Name: 反貪腐單位突襲澤倫斯基辦公室主任住家與辦公室！| DW 新聞 (Anti-corruption authorities raid Zelenskyy's chief-of-staff's home and office | DW News)
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Ukraine's anti corruption authorities have carried out searches at the home and office of President Zelensky's chief of staff.

烏克蘭的反貪腐機構搜查了總統澤倫斯基參謀長的住家和辦公室。

Andrew Yermak is Zelensky's most important ally and Ukraine's lead negotiator in peace talks with the US And Russia.

安德烈·葉爾馬克是澤倫斯基最重要的盟友，也是烏克蘭與美國和俄羅斯和談的主要談判代表。

Yermak says he's cooperating with the investigators.

葉爾馬克表示他正配合調查人員。

The anti corruption agencies said the searches were linked to an unspecified investigation.

反貪腐機構表示，這些搜查與一項未指明的調查有關。

Earlier this month, they uncovered what they called a $100 million kickback scheme in the strategic energy sector.

本月稍早，他們揭露了他們所謂的戰略性能源領域一項一億美元的回扣計畫。

Take a closer look and bring in our correspondent Nick Connolly and Kevin.

我們來仔細看看，並請我們的記者尼克·康諾利和凱文加入。

What do we know about what's behind this raid?

我們對這次突襲背後的原因瞭解多少？

Well, we are seeing reports that this is connected to that case that was making waves just basically a week, 10 days ago about corruption in the energy sphere.

嗯，我們看到報導指出，這與大約一週、十天前在能源領域引起轟動的腐敗案有關。

Money being siphoned off, bribes demanded, the construction of protective structures to protect Ukraine's energy infrastructure from the Russian attacks everyone knew were coming.

資金被挪用、賄賂被要求、建造保護結構以保護烏克蘭的能源基礎設施免受俄羅斯攻擊，這是大家預料得到的。

That has all not been officially confirmed yet, but

但這一切都還沒有正式確認，不過

as you mentioned there yet, Mark saying he is not trying to stop the investigations.

就像你剛才提到的，馬克說他無意阻止調查。

He's opened his home and his office to that.

他已經向外界敞開了他的家和辦公室。

But it does seem like there is more to it.

We're getting reports the last couple of hours since we saw the dramatic pictures of investigators there at the presidential compound earlier this morning that potentially that's the kind of the story here being told here in Ukraine that people from Yermak's kind of circle, maybe himself, were about to attack the anti corruption organizations, those institutions try and come out with kind of legal cases against the people in charge of those organizations.

我們在今天稍早看到調查人員突襲總統府邸的戲劇性畫面後，過去幾個小時的報導指出，這可能就是烏克蘭這邊正在講的故事，來自葉爾馬克的圈子裡的人，或許他本人，正準備攻擊反貪腐機構，那些機構試圖對負責這些機構的人提出法律訴訟。

So maybe this was a kind of preventative strike.

所以這或許是一種預防性打擊。

But we certainly saw earlier in the year that the government was trying to take the independence of those anti corruption bodies away.

但我們確實看到今年稍早政府試圖剝奪這些反貪腐機構的獨立性。

Now, we all presume that was because they knew these cases were coming.

現在，我們都推測這是因為他們知道這些案件即將到來。

It's one that's got people very angry at a time where people are dealing with blackouts because the energy system hasn't been protected as well as maybe it could have.

這件事讓大家非常生氣，因為現在大家正為了停電而煩惱，能源系統沒有得到應有的保護。

And it is very dangerous for Volodymyr Zelensky, who might have thought that this was all over after all the talk of Trump's peace plan and that he could just get back to normal.

這對澤倫斯基總統來說非常危險，他可能以為在川普和談的傳聞結束後，一切都塵埃落定了，他可以恢復正常。

And I want to give our viewers some context because corruption has of course long been a major issue in Ukraine.

我想讓我們的觀眾瞭解一些背景，因為腐敗長期以來一直是烏克蘭的一個大問題。

Most recently, pressure had been growing on the president to purge his cabinet amid graft allegations.

最近，由於貪腐指控，總統面臨著清除內閣的壓力越來越大。

The former justice minister, the former energy Minister, a former Deputy Prime Minister, a close business associate of the President, an entrepreneur, all caught up in a massive corruption scandal.

前司法部長、前能源部長、前副總理、總統的親密商業夥伴、一位企業家，都捲入了一場大規模的腐敗醜聞。

Now there are calls for the President's Chief of Staff to resign so that President Volodymyr Zelensky can show he's taking decisive action.

現在有人呼籲總統的參謀長辭職，這樣澤倫斯基總統才能展現他正在採取果斷行動。

Prosecutors say that several conspirators took kickbacks during the construction of structures meant to protect energy facilities from Russian air attacks.

檢察官表示，幾名共謀者在建造用於保護能源設施免受俄羅斯空襲的保護結構時收受了回扣。

Investigators seized safes full of cash and the conspirators allegedly referred to each other with codenames like Alibaba and Professor.

調查人員查獲了裝滿現金的保險箱，而這些共謀者據稱以阿里巴巴和教授等代號互相稱呼。

President Zelensky condemned the alleged conspiracy and fired his justice and Energy ministers, seeking to put space between himself and the scandal.

澤倫斯基總統譴責了這起涉嫌陰謀的事件，並解僱了他的司法部長和能源部長，試圖與這起醜聞劃清界線。

First of all, there should be maximum transparency in the energy sector and in all processes.

首先，能源領域和所有流程都應該有最高的透明度。

I support every investigation by law enforcement and anti corruption bodies.

我支持執法單位和反貪腐機構進行的所有調查。

I believe that the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Energy cannot remain in their positions.

我相信司法部長和能源部長不能繼續留任。

If there are accusations, they must be answered.

如果有指控，就必須給予回應。

Not everyone connected to the scandal has been charged with a crime.

並非所有與這起醜聞有關聯的人都已被起訴。

Former Justice Minister Hermann Halushenko and former Energy Minister Svetlanach Runchuk are under investigation.

前司法部長 Hermann Halushenko 和前能源部長 Svetlanach Runchuk 正在接受調查。

Businessman Timor Mindich, a former associate of President Zelenskyy, has been charged, but

商人 Timor Mindich，曾是澤倫斯基總統的夥伴，已被起訴，但

is thought to be hiding in Israel with another conspirator.

據信他正與另一名共謀者藏匿在以色列。

But many lawmakers have called on Zelenskyy to fire his chief of staff, Andrey Yermak, seen here on the right in file footage.

不過，許多國會議員呼籲澤倫斯基開除他的參謀長 Andrey Yermak，他在這裡的檔案畫面中位於右邊。

He's not been accused, but has great influence over government appointments.

他並未被起訴，但對政府任命有很大的影響力。

Firing him might allow Zelenskyy to earn back trust.

開除他或許能讓澤倫斯基重新贏回信任。

For many Ukrainians, the energy scandal is infuriating at a time when power is undependable after nearly constant Russian attacks on the energy grid.

對許多烏克蘭人來說，能源醜聞令人憤怒，尤其是在俄羅斯幾乎不斷攻擊能源基礎設施後，電力供應不穩定。

With winter setting in internationally, the corruption story puts Zelenskyy in a weakened position just as Ukraine comes under pressure to accept a peace plan drawn up by the US And Russia.

隨著國際上冬天即將來臨，腐敗醜聞讓澤倫斯基處於弱勢，而烏克蘭正承受著接受美國和俄羅斯制定的和談計畫的壓力。

A time when Zelenskyy needs all the political capital he can get.

這時候，澤倫斯基需要他能獲得的所有政治資本。

Much best regards to President Trump, please.

向川普總統致上最誠摯的問候。

How much political capital could this latest development cost Zelensky?

這最新的發展可能會讓澤倫斯基付出多少政治資本？

What implications could this have for the credibility of his government at a moment really of extremely high stakes?

在一個真正極具風險的時刻，這對他政府的信譽會有什麼影響？

It is very, very dangerous internationally in terms of getting foreign donors to keep on keeping this country afloat, giving billions of euros or at least loaning money, sending weapons, but

這對國際社會來說非常非常危險，因為這會影響外國捐助者繼續支持這個國家，提供數十億歐元或至少是貸款、運送武器，

I think for now, Ukraine society is not about to kind of call for Zelensky to go.

我認為目前烏克蘭社會還沒有準備好要求澤倫斯基下臺。

It definitely means his political future after the war is under serious threat.

這絕對意味著他在戰後政治前途受到嚴重威脅。

But I think it's really dangerous now because all these ministers were all kind of less important figures.

但我認為現在非常危險，因為所有這些部長都算是比較不重要的角色。

You have to remember that Andrey Yermak is basically the second man in this country, even though formally he's only the head of the presidential administration.

你必須記住，安德烈·葉爾馬克基本上是這個國家的二號人物，即使他正式職位只是總統辦公室主任。

He basically, it's believed, decides all major appointments, makes the big calls, and

據信，他基本上決定了所有重要任命，做出重大決策，

especially since Zelensky basically out informally to his lawmakers last week when we had the first allegations and said, I am not going to fire Yermak, he's my guy, I'll fire the rest.

特別是澤倫斯基上週在我們首次聽到這些指控時，就已經非正式地告訴國會議員，他不會解僱葉爾馬克，他是他的人，他會解僱其他人。

So now if we hear more and we get proof, which we haven't seen yet, that actually Yermak was profiting from these schemes rather than potentially knowing about them or, you know, that's.

所以現在，如果我們聽到更多消息，並且有證據，雖然我們還沒看到，證明葉爾馬克實際上從這些計畫中獲利，而不是可能知道這些計畫，或者，你知道的，那就是。

That would be the really dangerous moment.

If there's an ability to show that he was profiting personally, that is then going to be incredibly difficult for Zelensky to hold on and keep him in place.

如果能證明他個人獲利，那澤倫斯基將很難堅持並讓他繼續留任。