From signing a record deal at 14, she's gone on to become an era defining star along the way, she's picked up seven Grammys two brits become the youngest star to headline, Coachella and Glastonbury and won an Oscar.

從14歲簽下唱片合約開始，她一路走來成為定義時代的明星，她獲得了七個格萊美獎，兩個英國人，成為最年輕的明星，成為科切拉和格拉斯頓伯裡的頭條，並贏得了奧斯卡獎。

She's grown up online in the public, gave connecting her to a global digital generation, performing to sell out arenas with her songwriter brother Phineas Phineas, also joined by her environmentalist parents on tour.

她在網上長大的公眾，給她連接到全球數字一代，與她的作曲家哥哥Phineas Phineas一起在賣座的舞臺上表演，也與她的環保主義者父母一起進行巡迴演出。

She's also got over 100 million followers across social media, making her one of the most influential young stars of her generation.

她在社交媒體上也有超過1億的粉絲，使她成為她這一代人中最有影響力的年輕明星之一。

And this is the final night of her world tour and I've come to have a chat with Billie Eilish, welcome to BBC 100 women, thank you so much for doing this, thank you for having me, how you doing?

這是她世界巡迴演唱會的最後一晚，我是來和Billie Eilish哈拉的，歡迎來到BBC百名女性節目，非常感謝你們做這個節目，感謝你們邀請我，你們好嗎？

I'm doing very well, so I'm gonna read you a couple of descriptions of you.

我做得很好，所以我要給你讀幾篇關於你的描述。

Okay, go for it.

好吧，去吧。

An icon, The hope for pop music's future.

一個偶像，流行音樂未來的希望。

A weird but important feminist.

一個奇怪但重要的女權主義者。

What does that even mean?

這到底是什麼意思？

How would you describe yourself?

你會如何描述自己？

Oh my God, I have no idea.

哦，我的上帝，我不知道。

I don't know.

我不知道。

I feel like I might have known how to answer that question like a couple of years ago.

我覺得我可能在幾年前就知道如何回答這個問題了。

I don't know anymore because I don't look at myself in that way, I don't look at myself like I'm something to explain, You know what I mean?

我不知道了，因為我不以那種方式看自己，我不看自己，就像我是要解釋的東西，你明白我的意思嗎？

I just, I just exist.

我只是，我只是存在。

You know what I'm saying, a person, I'm just a person, I'm just existing and doing my part in life.

你知道我在說什麼，一個人，我只是一個人，我只是存在，在生活中做我的一部分。

You said a couple of years ago that you don't think there are many headlining opportunities for women and then look at you, the youngest person to headline Glastonbury, What do you think has changed for women in that time or has anything changed?

幾年前你說過，你不認為女性有很多做頭條的機會，然後看看你，最年輕的格拉斯頓伯裡的頭條人物，你認為在這段時間裡，女性有什麼變化，或者有什麼變化嗎？

I think a lot has changed.

我認為有很多變化。

I think like we're in such a I mean, I'm just in awe of the time we're in right now because of women are just like at the top right now.

我認為，我們正處於這樣一個......我的意思是，我只是對我們現在所處的時代感到敬畏，因為女性現在正處於巔峰狀態。

I mean, top of all the charts, it's women, women, women.

我的意思是，在所有的圖表中，最重要的是女人、女人、女人。

I mean, it's like the most incredible thing for me to see.

我的意思是，這對我來說是最不可思議的事情。

There was a specific period of time where I was just like, in this like this, like, pit of just like, hopelessness about myself because I didn't have much to look up to in terms of girls like me being in that, you know, looked at taken seriously in that, in that regard.

有一段特定的時間，我就像，在這個像這樣的，就像，對自己無望的坑，因為我沒有什麼可以仰望的，在像我這樣的女孩在那，你知道，在那方面被認真看待。

It's just like, I remember just like crying in my bed because I was I was thinking about the kind of show that I would want to put on and I would just feel so like, hopeless because I was like, I'm a girl and so I'm never I'm never gonna be able to have a show like that I'm never going to be able to just be, you know, free up there and wild and like not, you know, not have this and this going on and like, you know, performing this way and be more physical and be more be more about the performance and less about the at all the little things and I just, I just felt like that would never happen because it hadn't really happened just behind those windows.

這就像，我記得我在床上哭了，因為我在想我想做的那種表演，我只是覺得很像，沒有希望，因為我想，我是個女孩，所以我永遠不可能有這樣的表演，我永遠不可能只是，你知道。在那裡自由自在，狂放不羈，沒有這樣那樣的事情發生，就像，你知道，以這種方式表演，更多的是身體力行，更多的是關於表演，而不是關於所有的小事情，我只是，我只是覺得這永遠不會發生，因為它沒有真正發生在那些窗戶後面。

We've got people camped out, they were here last night when we popped here and they were having so much fun, like listening to your music, getting to know each other and stuff.

我們已經讓人們露營了，昨晚我們在這裡突然出現的時候，他們就在這裡了，他們玩得很開心，比如聽你的音樂，互相認識之類的。

Do you feel the kind of pressure of being that role model for so many young women with this huge platform that you have?

你是否感覺到作為這麼多年輕女性的榜樣，在你所擁有的這個巨大平臺上的那種壓力？

No, I don't feel pressure.

不，我不覺得有壓力。

I feel, I feel so stoked about it.

我覺得，我對它感到非常興奮。

I feel so excited about it and I don't even feel like I'm a role model, let me do this and this.

我感到非常興奮，我甚至不覺得我是一個榜樣，讓我做這個，做這個。

I just feel like I just feel like truly in love with him in love with him and it's like you don't even when you're in love with someone, you don't think about how you might be affecting them because they're affecting you so much and that's kind of how I feel about them.

我只是覺得，我只是覺得真正愛上了他，愛上了他，就像你甚至在愛上一個人的時候，你不會去想你可能會如何影響他們，因為他們正在影響你，這就是我對他們的感覺。

I'm like, I just, I don't know, I'm just like over time and like with different experiences and relationships.

我喜歡，我只是，我不知道，我只是喜歡隨著時間的推移，喜歡不同的經歷和關係。

I've just been like felt more and more like committed to them.

我只是像感覺到越來越像對他們的承諾。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思嗎？

It's like, it's like I feel like I'm like in a relationship with them so any friendship or relationship romantic, whatever they're like one of the first things I say, I'm like, just so you know, you're getting me but you're also getting them.

這就像，這就像我覺得我和他們是一種關係，所以任何友誼或關係的浪漫，無論他們是像我說的第一件事之一，我想，只是讓你知道，你得到我，但你也得到他們。

That's like what I say.

這就像我說的那樣。

Yeah, just f y I they come first.

是的，只是f y I他們先來。

So, You know, if you want to get with me, you gotta get with 44 days, four days.

所以，你知道，如果你想和我在一起，你得和44天，4天在一起。

We've been here since Tuesday night tour.

我們從週二晚上開始就在這裡旅遊了。

We've kept over 300 hours close to 400 hours.

我們已經保持了300多個小時，接近400個小時。

This is for you to send me in a crown.

這是給你的，讓你用皇冠送我。

And then I've got playing cards on my forearms, which are the Joker and the king.

然後我的前臂上有撲克牌，那是小丑和國王。

And then I've got a devil and an angel for all the good girls go to help.

然後我有一個魔鬼和一個天使給所有的好女孩去幫助。

I can't even explain.

我甚至無法解釋。

It just meant so much to me since the beginning, since she was so young the way that she is so open about her emotions and let everybody else feel like it's okay to feel that way.

從一開始就對我意味著很多，因為她是如此年輕，她對自己的情緒如此開放，讓其他人覺得有這樣的感覺也是可以的。

It's unique and it's very different just to speak about love songs as much she speaks more about personal issues.

這很獨特，而且很不一樣，只是講情歌，因為她更多地是講個人問題。

I find really interesting body image, just like everything.

我發現真的很有趣的身體形象，就像一切。

Pretty much everything growing up in the public eye is a very bruising experience.

幾乎所有在公眾視線中成長的東西都是非常傷痕累累的經歷。

And it's really hard to develop and change um for a lot of reasons.

而且由於很多原因，真的很難發展和改變嗯。

And so it was it was hard for me and I was I just didn't really know what to do, and so I was just grasping at straws and like yeah, just like things things were, I just didn't know what I was doing.

所以這對我來說很困難，我只是不知道該怎麼做，所以我只是在加快腳步，就像是的，就像事情是，我只是不知道我在做什麼。

I mean I just had such severe uh impostor syndrome.

我的意思是我只是有如此嚴重的呃冒名頂替綜合症。

I've had that so many times in my life and really just like some parts of last year and the year before, just like I was just in a downward spiral of imposter syndrome and just grasping at whatever I could to make me feel like myself again.

在我的生活中，我有過很多次這樣的經歷，真的就像去年和前年的某些時候一樣，就像我只是處於冒名頂替綜合症的下行期，只是抓著任何可以讓我感覺到自己的東西。

But I didn't know when you say impostor syndrome, you mean feeling that you don't deserve the success more.

但我不知道當你說冒名頂替者綜合症時，你的意思是覺得你不配獲得更多的成功。

Just like, you know when you see yourself in the public eye, especially after me, I'm I'm an internet kid.

就像，你知道當你在公眾面前看到自己時，特別是在我之後，我是我是一個互聯網的孩子。

Like, I see I saw everybody else in the public eye when they were and then suddenly it's me and I'm like, I'm on the internet, just much as just as much as anybody else's, but then it's like, oh, I'm part of the discussion now, instead of just in the comments, which is like a very strange little thing and when you see yourself and your name everywhere, it's really hard to know who the hell you are, and also just like what you like and don't like, because you kind of especially because I got I got known as a thing when I was 15, mainly that was when that was when it kind of started really, even though I started at 13, like 15 was when people decided that that was who I was.

就像，我看到我看到其他人在公眾面前的時候，然後突然是我，我就像，我在互聯網上，就像就像其他人的一樣，但然後就像，哦，我現在是討論的一部分，而不僅僅是在評論中，這就像一個非常奇怪的小東西，當你看到自己和你的名字無處不在。真的很難知道你到底是誰，也很難知道你喜歡什麼和不喜歡什麼，因為你有點特別，因為我在15歲的時候就被稱為一個東西了，主要是那時候開始的，雖然我13歲就開始了，但15歲的時候人們就決定了我是誰。

So it's really hard to change and grow and grow up and mature and like become a human when people decided that you were one thing because then they think about you, they think that that's you forever.

是以，當人們認定你是一種東西的時候，真的很難改變，很難成長，很難成熟，很難成為一個人，因為那時他們想到的是你，他們認為那是永遠的你。

I mean it absolutely drives me insane that you can look up billie eilish and videos that come up are things I said when I was 15, like almost almost nothing, I said before.

我的意思是，這絕對讓我發瘋，你可以查找Billie eilish，出現的視頻都是我15歲時說的東西，就像幾乎沒有，我以前說過的。

two months ago, I still believe.

兩個月前，我仍然相信。

So it's like it's a trip.

所以這就像一次旅行。

What you did say though was like when you think about your identity, you like sort of amalgamating masculine and feminine.

但你說的是，當你考慮你的身份時，你喜歡把男性和女性混合在一起。

Do you think about yourself?

你是否考慮過自己？

Like that still?

還喜歡這樣嗎？

Yeah, I mean, I feel the most powerful when I feel masculine in my life and I, I, I also can find power in femininity.

是的，我的意思是，當我在生活中感覺到陽剛之氣時，我覺得自己最有力量，而我，我也能在女性氣質中找到力量。

It's kind of a balance of both.

這是一種兩者的平衡。

But I, I, what do you mean by masculine?

但我，我，你說的男性化是什麼意思？

I don't know, I've like depending on how I walk and stand in my clothes and my face and my jewelry and my fingers and my, like every, just everything that I, everything that I am day to day, like I feel, I like to feel more more masculine than feminine.

我不知道，我喜歡根據我走路和站立的方式，在我的衣服和我的臉和我的珠寶和我的手指和我的，像每一個，只是我的一切，我每天的一切，像我覺得，我喜歡感覺更多的男性化而不是女性化。

It just makes me feel better um which I struggled with for a long time because I wanted to feel feminine and like it, but I just didn't really and so, um, but then it's like finding moments where you can have that and it feels good still, you know, like right now I'm wearing a tighter shirt and I'm wearing more low cut shirt and like, you know, the older me would have been like, please don't.

它只是讓我感覺更好 嗯，這一點我掙扎了很久，因為我想感覺到女性化，喜歡它，但我只是沒有真的，所以，嗯，但後來它就像找到你可以擁有的時刻，而且感覺還不錯，你知道，就像現在我穿著更緊的襯衫，我穿著更低的襯衫，就像，你知道，老我會喜歡，請不要。

But I like it, it makes me feel good now and it's just the balance of The two, you know, in your documentary or Apple documentary, there was a lovely moment in there where Katy perry pulls you to the side and she said, you know, if you ever need someone to have a chat with, just give me a call about to get crazy in the next few years, have you taken her up?

但我喜歡它，它讓我現在感覺很好，它只是兩者的平衡，你知道，在你的紀錄片或蘋果紀錄片中，有一個可愛的時刻，凱蒂-佩裡把你拉到一邊，她說，你知道，如果你需要有人和你哈拉，就給我打電話，在接下來的幾年裡要變得瘋狂，你有沒有接受她？

Like, you know, I never called her, I should call her up.

就像，你知道，我從未給她打過電話，我應該給她打電話。

I mean, but it's so funny thinking about that now because at the time I just didn't believe her.

我的意思是，但現在想起來真有趣，因為當時我只是不相信她。

Like I just didn't, I just didn't think it would keep going.

就像我只是沒有，我只是沒有想到它會繼續下去。

You know, I mean, I think that it's really hard to see your future like that, you know, when, when your future is so um kind of in the hands of not just you because I would hear that a lot I would hear and not only is it hard to believe, but it's hard to process, you know, and like know what the hell to do at all.

你知道，我的意思是，我認為真的很難像那樣看到你的未來，你知道，當，當你的未來是如此嗯種在不只是你的手中，因為我會聽到很多我會聽到，不僅是很難相信，而且很難處理，你知道，像知道什麼是地獄做在所有。

And when somebody says like, you know, it's about to get crazy, it's about crazy.

而當有人說，你知道，它即將變得瘋狂，它是關於瘋狂。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah, it's yeah, it was already so crazy.

是的，它是的，它已經是如此瘋狂。

I couldn't imagine it being crazier.

我無法想象它有多瘋狂。

And also I was just like You just can't possibly imagine it's like, you know, trying to explain a color that doesn't exist.

我也只是想，你不可能想象，這就像，你知道，試圖解釋一種不存在的顏色。

You don't know, you don't know.

你不知道，你不知道。

My final question is, you know, this theme for this year's 100 women is progress as a woman in music.

我的最後一個問題是，你知道，今年的百名女性的主題是作為女性在音樂方面的進步。

Has there been progress?

是否有進展？

I think so.

我想是的。

I think there's been a lot of progress.

我認為已經有了很大的進步。

I feel, I feel, you know, I was excited with the idea of this being about progress because I feel that there has been a lot and there's been a lot of back pedaling also, you know, with more like the world and the laws and all of that, but I think the law is like, yeah, you know, we're going back in time in certain areas, which makes me want to throw up.

我覺得，我覺得，你知道，我對這是關於進步的想法感到興奮，因為我覺得已經有很多，也有很多後退，你知道，更像是世界和法律和所有這些，但我認為法律就像，是的，你知道，我們在某些領域要回到過去，這讓我想吐。

But I do, I do think there has been a lot of progress and again, the way that women have been just like absolutely towering over everyone in this industry right now is so exciting to me and it just makes me feel really, really hopeful and inspired and, and it's not only women doing one thing, it's women doing all kinds of different things and looking different and acting different and having different styles and different, just like I just love it so much, there's such a range right now and it's so nice to see and it's just so, it's just refreshing.

但我確實認為已經有了很大的進步，同樣，現在女性在這個行業中絕對是高高在上的，這讓我很興奮，這讓我感到非常非常有希望，受到鼓舞，而且不僅僅是女性在做一件事，女性在做各種不同的事情，看起來不同，表現不同，有不同的風格和不同的，就像我非常喜歡它，現在有這樣一個範圍，看到它非常好，它只是如此，它只是令人耳目一新。

I don't know, it's new, it's never been like that and it's just really, it's exciting and it's really cool to be a part of it, so you're hopeful.

我不知道，這是新的，它從來沒有這樣過，它只是真的，它是令人興奮的，成為它的一部分真的很酷，所以你有希望。

I'm hopeful.

我很有希望。

Very helpful.

非常有幫助。

Thank you so much for giving us so much of your time Course.

非常感謝你為我們提供如此多的時間，課程。

Thanks for having me.

謝謝你邀請我。