Name: 移民局帶走5歲男童，滯留德州收容所！ (5-year-old boy taken by ICE is being held at Texas facility)
Uploaded: 2026-01-23T17:06:06.000Z
Duration: 10 min 42 s

This is five year old Liam Conejo Romas being taken by ICE agents in his family's driveway after getting home from preschool on Tuesday.

這是在週二，五歲的 Liam Conejo Romas 放學回家後，在自家車道上被 ICE agents 帶走的畫面。

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Now, what exactly led up to this moment is in dispute tonight.

現在，究竟是什麼導致了這一刻，大家說法不一。

Here's what the Department of Homeland Security is saying, that they were targeting the boy's father, who is from Ecuador.

美國國土安全部 (DHS) 是這麼說的，他們原本的目標是這名男孩的父親，他來自厄瓜多。

But when ICE agents approached them in the driveway, DHS says the dad took off and quote, fled on foot, abandoning his child.

但 DHS 表示，當 ICE agents 在車道上接近他們時，爸爸卻跑掉了，還「棄子逃跑」。

The father was eventually apprehended and both were taken into custody together, the father and the son.

最後，爸爸被逮捕了，父子倆一起被帶回拘留。

The school district released a video of that moment showing the chaotic scene that many people in Minneapolis say has become all too familiar since those 3,000 federal immigration agents have arrived in their city.

校區公佈了一段當時的影片，畫面混亂，許多明尼亞波利斯市民表示，自從那 3,000 名聯邦移民官員抵達後，這種情況已經變得太常見了。

It's a story that even the vice President acknowledged today sounded terrible when he first heard it.

這件事連副總統今天都承認，他一開始聽到時覺得非常糟糕。

But while he was in Minneapolis on the ground today, JD Vance argued that after learning more about what happened in the video that you saw, he says the child's detention was justified.

但今天 JD Vance 在明尼亞波利斯現場時，他認為在看了你們剛剛看到的影片後，他覺得這名孩童被拘留是正當的。

I see this story and I'm a father of a five year old, actually

我看到這個故事，我本身也是一個五歲小孩的爸爸

a five year old little boy, and I think to myself, oh my God, this is terrible.

一個五歲的小男孩，我心裡想，天啊，這太糟糕了。

我們怎麼會逮捕一個五歲小孩？

Well, I do a little bit more follow up research and what I find is that the five year old was not arrested, that his dad was an illegal alien and then they went, when they went to arrest his illegal alien father, the father ran.

嗯，我做了更多後續研究，我發現這名五歲小孩並沒有被逮捕，他的爸爸是非法移民，當他們要去逮捕他那位非法移民的爸爸時，爸爸跑了。

So the story is that ICE detained a five year old.

所以故事是 ICE 拘留了一名五歲小孩。

Are they supposed to let a five year old child freeze to death?

他們應該讓一個五歲小孩凍死嗎？

Are they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in the United States?

他們不應該在美國逮捕非法移民嗎？

Now attorneys for the family are arguing tonight that they have an active case, an active asylum case and therefore they are in the country legally.

現在這家人的律師今晚爭辯說，他們有一個正在進行的案件，一個庇護案件，是以他們是合法居留的。

They also say the dad here has no criminal record.

他們也說，這位爸爸沒有犯罪紀錄。

And what we do know also from school district officials as we're still trying to learn more about this, is that Liam is one of four of their students who have been detained by ICE in the last few weeks.

而且我們從學區官員那裡得知，因為我們還在努力瞭解更多資訊，Liam 是這幾週被 ICE 拘留的四名學生之一。

The school board chair who witnessed Liam's detention today rejected how the vice president justified what happened.

今天目擊 Liam 被拘留的學區主席，駁斥了副總統對事件的辯護。

His mom, like there are people here that can take him.

他的媽媽，這裡有人可以帶他。

There was another adult who lived in the home that was there saying, I will take the child, I will take the child.

家裡還有另一位大人在那裡說，我會帶走孩子，我會帶走孩子。

They saw that I was there and said, school is here, they can take the child, you don't have to take them.

他們看到我在那裡，就說，學校在這裡，他們可以帶走孩子，你們不用帶走他們。

And there was ample opportunity to be able to safely hand that child off to adults.

而且有充裕的機會可以安全地將孩子交給大人。

She saw out the window and dad was yelling, please do not open the door.

她從窗戶往外看，爸爸在喊，拜託不要開門。

We know Liam and his father are being held at an ICE facility in Texas this evening.

我們知道 Liam 和他的父親今晚在德州的 ICE facility 被拘留。

And this comes as the Justice Department also announced today that they have arrested the three people who interrupted a church service in St.

而就在今天，司法部也宣佈逮捕了三名在聖保羅教堂禮拜時打斷儀式的人。

They were there protesting a pastor who appears to be a top ICE official in the Twin Cities.

他們在那裡抗議一位牧師，這位牧師似乎是雙子城的一位 ICE 高官。

And the Department of Homeland Security shared the images of all the protesters who were arrested.

國土安全部分享了所有被捕抗議者的照片。

And then the White House account, though, shared one that stood out.

不過，白宮帳號分享了一張特別突出的照片。

That's because it's a fake version of one of those photos.

這是因為那是一張那些照片的偽造版本。

The White House implicitly confirmed to CNN that it did in fact alter alter this photo and knowingly posted it because officials directed us when we asked about the tweet to another post from a spokesperson that says enforcement of the law will continue.

白宮向 CNN 默認，他們確實修改了這張照片，並且知道是這樣發布的，因為官員們在我們詢問這則推文時，引導我們去看發言人發布的另一則貼文，該貼文表示執法行動將會繼續。

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

That side by side tonight and also as we are trying to learn more is what leads us to our lead source tonight, the Democratic senator from Minnesota, Tennis Smith, who has been very outspoken about all of this.

今晚並排比較，同時我們也在努力瞭解更多資訊，這引導我們找到今晚的主要消息來源，來自明尼蘇達州的民主黨參議員 Tennis Smith，他對這一切都非常直言不諱。

And so Senator, it's great to have you back here given obviously what's been happening in your home state these last few weeks.

參議員，很高興你能回來，因為顯然過去幾週在你家鄉發生了很多事。

I want to start though this five year old who's been who's now in ICE custody with his father tonight.

我想先從這位五歲的孩子開始，他現在和他的父親一起被 ICE 拘留。

What, if anything, have you heard about what happened here?

關於這裡發生的事，你聽說了什麼嗎？

Well, I spoke with the attorney for this family first thing this morning.

嗯，我今天一早和這家人的律師談過了。

And of course what they've said is what the eyewitnesses there at the scene said, which is that there were adults there that were prepared to take this child.

當然，他們說的和現場目擊者說的一樣，就是現場有大人準備要帶走這個孩子。

It's also really important to understand that this father, the man is not illegal.

還有，很重要的一點是，這位爸爸，這位先生並不是非法移民。

He is actively seeking asylum in this country.

他正在積極地在這個國家尋求庇護。

So we have yet another example of somebody who is here in the United States legally being detained and being shipped off to Texas, this time with his five year old child.

所以我們又看到一個例子，一個合法居留美國的人，卻被拘留，然後被送到德州，這次還帶著他五歲的孩子。

And I was so struck by what the superintendent of the Columbia Heights School District who is watched for of her students just in the last week's children be detained.

我對哥倫比亞高地學區總監說的話印象非常深刻，她上週才看著她的學生被拘留。

And she said we have whistles and they have guns.

她說，我們有哨子，他們有槍。

And the heartbreaking message there that these aggressive and sometimes violent ICE agencies are just agents are just trampling over people's rights.

這傳達了一個令人心碎的訊息，就是這些積極甚至有時帶有暴力的 ICE agents 正在踐踏人們的權利。

And here we have this five year old now in detention in Texas for absolutely no reason.

而我們現在卻看到這個五歲的孩子，在德州被拘留，完全沒有任何理由。

And you know, what the Department of Homeland Security is arguing is, and

你知道，國土安全部 (DHS) 的論點是，

this is part of their statement, we read part of it earlier in the introduction.

這是他們聲明的一部分，我們在開頭的介紹中已經讀過一部分了。

But they said our officers made multiple attempts to get the mother who was inside the house to take custody of her child.

但他們說，我們的官員曾多次嘗試讓屋內的母親帶走她的孩子。

They say officers even assured her they would not take her into custody.

他們說，官員甚至向她保證，不會將她逮捕。

She refused to accept custody, and the father told officers he wanted the child to remain with him.

她拒絕帶走孩子，而父親告訴官員，他希望孩子留在自己身邊。

Do you trust the version of what happened that is coming from the Department of Homeland Security tonight?

今晚，你相信國土安全部說的這套說法嗎？

It's very hard to trust anything they say when they are routinely breaking the law and going against people's fundamental constitutional protections.

當他們例行性地違法，並且違反人們基本的憲法保護時，要相信他們說的任何話都非常困難。

And you know, what I trust is the police chief of Minneapolis who talked about how trained law enforcement, when you have a situation where you have a young child in this kind of a very chaotic and scary environment, trained law enforcement enforcement know that their job is to de escalate.

你知道，我信任的是明尼亞波利斯的警長，他談到受過訓練的執法人員，當你遇到這種情況，有個年幼的孩子處在如此混亂又可怕的環境中，受過訓練的執法人員知道他們的工作是緩和局勢。

It is to make sure that the child isn't traumatized.

They are to figure out how to make sure that the child is in a safe place.

他們要設法確保孩子處在安全的地方。

And yet these, these federal agents do nothing like that.

但這些聯邦探員卻什麼都沒做。

And as a result, I mean, who knows what kind of, you know, disaster this is going to mean for this family.

結果呢，我不知道這對這個家庭來說，會造成什麼樣的災難。

And again, reinforcing this person, this father was in the United States legally.

而且，再次強調，這位父親是在美國合法居留的。

There was no reason to detain him or to send him hundreds away from his home at all.

根本沒有理由要拘留他，或是把他送到離家數百里遠的地方。

What did you make of the vice president's visit to your state today and what he said in Minneapolis while he was on the ground?

你怎麼看副總統今天到你州訪問，以及他在明尼亞波利斯時說了些什麼？

Well, you know, I was fearful that what the vice President was going to do was to sort of, you know, show up and have a press availability and not actually try to get to work to de escalate the situation and to try to find a solution.

嗯，你知道，我擔心副總統會做的是，你知道，出現並召開記者會，而不是真的努力去緩和局勢並試圖找到解決方案。

And, you know, certainly his rhetoric today was less hot than we have heard from, you know, other members of the administration at other times.

而且，你知道，他今天的言論確實比我們聽過的其他政府官員在其他時候的言論要緩和一些。

But, you know, the bottom line is that he continues to sort of spread this story that the administration is trying to push out there, that the streets of Minneapolis are unsafe and federal law enforcement is here to address that when that is entirely not the case.

但是，你知道，重點是，他繼續散播政府想要推廣的故事，說明尼亞波利斯的街道不安全，而且聯邦執法人員在這裡處理這個問題，但這完全不是事實。

In fact, what's making the streets of Minneapolis and the streets in Wilmer and other smaller towns around Minnesota unsafe are these ICE agents which are showing up and detaining, arresting United States citizens and people who are here legally.

事實上，讓明尼亞波利斯的街道以及威爾默和明尼蘇達州其他小鎮的街道變得不安全的是這些ICE agents，他們出現並拘留、逮捕美國公民和合法居留的人。

So I wish that the vice president and other members of the administration would actually get serious about talking about how to reduce the pressure in my state by reducing the number of agents that are out there creating all of this chaos.

所以我希望副總統和政府的其他成員能認真討論如何透過減少在那裡製造混亂的執法人員數量，來減輕我州的壓力。

And that would be a step in the right direction and something that people that I talked to today would, would be like, so grateful to see happen.

這將是朝正確方向邁出的一步，也是我今天與人們交談時，他們會非常感激看到發生的事情。

Senator Tina Smith, as always, I'm grateful for you for joining.

Tina Smith參議員，一如既往，感謝您加入。

And also, as we're looking into everything that happened here, we have two of our most in demand political sources as well.

而且，當我們在檢視這裡發生的所有事情時，我們還有兩位非常受歡迎的政治消息來源。

David Axelrod, who is a senior adviser to President Obama, of course, and

大衛·阿克塞羅德，他當然是歐巴馬總統的高級顧問，

Doug High, who's the communications director for the Republican National Committee.

以及共和黨全國委員會的傳播總監道格·海。

When we first look at this and we're hearing about this, when you see the images of the five year old, I think that is something that is so visceral for people to look at.

當我們第一次看到這個，聽到這個消息，看到那個五歲小孩的畫面時，我覺得那對人們來說是非常震撼的。

And even the vice president was saying, you know, when he first heard this, he was a little bit shocked by it.

甚至副總統也說過，你知道，他第一次聽到這件事時，他也有點震驚。

Are you reassured by anything that the Department of Homeland Security has said?

國土安全部說的，有讓你感到安心嗎？

I'm not, Caitlin, because of the track record.

我沒有，Caitlin，因為他們的過往紀錄。

You know, I'm informed by my experience as a Chicagoan.

你知道，我是以一個芝加哥人的經驗來判斷的。

I was around for Operation Midway Blitz in the fall in which the same forces of disorder showed up and we had the same kind of problems.

我經歷過秋季的「Midway Blitz」行動，那時候同樣的混亂勢力出現，我們也遇到了相同的問題。

The vice president said we didn't, we did in Chicago and the court stepped in.

副總統說我們沒有，但在芝加哥我們有，而且法院介入了。

And I just want to read you one thing that I think is an answer to your question.

我想讀一段話給你聽，我覺得這能回答你的問題。

In a 231 page decision, a ruling that a judge made there, she said that she couldn't trust DHS to tell the truth.

在一份長達 231 頁的判決書中，一位法官的裁決指出，她無法信任 DHS 會說實話。

Bovino appeared evasive over three days of his deposition.

Bovino 在三天的訊問中顯得閃爍其詞。

The guy who ran that operation and this one, either providing cute responses to plaintiffs counsel's questions or outright lying.

那個負責這次和上次行動的人，不是給予原告律師問題可愛的回答，就是直接撒謊。

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