This is the first time having you on, so thanks.

這是你第一次來到我的節目，謝謝

So I know you were nervous about the entrance.

我知道你對於進場感到有些緊張

I think people feel like they're supposed to dance.

我想大家都覺得他們應該跳舞

And I was really surprised because I

而我真的很訝異因為

was here earlier today for your rehearsal

我今天提早來這裡參與你的排演

and then you abandoned it.

然而你最終放棄了

But we should at least show them the rehearsal

不過我們至少應該讓大家看看彩排

because it was really good.

因為實在是太精采了

[MUSIC PLAYING]

[播放音樂]

[LAUGHING]

[笑聲]

[CHEERING]

[歡呼]

It was good.

真的很棒

[APPLAUSE]

[鼓掌]

Your daughter is looking at you like, I've never

你的女兒看著你好像在說，我從來沒有

seen you dance like that.

看過你這樣跳舞

Hi.

嗨

So the last time we saw each other

我們最後一次見到對方

it was at the White House.

是在白宮

We both were receiving the Medal of Freedom.

我們都獲頒自由勳章

And that was quite a day, wasn't it?

那真是特別的一天，不是嗎？

That was an amazing group.

那是一群傑出的人

Yeah.

是的

Really, really fun.

真的，真的很有趣

So you are here with your daughter who is 21, right?

所以今天你和你的女兒一起來的？她 21 歲，對嗎？

And you were 21 when you became a billionaire.

當你 21 歲的時候已經是百萬富翁了

Is that right?

對吧？

Almost, yep.

可以這麼說，是的

All right, so around that age.

差不多是那個年紀

You were like the youngest person to become a billionaire,

那時你好像是最年輕的百萬富翁

is that right?

對嗎？

Yeah, in terms of earning it on my own, yeah.

是的，就白手起家而言，是的

Right.

好的

OK.

好

Which is the most important thing.

那是最重要的

So when you were a kid, did you care about money?

所以當你還是個孩子的時候，你就已經很在乎金錢了嗎？

Or you just cared about technology

還是你只在乎科技

and it just happened?

而金錢只是附加價值？

Mostly I loved software.

我愛的主要是軟體

I do remember at the private school

我還記得在我就讀的

I went to there were other kids whose families were better off.

私立學校，那裡的孩子的家庭背景都非常好

Like they had a Porsche or something.

他們開保時捷還是什麼

But it wasn't that big of a deal

不過那對我而言不算是什麼

My thing was that I just loved doing software.

我喜歡的是程式設計

I loved hiring people.

我喜歡雇用人

And I was stunned when it ended up being so valuable.

我很訝異最後它變得那麼有價值

Really?

真的嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

It surprised you?

你很驚訝？

Yeah.

是的

Because I always had to be careful that we

因為我總是非常小心避免

wouldn't hire too many people.

雇用太多人

I was always worried because people

我總是擔心因為

who worked for me were older than me and they had kids.

替我工作的人都比我年長而且還有孩子

And I always thought well what if we don't get paid.

而我總是想著如果我們得不到報酬

Will I be able to meet the payroll?

我能夠付出薪資嗎？

So I was always very conservative

因此我在財務這塊我總是

about the finances.

非常的保守

And then when we did go public, what was I?

然後當我們公開上市，那時我幾歲？

30, by then.

30 歲

Then I was kind of stunned at what it multiplied out to.

對於公司價值的倍增我感到震驚

Right.

了解

So, when you became a billionaire,

當你變成一個百萬富翁時，

at what point did you start relaxing?

在那一個時間點，你開始放鬆？

Were you still nervous when you became a billionaire?

當你成為了一個百萬富翁，你還是會緊張嗎？

Like I got to watch this?

像是，我一定要注意這個？

Well I always wanted to have enough money in the bank

我總是希望有足夠的金錢在銀行裡，

so that even if our customers didn't pay us for a year,

就算我們的客人一年都不支付我們款項，

we could still keep paying everybody and do the R&D.

我們仍然可以付每個人薪資，並做研究開發

So I'd still be viewed as conservative.

所以在大家的眼裡我還是被視為保守的

I don't have that many things that are extravagant taste

我沒有很多奢侈品

so it didn't change too much.

這是沒有什麼改變的

So nothing really changed.

所以沒有什麼改變

So you didn't say, oh I'm going to buy a Porsche.

你並沒有說，哦，我要去買一台保時捷

I did.

我買了

That I did.

我的確是買了

All right.

好的

Yeah.

沒錯

You did.

你買了

All right.

好的

Yeah, that was an indulgence.

是啊，那是一個放縱

And then eventually, for my travel, I got a plane.

然後最終為了旅行，我買了台飛機

Which is a huge indulgence.

那是更大的放縱

So those are my two.

這就是我的兩個奢侈品

Well not really, because you travel all the time.

其實也不算是，因為你總是在旅行

So that's important that you have a plane.

因此有一台飛機是很重要的

So you have a Porsche and a plane and that's it?

所以你有一台保時捷和一架飛機，就這樣？

Well, in terms of crazy things, yeah.

就比較瘋狂的事情而言是的

Yeah.

是的

There's not like any like wild-- like you

沒有任何狂熱的-- 像是你

didn't build like an aquarium with sharks in it

沒有建造一座有鯊魚的水族館

or something like that?

或是什麼其他的？

We have a trampoline room in our house.

我們的房子裡有一間跳躍床的房間

Oh wow.

哇

The kids like that.

孩子們喜歡

Indoor trampoline.

室內跳躍床

I recommend it.

我推薦它

Just one giant trampoline?

只是一個巨大的跳躍床？

Yeah.

是的

Yeah, it's a room with a very high ceiling.

是，它是一個有著很高的天花板的房間

Well yeah, I hope.

我希望它是

That would be cruel if you didn't

如果天花板不夠高的話

put a high ceiling in there.

那是很殘酷的事

Go on kids.

去吧孩子

All right, so let's talk about this.

好的，讓我們來談談這個

So you already put $40 billion of your own money

所以你已經投入 400 億美金

into your foundation.

在你的基金會裡

Yep.

是的

$40 billion.

400 億美金

And you've kind of encouraged other billionaires

而且你也鼓勵其他的億萬富翁

to do this as well.

做相同的事

Because it really is kind of up to the people

因為解決世界上的種種問題畢竟是

to fix the problems in the world, it seems, right?

很看個人的，似乎是這樣的，對嗎？

So what is your main focus right now?

所以你目前主要的焦點是放在哪裡？

My wife Melinda and I picked global health as our big thing.

我太太梅琳達和我將全球衛生視為我們重要的大事

The fact that still we have five million kids

事實是我們仍有五百萬個五歲以下

who die under the age of five.

的孩子死亡

Now it was over 10 million when we

當我們開始介入時，有超過 1 千萬個

got started so there's been huge progress over the last 18

孩子死亡，所以在過去的 18 年當中

years.

已經有顯著的進步

So things like malaria, diarrhea.

那些像是瘧疾、痢疾的疾病

Coming up with new drugs and vaccines

推出新型藥物和疫苗

and getting them out to all the kids in the world.

並將它們送個世上所有的孩子

That's our main thing.

這是我們主要的重點

Our second biggest thing is all in the US,

我們次要的大事是針對美國，

which is trying to help improve the education system here.

就是幫助改善這裡的教育制度

Yeah.

是的

[APPLAUSE]

[鼓掌]

And how do you do that?

你要如何去做呢？

I always think you get what you pay for.

我總是認為你有付出才有收穫

So if you don't pay teachers, because most teachers are

如果你不付老師們薪水，因為大部分的老師

paying out of their own pocket to take care of these students.

都是自掏腰包去照顧這些學生的

So how do you do that?

你是如何做到的呢？

Well, there are some really phenomenal teachers.

這裡有一些非常傑出的老師們

And so the dream is that you could take that top 10%

所以我們的夢想是取得前百分之十的菁英

and have them help the others to get best practices, the best

讓他們去幫助其他的老師得到最棒的實習，最棒的

teaching ideas to spread all over the country.

教學理念進而傳播到全國各地

We're listening to you, obviously $40 billion

我們得知了，400 億美金明顯地

does a lot.

起了很大的作用

And there are other people that are helping.

這裡還有其他的人在幫忙

But what can we do?

但是我們能夠做些什麼呢？

What is the best thing that you could say that just one

你能夠告訴我們一個人能夠做到最好

person can do to help?

的幫助是什麼呢？

Well particularly with schools, the ability

針對學校來說，能夠

to go to the local public school or charter school

到公立學校或特許學校

and engage with the kids, mentor kids,

和孩子們做交流，指導孩子

talk about the kind of work you do.

談論你所做的工作

There's huge opportunities there.

這裡有無限的機會

With the challenges, say in Africa, part of it

以非洲來說，面對的挑戰一部分是

is people's voice.

人們的表態

There's a real question now whether the US takes

現在真正的問題是美國是否花費

this less than 1% of our budget that saves tens of millions

我們低於百分之 1 的預算去解救數千萬

of lives and whether we don't prioritize continuing that.

的生命，或者我們不繼續優先處理這件事

So it's a hot debate in terms of is it good for America

所以這是一個熱門的辯論議題，慷慨幫助

to be generous and help the rest of the world

世界其他的國家過著健康的生活

live a healthy life.

對於美國而言是否有益

Well, I mean the fact that you're helping so many people

我的意思是你正幫助世界各地

all around the world.

很多的人

Because that, to me, is what when you have

那對我而言就是

that kind of money, it's for.

金錢真正的用處

That's the best thing you can do actually.

事實上，那是你可以做的最好的事

You're making such a huge difference.

世界因為你而不同

I'm glad you're a billionaire.

我很高興你是個億萬富翁

[APPLAUSE]

[鼓掌]

All right, you can learn more about the Bill and Melinda

好的，你可以利用網站和 gatesletter.com 去了解

Gates Foundation on the website and gatesletter.com.

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