Name: 泰勒-斯威夫特的統治會結束嗎？- 英國廣播公司世界服務播客《What in the World (Could Taylor Swift’s reign ever end? - What in the World podcast, BBC World Service)
Uploaded: 2025-10-28T07:08:55.000Z
Duration: 14 min 10 s

There is a song on there called Wood, which is.

裡面有首歌叫做 Wood，也就是。

情態副詞

I don't know how to say this politely, but

it's a tribute to what she calls Travis Kelce's Magic Wand.

這首歌是向她稱之為 Travis Kelce's Magic Wand 的致敬。

I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.

The danger for Taylor is nobody is at the top forever.

對 Taylor 來說，危險在於沒有人能永遠站在頂端。

So the question is, when does the bubble burst?

所以問題是，保麗龍什麼時候會破滅？

Now, Swifties, you might want to turn this one up a little bit louder because today we're chatting about the most powerful woman in popular Taylor Swift.

好了，Swifties，你們可能想把這一段音量調大一點，因為今天我們要聊聊流行樂壇最有權勢的女人 Taylor Swift。

We're officially in our Life of a Showgirl era.

我們正式進入了 Life of a Showgirl 這個時代。

But let's be honest, at this point in her career, is Taylor Swift a bit unstoppable?

但說實話，以她現在的歌唱生涯，Taylor Swift 是不是有點勢不可擋了？

Is anything she releases going to be a mega hit?

她推出的任何東西都會是大熱門嗎？

She's kind of competing with her own records at this stage.

在這個階段，她有點像在跟自己的紀錄較勁。

That's what we're getting into in today's episode.

I'm Ikra Farouk and this is what in the World from the BBC World Service.

我是 Ikra Farouk，這裡是 BBC World Service 的「世界大小事」。

And I'm joined by Mark Savage, who's the BBC's music correspondent, has the coolest job in the building.

我身邊有 Mark Savage，他是 BBC 的音樂線記者，擁有這棟樓裡最酷的工作。

I need to get the big questions out the way first.

你最喜歡 Taylor Swift 的哪個時期？

When she went a bit more experimental with the writing, got a bit more narratively driven.

當她寫作變得更實驗性，更有敘事性。

I really liked the way that she painted pictures with her lyrics.

我真的很喜歡她用歌詞描繪畫面的方式。

Yeah, I'm a red girl, Red album, high School.

對啊，我是 Red 時期的人，Red 專輯，高中時期。

And I think we all have that era that we kind of really resonate with.

我想我們都有一個特別有共鳴的時期。

But today we're chatting about the life of a showgirl.

但今天我們要聊的是 Life of a Showgirl。

The new record's broken a lot of records out there.

它收到了一些褒貶不一的評價。

From your standpoint, how does it compare to her previous albums?

從你的角度來看，它跟她之前的專輯比起來怎麼樣？

It's not like there's a bunch in the middle saying this is kind of good and kind of bad.

不是那種中間派說這張專輯有好有壞。

So, like Rolling Stone magazine in the US just gave it this glowing, like, thousand word write up.

所以，就像美國的滾石雜誌給了它一篇洋洋灑灑、長達千字的評論。

That said, she's shot into a fresh echelon of superstardom, which is something you don't read in reviews very often.

不過話說回來，她已經躍升到一個全新的超級巨星等級，這點你很少會在評論裡看到。

And then Pitchfork said her music has never been less compelling, so it can't be both.

然後 Pitchfork 說她的音樂從來沒有這麼不吸引人過，所以不可能兩者都是。

I was on the side of the critics who found it to be A good album.

我屬於那些認為這是一張好專輯的評論家那邊。

I think there's some really strong material on there, really evocatively told stories.

我覺得裡面有一些非常精彩的素材，講述得非常生動的故事。

For example, on the single the Life of Ophelia, she's talking about how much she has fallen in love with Travis Kelce, the American footballer who's now her fiance.

例如，在單曲《Life of Ophelia》中，她談論了她有多愛上美國足球員 Travis Kelce，他現在是她的未婚夫。

And at the end of every phrase, they add an extra bar of music, an extra four beats, which is really unusual in pop music.

而且在每個樂句的結尾，她都會多加一個小節的音樂，多四拍，這在流行音樂裡真的很不尋常。

It throws you off the kind of traditional structures, but

這會打亂你對傳統結構的認知，但是

what it does is it allows her to marinate in those feelings, to really, you know, she doesn't want to let go.

這樣做能讓她沉浸在那些情感裡，讓她真的，你知道，她不想放手。

And that's just really, really clever songwriting, and I think there's a lot of that on this record.

這真的是非常非常聰明的寫歌技巧，我認為這張專輯裡有很多這樣的東西。

The critics have mostly been talking about the cringeworthy lyrics, and that has become a meme.

評論家們大多在談論那些讓人尷尬到不行的歌詞，這也變成了一個迷因。

There was a point, a day before the album came out when some of the lyrics leaked and Taylor Swift fans said, these are fake.

在專輯發行前一天，有些歌詞外洩了，Taylor Swift 的粉絲們說，這些是假的。

它們太糟糕了，不可能是真的。

And then it turned out they were the actual lyrics.

結果發現，那竟然是真的歌詞。

And, you know, there is a song on there called Wood, which is.

然後，你知道，裡面有首歌叫 Wood，是。

我不知道該怎麼客氣地說，但是

這是她所謂的 Travis Kelce's Magic Wand 的致敬。

And there are moments where you think, wow, are you really the best song lyricist of your generation, or have you lost focus a bit here?

有些時候你會想，哇，妳真的是這一代的最佳作詞人嗎，還是妳有點分心了？

And let's face it, she's released over 200 songs in the last five years, so maybe the inkwell is running dry a little bit.

說實在的，她過去五年發行了超過 200 首歌曲，所以墨水可能有點乾了。

But melodically and songwriting wise, I think this is a really strong album, and

但從旋律和寫歌的角度來看，我認為這是一張非常棒的專輯，而且

I'm a psychiatrist and a Swiftie, and I personally love the life of a showgirl.

我是一位精神科醫師，也是 Swifties，我個人超愛 Life of a Showgirl。

I became a Swiftie during her sophomore album, which is fearless.

我是在她第二張專輯《Fearless》時期成為 Swifties 的。

And I think this album brings back that same pop, fun, energetic vibe that I loved Taylor Swift music for in the first place.

而且我覺得這張專輯帶回了我當初喜歡 Taylor Swift 音樂的那種流行、有趣、充滿活力的感覺。

Obviously, Taylor Swift brings about a lot of positive and negative emotions in people, and

很明顯地，Taylor Swift 會激發人們很多正反面的情緒，而且

I think the shift I've seen the perception of her has really been from people shifting from liking her music to really focusing on her personal life.

我認為大家對她的看法轉變，是從喜歡她的音樂轉變為真正關注她的個人生活。

It's really the parasocial relationships that people have with her.

這真的是大家和她之間的一種擬社會關係。

So people who really like her project a lot of these positive attributes to her and all these positive things to her, which they don't know her, so they don't know that people who dislike her project all these negative things to her and negative attributes to her, which, again, they don't know her.

所以喜歡她的人會把很多正面的特質和正面的事物投射在她身上，但他們並不認識她，所以他們不知道那些不喜歡她的人也會把很多負面的事物和負面的特質投射在她身上，同樣地，他們也不認識她。

So I think on either side of her, it's really become not about the music anymore and more about her personal life.

所以我覺得無論是哪一邊，大家關注的都不是音樂了，而是她的個人生活。

People are looking at the music and trying to find out who it's about, what it's about, and

大家都在看她的音樂，試圖找出這首歌是關於誰的，是關於什麼的，然後

how it relates to her personal life versus just listening to the music, which is what I focus on.

還有她個人生活的部分，而不是隻聽音樂，這是我比較關注的。

Obviously, we're talking about her music, but she's known for more than just her music.

顯然，我們在談論她的音樂，但她不只以音樂聞名。

It's her relationships, the lawsuits, her ability to shift the economy.

她的感情、官司，以及她影響經濟的能力。

How has that press attention shifted throughout the years?

這些媒體關注度這些年來是如何轉變的？

我覺得大家對她的看法已經改變了。

I think there's a real dissonance when people talk about Taylor Swift because on the one hand, the character in her songs is still that vulnerable schoolgirl sitting on the bleachers as the cheerleader runs off with the man of her dreams.

我覺得大家談論 Taylor Swift 時，會有一種很大的落差，因為一方面，她歌曲中的角色仍然是那個坐在看臺上、看著啦啦隊隊長跟她夢中情人跑掉的脆弱女學生。

She's constantly heartbroken and the underdog.

But at the same time, in the real world, she is a billionaire singer songwriter who dominates the cultural conversation around music and can have 90,000 people in a stadium singing her words back to her.

但同時，在現實世界中，她是一位億萬富翁的創作歌手，主導著音樂界的文化對話，能讓九萬人在體育場裡跟著她唱出歌詞。

So I think often what happens now is when she sings about those moments of vulnerability or she sings about a feud that she has within the music industry, people don't take it at face value because they're saying, well, wait a minute, you hold all of the power here.

所以我覺得現在常常發生的是，當她唱到那些脆弱的時刻，或是她唱到在音樂產業裡的爭執時，大家不會全盤接受，因為他們會說，等等，你掌握了所有的權力。

And there was a lot of reaction over the weekend after the Life of a Showgirl came out to a song called actually Romantic, which people think that it is a response to a song by Charli XCX from her album Bratz last year, which was called Sympathy Is a Knife.

而且週末的時候，在 Life of a Showgirl 發行了一首叫做 Romantic 的歌之後，引起了很多討論，大家覺得這首歌是在回應 Charli XCX 去年專輯 Bratz 裡一首叫做 Sympathy Is a Knife 的歌。

Now, in that song, Charlie is talking about feeling intimidated in the presence of a bigger pop star who comes backstage at one of her boyfriend's concerts, and

在這首歌裡，Charli 說到在一個她男友的演唱會上，一位比較大的流行巨星來到後臺，讓她感到很害怕，

she's not really sure how to handle herself.

The Taylor Swift song actually Romantic is kind of a parody of how you might react to someone that is constantly talking about you behind your back or in a song or in the press and saying, you're so obsessed with me that it actually seems like it could be lust.

Taylor Swift 的歌 Romantic 其實是在模仿，當有人一直在你背後說你壞話，或是在歌裡、在媒體上說你，說你對我著迷到好像是種慾望時，你可能會有的反應。

Like you're obsessed with me, you love me.

像是「你對我著迷，你愛我。」

我覺得這是一首非常有趣的歌。

But there has been a lot of criticism that Taylor is a pop star who is untouchable.

但也有很多人批評說，Taylor 是一位高高在上、無人能敵的流行巨星。

As some columnists have written on A pop star that doesn't have that level of credibility or acceptability or of worldwide fame.

就像有些專欄作家寫的，對於一位沒有那樣的公信力、接受度或世界級名氣的流行巨星來說。