的命令，

And, and let me, you know, I said it on Friday.

This, this Justice Department, the FBI, dhs, we have gone after more sex traffickers, more child pornographers, more men who have done harm to children and young women than any administration in history.

這個司法部、FBI、DHS，我們起訴的性販運者、兒童色情製品販運者，以及傷害兒童和年輕女性的男性，比史上任何政府都多。

And so we need to separate those two ideas.

所以我們需要把這兩件事分開來看。

The fact that there's the Epstein files and whether there's anybody we can go after, and

關於 Epstein 檔案，以及我們是否能對任何人採取行動，

the work that we are doing every day, which is extraordinary, and we will continue to do that.

還有我們每天都在做的、非常傑出的工作，我們會繼續這樣做。

Among these new files is a list compiled by the FBI just in August of numerous salacious, and, to be really clear, unverified allegations about President Trump.

這些新檔案中，有一份是 FBI 在八月剛整理出來的清單，裡面列了許多關於川普總統的煽情，而且要說清楚，是未經證實的指控。

Why did the FBI create this list last year and have all of these claims been investigated by the doj?

為什麼 FBI 在去年會製作這份清單，而且 DOJ 有沒有調查過這些說法？

So, look, it's not about President Trump.

所以，你看，這不是關於川普總統。

It's about a ton of people, multiple, multiple, multiple people that, that were, quote, in the Epstein files.

而是關於許多人，很多很多、很多很多，他們被說是在 Epstein 檔案裡。

And what I think folks will see when they review the materials we released is that there have been hundreds of calls made to the FBI where allegations are made by either anonymous individuals or people who are very quickly determined to not be credible, whether it's the nature of what they're saying or the fact they won't provide any information or corroboration.

我認為大家在審閱我們發布的資料時，會看到有數百通電話打給 FBI，裡面有匿名人士或很快就被判定為不可信的人提出的指控，無論是他們說話的性質，或是他們不提供任何資訊或佐證的事實。

Former CNN anchor Don Lemon and another journalist, Georgia Fort, were arrested on Friday on charges they violated federal law during a tense protest At a Minnesota church, a conservative federal judge, somebody who clerked for Antonin Scalia, already had rejected those warrants and wrote that there is no evidence that those two engaged in any criminal behavior or conspired to do so.

前 CNN 主播 Don Lemon 和另一位記者 Georgia Fort，週五在明尼蘇達州一間教堂的緊張抗議活動中，因涉嫌違反聯邦法律而被逮捕。一位保守派聯邦法官，曾為 Antonin Scalia 擔任書記官，先前已駁回了逮捕令，並寫道，沒有證據顯示這兩人有任何犯罪行為或共謀犯罪。

Then an appeals court held up that decision.

然後，上訴法院維持了該判決。

Why did you then bring this case to a grand jury after it already had been rejected by multiple judges?

那麼，為什麼在多位法官已經駁回此案後，你還要將此案提交給大陪審團？

So, first of all, that appeals court, that's you're not right.

嗯，首先，那個上訴法院，你說的不對。

The appeals court, a judge on the appeals court said that there was clearly probable cause.

上訴法院的一位法官說，顯然有相當的理由。

There was absolutely probable cause that a crime had been committed.

有絕對的相當理由相信已犯下罪行。

And so, yes, you're right, a judge in that court had said there wasn't probable cause.

所以，是的，你說得對，那位法官說沒有相當理由。

But guess what system doesn't allow judges to make that decision.

但你知道哪個系統不允許法官做這個決定嗎？

They can make that decision to get an arrest warrant on a complaint, but

他們可以根據投訴做出逮捕令的決定，但是

We went to a grand jury, which, as you know, are 25 citizens from Minneapolis and around that decide whether there's probable cause.

我們去了一個大陪審團，你知道的，他們是來自 Minneapolis 和周邊地區的 25 位公民，來決定是否有相當理由。

Actually, I went through the entire indictment, all 29 alleged overt acts of conspiracy.

其實，我仔細看完了整份起訴書，所有 29 項指控的共謀行為。

And there's a lot of to ask you about, but

Starting with overt act number 20, which says, quote, defendant Lemon told his livestream audience about congregants leaving the church and about a young man who Lemon could see was frightened, scared and crying.

從第 20 項指控開始，上面寫著，被告 Lemon 告訴他的直播觀眾，關於教友們離開教堂，以及一個他看得出來很害怕、很恐懼、在哭泣的年輕人。

And Lemon observed that the congregants reactions were understandable because the experience was traumatic and uncomfortable, which he said was the purpose.

而 Lemon 也觀察到教友們的反應是可以理解的，因為這段經歷很創傷、很不舒服，他說這就是目的。

Overt Act 21 says, quote, as the operation continued, defendant Lemon acknowledged the nature of it by expressing surprise that the police hadn't yet arrived at the church and admitted knowing that the whole point of the operation was to disrupt.

第 21 項指控寫著，隨著行動的進行，被告 Lemon 承認了行動的性質，他驚訝警方為何還沒抵達教堂，並承認知道這次行動的重點就是要製造混亂。

Why wouldn't a jury at trial see this as a journalist observing what is happening, which is protected by the first Amendment?

為什麼陪審團在審判時，不會認為這是一名記者在觀察正在發生的事情，這受到美國憲法第一修正案的保護呢？

Well, you conveniently left out multiple allegations in that indictment about what else Mr.

嗯，你很巧妙地省略了起訴書中關於 Lemon 先生還做了哪些事的許多指控，包括偷偷地迴避說他們要去哪裡、參與了計畫、參與了確保警方不知道這件事正在發生，以及聯邦執法單位不知道這件事正在發生的決定。

Lemon did, including surreptitiously avoiding saying where they were going, being part of the planning, being part of the decisions to make sure the police didn't know this was happening and federal law enforcement didn't know this is happening.

He gets to have a lawyer and he gets to have a defense.

他可以有律師，也可以有辯護。

And so if he wants to go forward with the defense at shucks.

所以如果他想以「我只是個記者」為辯護理由的話。

But obviously, as the indictment lays out and which you didn't read on the air, there's a lot of things that Mr.

但是很明顯，就像起訴書裡寫的，而你沒有在節目上唸出來，Lemon 先生做了很多你身為記者絕對不會做的事。

Lemon did that you would never do as a journalist.

This is about what happened, and this is about kind of the rules of the road.

這是關於發生的事，也是關於基本的規則。

There are countless examples of when reporters are embedded with people with, you know, dod, where we are told not to tell anybody where we're going.

記者們被派駐在一些單位，像是 DHS，但我們卻被告知不能透露行蹤，這種情況不勝枚舉。

There are numerous examples of when we get embargoed information that we can't report from your agency, for example, and

也有很多時候，我們收到來自你們單位（舉例來說）的禁運資訊，是我們不能報導的。

that has happened on with presidents in both parties, and

這種情況在兩黨的總統任內都發生過，

we withhold reporting it until you say it's time to report it.

我們會等到你們說可以報導時，才發布消息。

That's not unusual, and it's not unlike what happened with Don Lemon and Georgia Ford.

這並不罕見，也跟 Don Lemon 和 Georgia Ford 的情況差不多。

You are totally correct that that happens every day, and it's happened for decades.

你完全說對了，這種事每天都在發生，而且已經持續幾十年了。

And I do not want to have a trial right here, it's not fair to him.

我不想在這裡開庭審理，這對他很不公平。

If you watch the publicly available live streaming that he engaged in, the comments that he made, I mean, that's what it matters, right?

如果你看看他公開參與的直播，他說的話，我的意思是，這才是重點，對吧？

It matters like how do we balance the Face Act?

這就像我們該如何平衡《臉部法案》？

How do we balance freedom of religion and the right of people to worship on a Sunday morning, okay?

我們該如何平衡宗教自由和人們在週日早上禮拜的權利，好嗎？

And the freedom of the press, and it's a balance that we have to engage in.

以及新聞自由，這是一個我們必須去處理的平衡。

my point to you is that I promise you that neither you nor your colleagues can honestly, with a straight face, if you watch everything that he did the day before with the planning and the day of with what happened, the comments he made while the kids were crying and screaming and racing away while the parents were looking for their children upstairs, but

我的重點是，我向你保證，你和你的同事們，如果你看了他前一天所做的一切規劃，以及當天發生的事情，孩子們哭喊著跑開，而父母在樓上尋找孩子時，他所說的話，你不可能誠實地、一本正經地說出。

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