Name: 司法部扣留了比法律要求更多的愛潑斯坦檔案！ ('Release all the files': DOJ withheld more Epstein files than law requires)
Uploaded: 2025-12-20T23:27:20.000Z
Duration: 10 min 20 s

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Now, I had a little hesitancy on that word because it's only part a DOJ releasing a mass dump of a heavily redacted documents tonight.

關於「公佈」這個詞，我其實有點猶豫，因為這只是司法部今晚大量釋出、經過大量刪節文件的其中一部分。

程度副詞

By heavily redacted, I mean a lot of pages that look like this and this and this and this and this.

所謂大量刪節，我的意思是，很多頁面看起來像這樣、這樣、這樣、這樣、這樣。

And that's all I was going to do to the printer to make the point.

我只是想印出來給大家看，來強調這一點。

We have teams across CNN going through what was released right now in terms of pages that are not quite as black as these.

CNN 的團隊正在審閱目前已公佈的文件，其中有些頁面不像這些這麼黑。

But the DOJ is admitting in a letter to Congress that the files are not complete, separate from the redactions themselves.

但司法部在一封給國會的信中承認，這些文件並不完整，這與刪節本身無關。

And that lack of completion is a big problem because a deadline by law, thanks to Congress forcing Trump's hand on the Epstein files is today.

而這種不完整性是個大問題，因為根據國會迫使川普處理艾普斯坦文件的法律，今天的截止日期到了。

Now, the key Republican who is behind getting that law passed is Congressman Thomas Massie and he's posting on social media tonight, quote, unfortunately, today's document released by AG Pam Bondi and Deputy AG Todd Blanche grossly fails to comply with both the spirit and the letter of the law that Donald Trump signed just 30 days ago.

現在，推動這項法律通過的關鍵共和黨人是國會議員 Thomas Massie，他今晚在社群媒體上發文說，引述，不幸的是，總檢察長 Pam Bondi 和副總檢察長 Todd Blanche 今天公佈的文件，嚴重未能遵守唐納·川普在 30 天前簽署的法律的精神和文字。

And Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene said, quote, release all the files.

國會議員 Marjorie Taylor Greene 則說，引述，公佈所有檔案。

Well, they did not and they have not yet.

嗯，他們沒有，而且到目前為止也還沒有。

The White House saying tonight that it did not receive the Epstein documents that were released by the Department of Justice before the release.

白宮今晚表示，在司法部公佈愛潑斯坦文件之前，他們並未收到這些文件。

So they're saying that they weren't involved with what the DOJ chose to put out today.

所以他們說，他們沒有參與司法部今天選擇公佈的內容。

But the Justice Department did brief the White House on what the documents contained.

但司法部確實向白宮簡報了文件內容。

So what do we actually have tonight on the pages that aren't black as the country starts to shut down and check out for the end of your holiday time?

那麼，在國家開始關閉並準備迎接假期時間的尾聲時，我們今晚實際上看到的是哪些沒有被塗黑的頁面呢？

We do have some apparently never before released documents along with thousands of files that were already public.

我們確實有一些據稱是前所未見的文件，以及數千份已經公開的檔案。

The redactions, of course, and a whole bunch of pictures of Bill Clinton.

當然，還有一些刪節內容，以及大量比爾·柯林頓的照片。

Now, among the never before released documents is this photo of Bill Clinton he is with.

而在這些從未公開的文件中，有這張比爾·柯林頓的照片，他和誰在一起。

Epstein got a print out of that one as well.

愛潑斯坦也拿到了一份這張照片的列印本。

And then a photo of a shirtless Clinton in a Jacuzzi next to another person whose face is redacted.

然後是一張柯林頓赤裸上身、坐在按摩浴缸裡，旁邊還有一個臉部被刪節的人的照片。

And a photo of Clinton swimming in a pool with Ghislaine Maxwell and another woman whose face is redacted.

還有一張柯林頓和吉斯蘭·麥斯威爾以及另一位臉部被刪節的女性在泳池裡游泳的照片。

Now, it's important to note Clinton has not been accused by law enforcement of any wrongdoing related to Epstein.

現在，很重要的一點是，柯林頓並未被執法部門指控與愛潑斯坦有任何不當行為。

And a Clinton spokesperson posting on social media tonight, the White House hasn't been hiding these files for months, only to dump them late on a Friday to Protect Bill Clinton.

柯林頓的發言人今晚在社群媒體上發文表示，白宮並非隱藏這些檔案數月，然後在週五晚間才一次性公佈來保護比爾·柯林頓。

This is about shielding themselves from what comes next or from what they'll try and hide forever.

這是為了保護他們自己，免受接下來會發生的事，或是他們永遠想隱藏的事。

Now, as for Trump himself, he didn't want to talk about the files today.

至於川普本人，他今天不想談論這些檔案。

He refused to take questions about anything today when he appeared in public to announce a drug pricing order.

他在公開宣佈藥品定價命令時，拒絕回答任何問題。

I won't even take questions today because there's no way I can take questions that are anywhere comparable to what you just witnessed.

我今天甚至不回答問題，因為我無法回答任何能與你們剛才看到的相比的問題。

To be clear, what he's talking about and what we just witnessed was an announcement from Trump about drug prices.

清楚來說，他剛才說的以及我們剛才看到的，是川普關於藥品定價的宣佈。

MJ Lee has been going through the files such that we have them.

MJ Lee 一直在審閱這些檔案，所以我們才會有這些。

And MJ look, you know, we got these photos, we got lots of redactions, lots of things missing.

MJ，你看，我們拿到這些照片，很多地方被刪節了，很多東西都沒了。

But there are still, you know, many, many pages of documents that you are able to look through.

但還是有，你知道，很多很多頁的檔案，你可以去查看。

Yeah, Erin, as we are going through these thousands and thousands of pages of documents and photos to try to figure out what's new, what's exactly significant, are there people of interest that we should be taking note of?

是的，Erin，當我們在審閱這數千數千頁的檔案和照片，試圖找出什麼是新的、什麼是真正重要的，有沒有我們應該注意的人物？

That this is just a partial release of the so called Epstein files from the doj.

這是司法部所謂的愛潑斯坦檔案的其中一部分釋出。

And what's interesting is that Todd Blanche has essentially informed Congress as of this afternoon that this is happening in this way because of the sheer volume of the documents that we are talking about.

有趣的是，Todd Blanche 在今天下午已經告知國會，之所以會這樣是因為我們談論的檔案數量實在太龐大了。

And what he essentially communicated is that we needed more time to figure out what information needed to be redacted, including on some information that the agency got recently.

他大致上傳達的意思是，我們需要更多時間來弄清楚哪些資訊需要被刪節，包括一些該機構最近才收到的資訊。

Now, one thing that is interesting is that he made clear in this communication to Congress that they made a decision to withhold and redact information that goes beyond what is stated in the law.

現在，有趣的一點是，他在給國會的這份聲明中明確表示，他們做了一個決定，要保留和刪節的資訊超出了法律規定的範圍。

And just as a reminder, what is stated in the law is that there are five categories of information that can be redacted.

提醒一下，法律規定有五類資訊是可以被刪節的。

That includes identifying information about the victims.

And just scrolling through these documents, you can tell, you know, there are photos where there is a black box over a woman's face that clearly falls under that category.

而且，光是看這些文件，妳就知道，有些照片裡女人的臉被黑盒子蓋住了，這顯然屬於這一類。

But there are other examples as well, like child sex abuse, anything that shows physical abuse, anything that could hurt an ongoing investigation, something that could hurt national security.

但也有其他例子，像是兒童性虐待、任何顯示身體虐待的內容，任何可能傷害正在進行的調查，或是可能損害國家安全的內容。

But the fact that there are going to be more documents coming out on a rolling basis and that still so many redactions, again beyond what the law originally stated is going to have huge political ramifications.

但文件會陸續釋出，而且還有這麼多刪節，又超出了法律原本規定的範圍，這將會產生巨大的政治影響。

And I also think we should talk about the ramifications that that is going to have on the survivors, because one of the things that the survivors are very much looking for in a big picture way as they go through these files is a sense of a better understanding of why some of these internal decisions over the course of many years were made, including, you know, what charges did the department decide to not bring on certain people?

我也覺得我們應該談談這對倖存者會造成的影響，因為倖存者在看這些檔案時，他們非常希望能夠更清楚地瞭解，為什麼這麼多年來會做出這些內部決定，包括，你知道，司法部決定不起訴某些人，是基於什麼考量？

What were the decision making processes that took took place over the course of many years that they've never gotten the answer to.

過去這麼多年來，他們一直沒有得到答案的決策過程是什麼。

So this is going to be sort of a long running process.

所以這將會是一個漫長的過程。

And I can tell you with certainty that survivors are not going to be happy about what they are going to see as still the continued lack of transparency here.

我可以肯定地告訴妳，倖存者對於他們看到的持續缺乏透明度，絕對不會感到高興。

All right, thank you very much, MJ Lee, and everyone's here with me now.

好的，非常感謝 MJ Lee，現在大家都在我身邊了。

Saber Levine, obviously, you know, you've been covering this for years and you've pushed every night here for the files to be released.

Saber Levine，很明顯，你知道，你多年來一直在報導這件事，而且你每晚都在這裡推動文件釋出。

So the day comes, the deadline comes, and we get some stuff, we get some new stuff, we get a lot of stuff we already knew.

所以日子來了，截止日期到了，我們拿到了一些東西，我們拿到了一些新的東西，我們拿到很多我們已經知道的東西。

And when it comes to men, we get a lot of pictures of Bill Clinton.

至於男人，我們拿到很多比爾·柯林頓的照片。

Yeah, Aaron, apparently there's about 10% of the actual FBI files that were released today.

對啊，Aaron，顯然今天釋出的實際 FBI 文件大約只有 10%。

And 5% of that, 5% of the 10 we already had.

而這 10% 的 5%，也就是我們已經有的 5%。

So we're receiving for the most part, very little.

所以我們收到的，大部分來說，非常少。

And you know, it's already been playing politics in the sense of putting out pictures of Bill Clinton.

而且你知道，這已經在玩政治了，像是放出比爾·柯林頓的照片。

You have to wonder if the DOJ has assigned Jay Clayton at the SDNY to investigate Clinton and other Democratic enemies of President Trump, why are they showing all of these photos of Bill Clinton?

你不得不懷疑，司法部是不是指派了紐約南區的傑·克萊頓去調查柯林頓和川普總統的其他民主黨敵人，為什麼他們要放出這麼多比爾·柯林頓的照片？

You would think that would be part of the investigation.

你會認為那應該是調查的一部分。

We did learn that there's 1,200 victims more than we initially thought from the DOJ.

我們確實得知，司法部說受害者比我們最初想的多了 1,200 人。

The DOJ also said, and this is most important to me and I think the survivors DOJ communications on investigations into Epstein and his associates and details of any immunity deals.

司法部也表示，這對我來說最重要，而且我認為對倖存者來說也是，關於對愛潑斯坦及其同夥的調查以及任何豁免協議的細節的司法部溝通。

And so I'm looking for the FD 302 forms, which are the FBI witness reports that Representative Tom Massie says pertains to 20 men that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked these children to.

所以我正在尋找 FD 302 表格，也就是眾議員湯姆·馬西說與傑弗瑞·愛潑斯坦販運這些兒童的 20 名男子有關的 FBI 證人報告。

And from the initial look that I made earlier, I don't see any of the 302 forums.

從我之前初步看過的，我沒有看到任何 302 表格。

However, we may see them in a later document dump.

不過，我們可能會在之後的文件釋出中看到它們。

I mean, Stacey, just to state the obvious here, just definitionally impossible that it's random what we got today.

我的意思是，Stacey，就說顯而易見的，我們今天收到的東西，從定義上來說就不可能是隨機的。

If you're putting out 10%, someone's making a decision on what that 10% is.

如果你放出 10%，就有人決定這 10% 是什麼。

And it seems like Todd Blanche is the propped up announcer of it.

而且看起來 Todd Blanche 是被推出來的發言人。

But to Barry's point, it's so significant that President Trump directed Pam Bondi to investigate Bill Clinton directly, named him in a social media post along with other Democrats, and then she answered the call and appointed a U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York to investigate.

不過說到 Barry 的重點，川普總統訓示 Pam Bondi 直接調查柯林頓，並在社群媒體上與其他民主黨人一起點名他，然後她回應了這個呼籲，並任命了紐約南區的一位美國檢察官進行調查，這點非常重要。

And the of the Justice Department is you don't release anything related to an ongoing investigation, especially photographs about the subject of an ongoing investigation.

司法部規定，你不能釋出任何與正在進行的調查有關的內容，尤其是關於正在調查對象的照片。

And obviously, it seems to be a disingenuous subject being Bill Clinton being ordered to be investigated at this late stage of the game.

顯然，在遊戲的後期階段，命令調查柯林頓，這似乎是一個虛偽的行為。

It certainly did seem targeted at the time and still does.

當時看起來確實是針對性的，現在也是。

But why would they go against their own policies and then release Bill Clinton's photos?

但他們為什麼要違反自己的政策，然後釋出柯林頓的照片？

It's kind of makes a farce of this entire situation.

If your whole point, if you were going to hide behind an ongoing investigation, the one that you've got going is into Bill Clinton, and yet we got a whole bunch of pictures of him in a pool and a Jacuzzi and whatnot.

如果你的重點，如果你要躲在正在進行的調查後面，而你正在調查的是柯林頓，但我們卻有一堆他在泳池和按摩浴缸裡的照片等等。

And I'll just add one more building block, which is that the legislation, the Epstein Files Transparency act, actually has an exception.

我再補充一點，這項法案，《愛潑斯坦檔案透明法案》，其實有一個例外條款。

It says you do not have to release information if it's.

If it could jeopardize an ongoing investigation.

危害到正在進行的調查，你就不必釋出。

The law allows for them to actually have that specific law.

法律允許他們有這項特定的法律。

So it's the oddity that that would be the piece that's released and especially when the victims have named.

所以奇怪的是，這會是唯一被釋出的部分，特別是當受害者已經指名了。

And obviously everybody, if there's anything more to know about Bill Clinton, then people should know it.

顯然，如果關於 Bill Clinton 有更多需要知道的，大家就應該知道。