Name: AI 亂象將引爆文化巨變？Chris Hayes 深度解析！ (A.I. Slop Will Crescendo Into A Cultural Shift - Chris Hayes)
Uploaded: 2026-01-08T17:16:27.000Z
Duration: 3 min 57 s

We're back with the author of the Sirens Call, Chris Hayes.

我們又請到 Sirens Call 的作者 Chris Hayes 了。

I want to talk about your book, the Sirens Call, the New York Times bestseller.

我想聊聊你的書，也就是紐約時報暢銷書 Sirens Call。

It tackles a modern problem that I suffer from of tech companies extracting our attention for profit.

它探討了一個我深受其害的現代問題，那就是科技公司為了利潤而提取我們的注意力。

You know, the old saw of like, if you don't know what they're selling, they're selling you.

你知道，那句老話說，如果你不知道他們在賣什麼，那就是你在被賣。

I would love to have the attention span to read a book of this length.

我真希望我有足夠的注意力廣度來讀完這麼長的書。

You said we're feeling a kind of rebellion last year, that breaking out against the dead end feeling that we have.

你說去年我們感受到一種反抗，一種對絕望感的反抗。

I think everywhere you look in the culture, there's this growing sense of alienation, which I think is a really correct term for the feeling we have that something that should be internal to us, that we control our attention, has been extracted from us and is now outside our control.

我認為，放眼文化各處，都有這種日益增長的疏離感，我認為這是個很貼切的詞，來形容我們那種感覺，原本應該由我們內在掌控、我們能控制的注意力，卻被提取走了，現在不受我們控制了。

And that alienation is manifesting itself in a kind of rebellious spirit against the kind of tech overlords.

而這種疏離感正以一種反叛精神表現出來，對抗著那些科技巨頭。

And particularly I think this term that has been coined, I think is so effective.

而且我特別覺得，這個被創造出來的詞，用起來非常貼切。

AI slope sure perfectly captures how people feel like that we're reduced to just pigs while they just like throw the buckets at us for us to like eat up.

AI 殘羹（slop）這個說法，完美地捕捉了人們的感受，覺得自己被貶低成豬，而他們只是把桶子丟給我們吃。

And the Internet through AI, the Internet feeds on the Internet.

而網路透過 AI，網路正在吞噬網路。

And so much of what you're seeing has already been pre digested.

而且你看到的大部分東西都已經是預消化過的了。

I think again, it's early days of this and I think it will be a kind of epococcus cultural shift when it really crescendos, is a desire for the real and for the human and for the embodied and for the attended to.

而且我認為，這還只是初期階段，我認為當它真正達到頂峰時，會是一種 epococcus 的文化轉變，那就是對真實、對人性、對具體、對被關注的渴望。

And everywhere you look in the culture, you're feeling these emanations of it, even as we sit and we feel addicted to our phones and we fight the impulse.

而且你放眼望去，文化中處處都感受得到這種影響，即使我們坐在這裡，覺得手機成癮，並努力抵抗這種衝動。

There's only so long you can sell a product to people or give people a product that they have come to hate.

你不可能永遠賣給人們一個他們已經開始憎恨的產品。

I don't have a brick, but do you know what I'm talking about?

我沒有磚頭，但你知道我在說什麼嗎？

Yeah, yeah, you can buy a product now that'll keep you from the part of your phone that they're harvesting your attention on.

沒錯，沒錯，你現在可以買個產品，讓你避開手機裡那些正在竊取你注意力的部分。

Which is more evidence, I think, that people are waking up to the idea that we need help to fight against these people who are extracting our brains.

我認為這更證明瞭，大家開始意識到我們需要幫助來對抗這些正在榨取我們大腦的科技巨頭。

And the first moment of the book is the story of Odysseus about to set sail past the sirens who want to lure him with this beguiling song to his death and tying himself to the mast to resist the urges.

而書中的第一個時刻，是奧德修斯準備啟航經過塞壬女妖的故事，塞壬女妖想用迷人的歌聲引誘他走向死亡，他把自己綁在桅杆上以抵抗誘惑。

And that moment of volition, that moment of autonomy, that moment of reasserting your own will in the face of things that want to take it from you, that's the genesis of the book.

而那種自主的時刻，那種自主的時刻，那種在你想要的東西要將其奪走時，重新確立自己意志的時刻，這就是這本書的開端。

It's the genesis, I think, of that, of the product, the brick, and

我認為這就是那個產品、那個磚塊的開端，

I think the genesis of a cultural moment and a political moment that we're going to see only expand day after day, month after month, year after year.

我認為這是一個文化時刻和政治時刻的開端，而且這個時刻只會一天比一天、一個月比一個月、一年比一年地擴大。

His book the Sirens Call is out now in paperback.

他的書 Sirens Call 現已推出平裝版。

We'll be right back with Natalie Portman and the Colbert questionnaire.

我們馬上回來，將有 Natalie Portman 和 Colbert 的問答。