Name: 美國國家航空航天局（NASA）對 3D Atlas 的異常行為保持沉默：阿維-勒布博士 (NASA is silent on 3D Atlas' abnormal behavior: Dr. Avi Loeb)
Uploaded: 2025-10-31T08:00:27.000Z
Duration: 6 min 43 s

And joining us now for more, Harvard astrophysicist Dr. Avi Loeb.

現在加入我們，哈佛大學天體物理學家 Dr. Avi Loeb。

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很高興再次邀請到您，Loeb 博士。

At this point, you know, again, photos taken October 2nd.

到目前為止，您知道的，又，照片是 10 月 2 日拍的。

Do you believe there is a conspiracy at NASA?

我們是不是正在經歷一場掩蓋事件？

I'm not sure, you know, I don't have any evidence.

And I corresponded with Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna, who promised to get in touch with NASA and encourage them to release the data because the principal investigator is at the University of Arizona, he's not a NASA employee, and

我和國會議員 Anna Paulina Luna 通訊了，她承諾會聯繫 NASA 並鼓勵他們釋出數據，因為主要研究員在亞利桑那大學，他不是 NASA 的員工，而且

moreover, it's time to share the data with the scientific community, even if they don't want to make a press release, that it has nothing to do with communicating it to the media.

此外，是時候與科學界分享數據了，即使他們不想發布新聞稿，這與向媒體傳達資訊無關。

It has to do with scientific practice, allowing us to plan the observations ahead according to what we already know.

這跟科學實踐有關，讓我們能根據已知情況來規劃接下來的觀測。

And you know, yesterday was a special day.

而且你知道的，昨天是個特別的日子。

That was the day when three Eye Atlas came closest to the Sun.

那天是三個 Eye Atlas 最接近太陽的日子。

We cannot observe it from Earth because the sun is between us and this object.

我們無法從地球觀測到它，因為太陽就在我們和這個天體之間。

However, there are several instruments that were able to observe it that are looking at the sun and some of them are satellites.

然而，有幾種儀器能夠觀測到它，它們正朝著太陽觀測，其中一些是衛星。

And as of this morning, we have a report that the object got much brighter than expected, much brighter than any previous comet from the solar system did as it approached the sun perihelion, so to speak.

而且到今天早上為止，我們收到一份報告，說這個天體比預期的亮得多，比太陽系中任何先前接近太陽近日點的彗星都要亮得多，可以這麼說。

And moreover, the color of the object is blue, bluer than the Sun.

而且，這個天體的顏色是藍色的，比太陽還要藍。

And that's very surprising because usually when there is dust around an object, it should make it red.

這非常令人驚訝，因為通常當一個天體周圍有塵埃時，它應該會呈現紅色。

And we expect the surface temperature of the object to be an order of magnitude lower than the surface temperature of the sun, which is 5,800 degrees above absolute zero.

我們預期這個天體的表面溫度會比太陽的表面溫度低一個數量級，太陽的表面溫度是絕對零度以上 5,800 度。

So the object should be much cooler than the sun, therefore redder than the Sun.

所以這個天體應該比太陽涼得多，是以也比太陽紅。

Nevertheless, the data shows that it's bluer than the sun, meaning a very high temperature, perhaps a power supply that exceeds what we expect, or some physics that we don't fully understand.

不過，數據顯示它比太陽更藍，這意味著溫度非常高，可能是一個超出我們預期的能量來源，或者是一些我們還沒完全理解的物理現象。

So you're saying this object 3 I Atlas what the rest of the scientific community, the establishment claims is a comet re emerged on the other side of the sun and its color is changed.

所以您是說，這個天體 3 I Atlas，科學界、主流說法認為它是彗星，在經過太陽背面後重新出現，顏色也改變了。

It did not break up when it traveled behind the Sun.

它在穿越太陽背面時並沒有解體。

The Sun's heat did not impact it in that way.

太陽的熱力並沒有以那種方式影響它。

Do we know if it's made any sort of turn toward planet Earth or is it still on its original trajectory?

我們知道它有沒有轉向地球，還是它還在原本的軌道上嗎？

It looks like it didn't deviate much from when the data was taken, but that's before perihelion.

看起來它從數據擷取時的軌道並沒有太大偏差，但那是在近日點之前。

That's a few days before, all the way to October 25th or so.

那是幾天前，一直到大約 10 月 25 日。

What we want to see is what happened after October 29th and next week.

我們想知道 10 月 29 日之後和下週會發生什麼事。

On the first week of June, there is a European Space Agency spacecraft called Juice on its way to Jupiter and it will be able to take data from it.

It's using the communication dish as a sun shield.

So we won't be able to receive the data for a few weeks.

But the European Space Agency was completely transparent when they took data back in early October.

It was released to the public a few days later.

六月的頭一個禮拜，歐洲太空總署有個叫做 Juice 的太空梭正前往木星，它將能從木星擷取數據。

Okay, Dr. Loeb, let me just stop you in the interest of time.

There's a couple things we have to move through.

所以我們得等上幾週才能收到數據。

但歐洲太空總署在十月初擷取數據時，態度完全透明。

Sean Duffy has been on this program several times.

Sean Duffy 已經來過這個節目好幾次了。

Why can't we just reach out to Sean Duffy and get him to release the photos that were taken from Mars back on October 2nd?

為什麼我們不能直接聯繫 Sean Duffy，請他公佈 10 月 2 日從火星拍下的照片呢？

Those beautiful 30 megapixel, crystal clear photos of whatever this thing is.

那是 30 百萬畫素、清晰無比的照片，拍下了這個東西的樣貌。

I know you're a man of science, but Dr. Loeb, I ask you this every time.

我知道您是科學家，但 Avi Loeb 博士，我每次都問您這個問題。

That these photos have not been released, even to people like you in the scientific community.

這些照片沒有被公開，甚至連您這樣身處科學界的人都沒看到。

In fact, this is exactly the comment that Joe Rogan made on my appearance in his podcast a couple of days ago.

事實上，這正是我幾天前上 Joe Rogan 節目時，他對我說的一模一樣的話。

He said you should reach to Sean Duffy and you know, I'm doing my best with the help of Representative Luna, and

他說你應該聯絡 Sean Duffy，你知道的，我在 Luna 議員的協助下，盡力而為，

You know, this is not good scientific behavior, and I really hope that.

這不是好的科學行為，我真的很希望。

Dr. Loeb and I know that look, the establishment, just like we saw during the COVID pandemic.

Loeb 博士和我明白那種情況，就像我們在 COVID 疫情期間看到的一樣。

Doctors who said, wait a second, maybe you should think twice about getting these vaccines.

醫生們說，等等，也許你應該仔細考慮一下接種這些疫苗。

That's the way that they have treated you.

The scientific establishment has sort of laughed at your conjecture and laughed at your theories, while people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson sort of insults anything that you propose as preposterous, which I think is preposterous.

科學界有點嘲笑你的猜測和理論，而像 Neil DeGrasse Tyson 這樣的人則把你的任何提議都斥為荒謬，我認為這才荒謬。

You were 4 out of 10 chance, 40% chance this thing was intelligent life a month ago.

一個月前，你有四成的機率，也就是 40% 的機率，認為這東西是智慧生命。

現在它又出現了，顏色也變了。

Now, based on science, it seems like, it's even more weird than I thought.

現在，根據科學來看，這似乎比我想像的還要奇怪。

The blue color is something we need to understand.

Haven't had time to figure out the physics behind it.

還沒時間弄清楚背後的物理原理。

關於 Neil DeGrasse Tyson 有個評論。

他不是一個在做研究的科學家。

他是一位評論員，一位意見領袖。

And you know, think about the analogy with playing soccer.

You know, there are people watching the game and they can comment, but they cannot score a goal.

你知道，有些人會看比賽，他們可以評論，但他們不能進球。

He's not the kind of person that would show you you're down on the field, still playing.

他不是那種會讓你覺得你還在場上，還在踢球的人。

我讀了您的 Substack，Dr. Avi Loeb。

Has that number moved up that this thing might be intelligent life and not just a big rock barreling through the solar system?

這個數字有往上移動嗎？表示這東西可能是智慧生命，而不只是個在太陽系裡橫衝直撞的大石頭？

I think with the blue color, it's now a bit above 4, but

我認為，有了藍色的這個線索，現在應該是稍微高於 4 了，但是

I need to think about the physics behind it.

我需要思考一下背後的物理原理。

Loeb 博士，我們會再請你來的。

I know the audience always enjoys when you come on as well.

我知道觀眾每次看到你來都很開心。