Name: 川普：美國國內沒有足夠人才填補工作職缺！ (Trump: US doesn't have talented people to fill jobs domestically)
Uploaded: 2025-11-21T16:55:01.000Z
Duration: 9 min 47 s

基礎被動語態

Donald Trump was confronted on Fox about H1B visas and why he's not prioritizing jobs for American workers in manufacturing.

唐納·川普在福斯電視上被問到 H1B visas 的問題，以及為何他不優先考慮讓美國製造業工人就業。

And does that mean the H1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?

那這是否意味著 H1B visas 不會是您政府的重點優先事項？

Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

因為如果你想提高美國工人的薪資，你就不能引進數萬甚至數十萬的外國勞工湧入這個國家。

Also do have to bring in talent when we have plenty of talented people.

我們也必須引進人才，即使我們有許多有才華的人。

No, you don't have, you don't have certain talents.

You can't take people off an unemployment, like an unemployment line and say, I'm going to put you into a factory.

你不能把失業的人，像是失業救濟金的領取者，直接送進工廠。

We're going to make missiles, or I'm going to put how did we ever do it before?

我們要製造飛彈，或者我該怎麼辦，我們以前是怎麼做到的？

I mean, there are a lot of things happening there, including a huge rift, actually

我的意思是，那裡發生了很多事，包括實際上一個巨大的裂痕

within the Republican coalition on this issue.

在共和黨在這個問題上的聯盟內部。

But that's that piece where he says, no, no, you don't, you don't have the talent.

但這就是他說 的那段，不行，不行，你們沒有那個才能。

I mean, this is yet another circumstance where the president seems to be having a very difficult time defending his own policies here.

我的意思是，這又是另一個情況，總統似乎很難為他自己的政策辯護。

And I am someone who's generally in favor of more immigration, who's been very in favor of these H1B visas which have been indispensable to the tech industry.

我個人是傾向於增加移民的，而且我非常支持這些 H1B visas，它們對科技產業來說是不可或缺的。

It would be great if he had the ability to articulate why these are a good idea right now, why these don't necessarily crowd out American applicants for these jobs, People who want to go seek a H education in the United States, visiting from abroad, being able to attract the best possible talent from around the world and bring them to American universities to steep them in our culture.

如果他能清楚說明為什麼這些是個好主意，為什麼這些不一定會排擠美國的求職者，那些想出國到美國接受 H 教育的人，來自國外參訪，能夠吸引全球最頂尖的人才，並將他們帶到美國大學，讓他們沉浸在我們的文化中，那就太好了。

Lots of them stay, lots of them create more jobs.

很多人留下來，創造更多工作機會。

It has been a remarkable success story for the United States.

這對美國來說是一個非常成功的案例。

Although there are cheaters in the system.

雖然系統裡確實有些作弊的人。

But to Camille's point, Trump did not articulate anything even close to that in that sound bite.

但回到 Camille 的觀點，川普在那段話裡根本沒有說任何接近那樣的話。

And it's fascinating because although I completely agree with what you said, I thought it was kind of shocking that he just said, no, you don't.

這很有趣，因為雖然我完全同意你說的，我倒覺得他直接說「不行，你們不行」這點還蠻令人震驚的。

He's referring to the United States as some other entity, as though he's not the president of the United States.

他把美國當成另一個實體，好像他不是美國總統一樣。

The United States doesn't have talented workers.

First of all, I Agree there are not enough workers here in the United States to be able to do all those jobs.

首先，我同意美國這裡沒有足夠的勞工來做所有這些工作。

But the president of the United States just said that we, that you, you, the United States people don't have enough good, talented people in your country.

但美國總統剛剛說，我們，你們，你們美國人民，你們國家沒有足夠優秀、有才華的人。

I'm shocked that if Barack Obama or Joe Biden or any Democrat said that every Republican conservative would be outraged by that.

我很震驚，如果歐巴馬或拜登或任何民主黨人說了這樣的話，每個共和黨保守派都會非常憤怒。

It just struck me as being very unusual for any president to say something like that.

我覺得任何總統說出這樣的話都非常不尋常。

If Joe Biden had said that, it would be, you know, more evidence in your column that he was unfit.

如果拜登說了這話，那就會是你認為他不適任的更多證據。

I think he was having a debate with a hardliner about immigration.

我認為他當時正在和一位強硬派就移民問題辯論。

She fervently believes that we shouldn't have any of this kind of immigration.

她堅信我們不應該有任何這種類型的移民。

Trump is in an interesting spot, as you pointed out, with the coalition.

正如你所指出的，川普在聯盟方面處於一個有趣的境地。

He does have people in the party who believe what Laura believes, which is this should be cut off.

他確實有黨內人士支持蘿拉的看法，也就是應該停止這一切。

We shouldn't be doing any immigration of any kind.

我們不應該有任何形式的移民。

That that's how you drive up wages for workers.

這就是你如何提高工人薪資的方法。

He also has this interesting tech part of his coalition.

他還有他聯盟中這個有趣的科技部分。

And then he's also got the agriculture piece of his coalition, which has other immigration issues.

然後他還有他聯盟中的農業部分，這部分還有其他移民問題。

He's got a broad coalition with really, really disparate views.

他有一個非常廣泛、意見差異極大的聯盟。

I will point out he did sign an executive order earlier this year.

我必須指出，他今年稍早簽署了一項行政命令。

I think it's $100,000 application fee now for an H1B visa.

我認為現在申請 H1B visa 的申請費是十萬美元。

So they did move towards making it harder to get one.

所以他們確實採取行動讓申請變得更困難。

I think they would argue that makes it harder to cheat on it.

我認為他們會爭辯說這讓作弊更困難。

If you're serious, you're going to pay us this kind of an application fee.

如果你是認真的，你會付我們這種申請費。

But obviously he believes there's something to be gained in the United States by finding talented people, maybe with specialized skills and bringing them here.

但顯然他相信透過尋找有才華的人，也許是具備專業技能的人並將他們帶來美國，美國可以有所收穫。

He may not be in full agreement with all of his coalition, but

他可能不完全同意他所有盟友的看法，但

he'll get some support on that out of tech and out of other industries.

他會從科技業和其他產業獲得一些支持。

If Trump would have said, no, we definitely need American workers, would you have the same.

如果川普說，不行，我們絕對需要美國勞工，你會不會有同樣的想法？

Would you have just made the same argument?

Well, I'm not necessarily making an argument.

I'm just telling you the political dynamics in the Republican Party, which is that there's not broad agreement.

我只是告訴你共和黨內的政治動態，也就是說，並沒有廣泛的共識。

Some people want it, some people want it throttled, and some people don't want it at all.

有些人想要，有些人想要限制，有些人則完全不想要。

And he's kind of presiding over all of this.

He is in an interesting position because he's known broadly as an immigration hawk.

他處於一個有趣的境地，因為他廣為人知是一位移民鷹派。

But on this particular point, he is supported by a great many people who see the value in highly specialized, talented people being able to come here who are from other countries, not Americans.

不過在這點上，他得到了許多人的支持，他們認為讓高技能、有才華的外國人來到這裡（而不是美國人）是有價值的。

Yeah, so I mean, that, that is, that is a point that's been made to him.

對，我的意思是，這一點他已經聽過了。

And he's obviously one of the reasons that this is a nonsense, because Trump has sold his base on a pretty exclusionary immigration policy.

而他顯然是這一切無稽之談的原因之一，因為川普已經說服了他的基本盤，推行了相當排外的移民政策。

Now he's trying to argue with them that actually we should let certain people in.

現在他正試圖說服他們，其實我們應該讓某些人進來。

That's why Laura Ingraham is pressing him like this.

這就是為什麼 Laura Ingraham 這樣逼問他。

And he's not really even articulating to Camille's point.

而且，說到 Camille 的觀點，他其實並沒有真正表達出來。

Again, he's not really saying clearly what the policy ought to be.

他並沒有清楚地說出政策應該是什麼。

He's just saying we don't have talented people in the United States to do these jobs, which is not true.

他只是說美國沒有有才華的人來做這些工作，這是不對的。

But, you know, I mean, it's also just a failure.

但是，你知道，我的意思是，這也是一種失敗。

Are you arguing that we shouldn't have H1BS?

你是在說我們不應該有 H1B visas 嗎？

No, I'm just saying what he's saying, that we don't have talented people is just, on its face, untrue.

不，我只是說他的說法，說我們沒有有才華的人，這點根本就不對。

But there is a, there's a role for H1BS that he could argue for, but he didn't.

但是，H1B visas 有其存在的空間，他可以為此辯護，但他沒有。

I interpreted it as him saying, I'm not trying to put it just didn't make the argument.

我的解讀是，他並沒有試圖提出論點，只是沒有提出論點。

When I was listening to it and I listened to it carefully, I was interpreting his answer as, look, we have needs in room for the most talented people we can get.

當我仔細聽的時候，我解讀他的回答是，聽著，我們有需求，需要我們能找到的最有才華的人。

Now it will be under the framework of his executive order, meaning you have to pay a pretty significant fee to get one.

現在這將在他的行政命令框架下，意味著你必須支付相當高的費用才能獲得一個。

Which I think they believe has controlled this to some degree.

我認為他們相信這在某種程度上已經控制住了。

But my interpretation of it was, hey, if there are talented people that can come here, they want to be here and they're not gaming the system.

但我的解讀是，嘿，如果這裡有有才華的人，他們想來這裡，而且他們沒有濫用系統。

He said you'd have to get people out of the unemployment line here in order to get them into the jobs that are high skilled jobs.

我覺得他們認為這在某種程度上已經控制住了。

That didn't sound like what you just said.

No, he was obviously saying that if you have an unskilled job, what you're saying and what you're actually saying, no, if there's an unskilled worker who's unemployed versus a highly trained or highly educated, you know, engineer, physicist, those are two different kinds of people who would be taking two different kinds of jobs.

You couldn't pluck anyone off the street and put them in a high tech, highly specialized, high trained area in that moment, maybe you could train them over time.

But if you have someone that's already trained, that wants to pay 100 grand to come here and you could do it while you're doing it.

他說你們得讓這裡失業的人騰出位子，才能讓他們去從事高技術的工作。

And for the skill type workers, he does, he does advocate for apprenticeship programs, right?

這聽起來跟你剛才說的不一樣。

That's, that's the cornerstone of trying to train the American worker to do the jobs in the American factories as, as, as the manufacturing base starts to grow.

不，他顯然是在說，如果你有一個非技術性工作，你說的話和你實際說的話，不，如果有一個失業的非技術工人對比一個訓練有素或受過高等教育的，你知道的，工程師、物理學家，這是兩種不同的人，他們會從事兩種不同的工作。

This sucks for you guys because he has put, Trump, has put you in a very difficult position because as my colleagues have said here, right, If Joe Biden or any other Democrat would have said this, he'd be like, that's ridiculous.

你不可能隨便抓一個人來，然後立刻讓他進入高科技、高度專業化、高技能的領域，也許你可以花時間訓練他們。

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