Name: 美國自 2020 年以來首次失去工作崗位 (America lost jobs for the first time since 2020)
Uploaded: 2025-09-06T04:14:03.000Z
Duration: 10 min 47 s

We learned this morning that job growth in the past three months has all but ended.

今天上午我們得知，過去三個月的就業增長几乎已經結束。

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There were just 22,000 new jobs created last month and new revised data showed the economy actually lost jobs in June, the first time that's happened since President Trump's first term back when most of us were still in isolation.

上個月新創造的就業崗位僅有 2.2 萬個，新修訂的數據顯示，6 月份經濟實際上減少了就業崗位，這是自特朗普總統第一任期以來首次出現這種情況，當時我們大多數人還處於孤立無援的狀態。

During COVID and unemployment ticked up to 4.3%, the highest in nearly four years.

在 COVID 期間，失業率上升至 4.3%，為近四年來最高。

An economy that's stalling out is bad news for any president, but particularly for one who got back into the White House in large part because of what voters saw as his economic acumen.

經濟停滯不前對任何一位總統來說都是壞消息，尤其是對一位在很大程度上因為選民認為他具有經濟頭腦而重返白宮的總統來說。

When President Trump didn't like last month's jobs report, he fired the head of the agency that compiles it this morning.

由於特朗普總統不喜歡上個月的就業報告，他今天早上解僱了負責編制該報告的機構負責人。

He placed the blame on his economic nemesis, the Fed Chair Jerome Powell.

他將責任歸咎於他的經濟剋星--美聯儲主席傑羅姆-鮑威爾。

Powell should have lowered rates long ago.

I'm joined by a terrific group of reporters here and Marie Horden of Bloomberg.

這裡有一群出色的記者，還有彭博社的瑪麗-霍登（Marie Horden）。

CNN's Matt Egan, Abby Livingston, a puck and instead Herndon of the New York Times.

CNN的馬特-伊根（Matt Egan）、艾比-利文斯頓（Abby Livingston）、冰球和《紐約時報》的赫恩頓（Herndon）。

Matt, take us through some of the numbers and what they mean.

馬特，給我們介紹一下這些數字及其含義。

Yeah, Dan, look, this was another brutal jobs report and this really suggests that after years of historic resilience, the job market is facing some serious trouble right now.

是的，丹，聽著，這又是一份殘酷的就業報告，這確實表明，在經歷了多年的歷史性恢復之後，就業市場現在正面臨著一些嚴重的問題。

I mean, hiring has basically stalled out to almost nothing, right?

我的意思是，招聘已經基本停滯，幾乎沒有了，對嗎？

Just 22,000 jobs added during the month of August.

8 月份新增就業崗位僅 22,000 個。

That is a fraction of what economists were expecting.

這只是經濟學家預期的一小部分。

It's crazy to think that not even a year ago back in December, the economy was adding 300 plus thousand jobs.

想想一年前的 12 月，經濟還在增加 30 多萬個就業崗位，這簡直太瘋狂了。

And as you noted, we saw that June was revised lower to show that for the first time since COVID US economy actually.

正如您所指出的，我們看到 6 月份的數據被下調，這是自 COVID 以來美國經濟首次出現實際下滑。

Lost job so that ends this nearly five year streak of uninterrupted job growth.

就業崗位減少，從而結束了近五年的連續就業增長。

That was the first second longest streak in American history.

這是美國曆史上第二長的連勝紀錄。

It's now over and then the unemployment rate.

So you mentioned that ticking up from 4.2% to 4.3%.

所以，你提到從 4.2% 上升到 4.3%。

That's not high per se, but it is the highest since late 2021 and Fed Chair Powell.

這本身並不算高，但卻是自 2021 年底和美聯儲主席鮑威爾以來的最高值。

He said that that's the number one indicator that he's looking at for evidence of weakness in this job market.

他說，這是他尋找就業市場疲軟證據的首要指標。

I think that we shouldn't rule out the possibility that this is just a slow patch and the economy can rebound from here, right?

我認為，我們不應該排除這種可能性，即這只是一個緩慢的修補，經濟可以從這裡反彈，對嗎？

I mean, job market's been so resilient for so long, but clearly this is another major challenge.

我的意思是，長期以來，就業市場一直很有彈性，但這顯然是另一個重大挑戰。

And I think the warning signs in the economy are really piling up.

我認為，經濟中的警示信號確實越來越多。

I do want to get back to what you just mentioned on the Fed and interest rates.

我確實想回到你剛才提到的美聯儲和利率問題上。

Instead, let's talk politics and I mean, yes, the president likes to say that immigration was a big issue.

相反，讓我們來談談政治，我的意思是，是的，總統喜歡說移民是個大問題。

Definitely, but we know the biggest reason, and it was the fact that people were hearing from President Biden that the numbers were not as good as they were.

當然，但我們知道最大的原因是，人們從拜登總統那裡聽到的事實是，數字並沒有那麼好。

Are good, let's just wait, but people didn't feel that way.

很好，讓我們再等等，但人們並不這麼認為。

Now it's the numbers that aren't looking good either.

Exactly, it's a mirror image from kind of 2021 when we had Democrats at that time kind of telling people don't look at the numbers don't plan to believe what's in front of you kind of hear that from Trump.

沒錯，這是2021年的鏡像，當時民主黨人告訴人們不要看數字，不要打算相信眼前的事實，特朗普也是這麼說的。

Now this is what we had kind of warned about all through the summer.

這就是我們整個夏天都在警告的事情。

The prospect that his kind of self imposed economic crisis tariffs driving that could pose not just uncertainty but the downward job market and really reverse what has been Trump's number one strength.

他那種自我強加的經濟危機關稅推動的前景不僅會帶來不確定性，還會導致就業市場下行，並真正扭轉特朗普的頭號優勢。

Coming into this, but I also think you gotta add in the big beautiful bill with this, right?

但我也認為，你得把這個漂亮的大賬單加進去，對吧？

And it speaks to, I think, is a kind of hypocrisy at the heart of Trump's second term for all the talk about his growth among working class voters, his growth among working class voters of color.

我認為，這說明特朗普第二任期的核心是一種虛偽，因為他一直在談論自己在工薪階層選民中的增長，在有色人種工薪階層選民中的增長。

Would we have seen in terms of economic reality here is a bill that largely amounts to a wealth transfer, a removal of benefits from snap and Medicaid, and I think that's the reason why you see some of those poll numbers, particularly on the economy, reversing among the very groups that delivered Trump the White House last year.

就經濟現實而言，我們看到的是一項在很大程度上相當於財富轉移的法案，一項取消緊急救助和醫療補助福利的法案，我認為這就是為什麼你會看到一些民調數字，尤其是經濟方面的民調數字，在去年讓特朗普入主白宮的那些群體中出現逆轉的原因。

Abby, you know, Trump immediately pivoted to the Fed and Jerome Powell.

艾比，你知道，特朗普立即轉向美聯儲和傑羅姆-鮑威爾。

But when I talk to Republican sources, they're all worried about tariffs and the full brunt of that has not been felt yet.

但當我與共和黨人士交談時，他們都在擔心關稅問題，而關稅的影響還沒有完全顯現出來。

Some say we may not feel that, but politically speaking, the question I have is, does this impact the gubernatorial elections in November in New Jersey and Virginia, but moreover, when does this hit next year?

有人說，我們可能感覺不到，但從政治角度講，我的問題是，這是否會影響新澤西州和弗吉尼亞州 11 月的州長選舉，更重要的是，明年何時會受到影響？

If it does, and how does that affect the midterms?

如果有，這對中期選舉有何影響？

And, you know, there was such hullabaloo to use a word that probably shouldn't be used very much, Emery, over the fact that the last time, last month, when the jobs report came out and the president wasn't happy about it, he got rid of the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics that compiles them.

上個月，當就業報告出爐後，總統對此並不滿意，於是他撤換了負責編制報告的勞工統計局局長。

And so the Commerce Secretary was on this morning.

是以，商務部長今天上午出席了會議。

Interestingly, before we all knew what the jobs numbers were and was once again going after BLS, even though the guy that they removed was, is no longer there.

有趣的是，在我們都知道就業數字是多少之前，他又一次對 BLS 發起了攻擊，儘管被他們撤職的那個人已經不在了。

They're just bent against the president's success.

他們只是一意孤行，反對總統取得成功。

They're rooting against America and against Donald Trump, and that's gotta end.

他們支持反對美國，反對唐納德-特朗普，這種情況必須結束。

So he can't replace somebody, you know, two weeks ago, and you expect fundamental change.

所以，他不能在兩週前換掉一個人，然後期待根本性的改變。

But what you will get is an agency that's on side.

但你將得到的是一個站在你這邊的機構。

Well, there isn't fundamental change yet at BLS.

好吧，BLS 還沒有發生根本性的變化。

The commissioner actually doesn't even have control over the data.

實際上，專員甚至無法控制這些數據。

And then once the press release is written, it's sent to the commissioner and the commissioner then sends it off to the White House and the CAA.

新聞稿寫好後，會發給專員，專員再發給白宮和 CAA。

The one issue that Wall Street has in terms of credibility, and this is the gold standard, the jobs report, the US jobs report is the gold standards of economic data.

華爾街在可信度方面存在的一個問題，就是就業報告，美國就業報告是經濟數據的黃金標準。

The one issue that Wall Street has is the fact that when you go out and the statisticians are looking for these surveys, the response rate has been so low for months.

華爾街面臨的一個問題是，當統計人員出去尋找這些調查時，幾個月來回復率一直很低。

That is why we saw massive revisions last year.

這就是為什麼去年我們看到了大規模的修訂。

That is why we are seeing massive revisions now, to this point where June actually have a negative print, negative 13,000.

這就是為什麼我們現在看到了大規模的修正，以至於 6 月份實際上出現了負增長，負 13,000 人。

That is a huge deal for this economy and for this Federal Reserve.

這對經濟和美聯儲來說都是一件大事。

So the problem is, is that they're not getting 100% of the data when that first print comes out.

是以，問題在於，當第一版印刷出來時，他們並沒有獲得 100% 的數據。

And this is why you have those revisions.

這就是為什麼要進行這些修訂。

When you talk about, though, the new BLS commissioner, I think only this week, his nomination was sent to the Hill.

不過，當你談到新任BLS專員時，我想就在本週，他的提名才被送到國會山。

And many are still questioning, actually, if he's going to be able to get through Senate confirmation.

實際上，許多人仍在質疑他能否通過參議院的確認。

And then there's all of that, but then there's the underlying argument that you're still hearing from the administration, which is to blame the people who are compiling the numbers as opposed to the actual policies.

除了這些，政府還提出了一個基本論點，那就是把責任歸咎於編制數字的人，而不是實際政策。

Or maybe it's just the pendulum of the economy.

Yeah, the argument there, it's an interesting one.

It would kind of be like if you had an NFL owner, right, whose team just lost big and instead of changing the quarterback or the play calling or firing the head coach, they go out and fire the scoreboard operator, right?

這就有點像美國國家橄欖球聯盟（NFL）的老闆，他的球隊剛剛大比分輸球，他們不是更換四分衛、戰術安排或解僱主教練，而是去解僱記分牌操作員，對嗎？

I mean, you might not like the score, but there's probably some bigger issues out there and shooting the messenger is probably not going to fix anything.

我的意思是，你可能不喜歡這個分數，但外面可能有更大的問題，向信使開槍可能解決不了任何問題。

But to get back to something we were discussing earlier about the self-imposed nature of some of this, let's look at manufacturing, right?

但回到我們之前討論過的一些問題，即其中一些問題的自我限制性質，讓我們來看看製造業，對嗎？

So tariffs, they're supposed to be propping up manufacturing.

是以，關稅應該是為了扶持製造業。

And what we're actually seeing is that U.S. manufacturing lost another 12,000 jobs in August.

實際上，我們看到的是，8月份美國製造業又減少了1.2萬個工作崗位。

It's the fourth straight month of job loss.

這是連續第四個月出現就業崗位減少。

It's kind of ironic here because obviously historically high tariffs are supposed to make American manufacturing jobs great again.

這有點諷刺，因為很明顯，歷史上的高關稅本應讓美國製造業的就業機會再次大增。

And I think at best, we're seeing that's off to a very slow start.

我認為，充其量我們看到的是一個非常緩慢的開端。

But at worst, economists are telling me that all of this chaos on the trade front, the tariffs are up and down, they're paused, they're restarted.

但在最壞的情況下，經濟學家們告訴我，貿易方面的所有這些混亂，關稅時高時低，時而暫停，時而重啟。

It's just paralyzing manufacturers and some of them are shedding jobs.

這讓製造商陷入癱瘓，其中一些還在裁員。

They're cutting workers instead of adding them.

Well, that's why we don't know if this is a real weakening or an inflection point.

這就是為什麼我們不知道這是真正的減弱還是拐點。

Corporate America has been really consistent until they get certainty of policy out of Washington, the one big beautiful bill, tariffs.

美國公司在從華盛頓獲得確定性的政策之前，一直都是一以貫之的，這就是那個漂亮的大法案，關稅。

They're basically sitting on the sidelines.

A lot of economists will say corporate America is in a place of stasis.

很多經濟學家會說，美國企業處於停滯狀態。

Now that there's clarity, what the hope from this administration is is that they will actually go out and hire people because they have clarity in terms of what the rates are likely going to be.

現在情況明朗了，本屆政府希望的是，他們會真正去僱人，因為他們已經明確了費率可能會是多少。

Most countries are not going to get among 15%.

So that might be a signal for corporate America to actually go out and hiring, but we don't know yet.

是以，這可能是美國企業真正開始招聘的信號，但我們還不得而知。

That's why the second half of this year, especially going to the midterms next year, is going to be so important.

這就是為什麼今年下半年，尤其是明年的中期選舉會如此重要。

You were talking about, one of you, maybe both of you were talking about the president's approval rating on the economy.

你們在談論，你們中的一位，也許你們倆都在談論總統的經濟支持率。

The difference between January when he became president officially, when he was inaugurated, he was up six on this issue of the economy.

與一月份正式就任總統時不同的是，他就職時在經濟問題上的支持率上升了 6 個百分點。

Now, this is only eight months later, down 18.

現在，這僅僅是八個月後的情況，下降了 18%。