Probably about two.

大概2分吧

Biologically quite a bit.

從生理學的角度來說，相當了解

Well I know they happen every month.

這個嘛，我知道它每個月都會來

To answer your question, five.

根據你的問題，5

Probably about three.

大概3左右吧

-Four. -Four?

-4 -4？

Six maybe.

6...大概吧

Let's see. Cool. Let's find out.

了解！酷，讓我們來一探究竟

Oh God.

天哪

Bag of tricks.

一袋小玩意兒

Christ. What the hell is that?

天啊，這裡頭到底是什麼鬼

Can you identify the items in front of you?

你認得出眼前的這些東西嗎？

Okay I think this is a sanitary towel. Is it?

好，我想這應該是衛生棉，是嗎？

Pad. Tampon.

衛生棉、棉條

-No, I can't... -You don't know what that is.

-呃...我認不出來 -你不知道這是什麼

Pad?

衛生棉？

And looks like something the doctor checks your ears with.

看起來好像醫生用來檢查耳朵的東西

Tube?

管子？

A sanitary towel. That's a tampon.

這是衛生棉，這是棉條

I used to play with these actually when I was younger. My mum I used to ask her, "What

其實我小時候曾經玩過這些東西。我還問過我老媽：「這些

are these for?" and I'd playing them around and she'd be like, "Stop! That costs money!"

東西要用拿幹嘛？」我拿著它們亂玩，然後我媽就大喊「夠了！那要錢的！」

That's a... is that a Mooncup?

這個是...呃...月事杯？

Don't even want to touch that.

完全不想碰它

And is this a Shewee? You know, that they use at festivals.

這個是女用尿斗嗎？你懂得，就是她們在節慶時用的那個

I know what they look like. I couldn't tell you how it works.

我知道它們長怎樣，但我沒辦法解釋要怎麼用

I couldn't give you the name, but I'm assuming that obviously it's a cup that gathers.

我不知道這麼的名字，但我很確信這是用來收集經血的

And this is a menstrual cup.

這叫做月經杯

Oh!

噢！

-A menstrual cup. -Heard of one of those?

-原來是月經杯 -以前有聽過嗎？

Where do you think it goes?

你覺得這個要放哪裡？

Well I can imagine, but just up and hold.

這個嘛，我可以想像，就拿起來然後握住

-So this goes inside the vagina. -Lovely.

-所以這個是要放進陰道裡的 -真棒

Close it like that, and then you insert it into the vagina.

像這樣合起來，然後再塞進陰道裡面

Why do you like...?

為什麼你要....?

Well because it's quite difficult to get it in like this.

這是因為像這樣的話很難放進去

Okay sorry.

噢!抱歉

That opens, and it creates a valve and it collects the blood. And when it's full you

打開之後會形成一個收集經血的活門。當充滿經血之後

just pull it out, wash it, empty it and stick it back in.

只要把它拉出來、洗一洗、倒乾之後再把它插回去

Well, that's quite handy, isn't it? Because it's reusable and you're saving money on the

這個嘛，它還挺方便的，不是嗎?因為它可以重複再利用，還可以省下

ol' tampon bill.

買棉條的錢

And the environment.

還能保護環境

Is this the first time you've touched a tampon?

這是你第一次觸摸棉條嗎?

No, but I've not seen anything like this.

不是，但我以前從沒見過這樣的東西

Okay so how do you think we use them? How do we insert them?

好那你覺得這個要怎麼用?要怎麼塞進去?

You put it up somehow.

就用某種方法放嘛

Okay so you read the instructions.

好那你看一下說明書的指示

Click. It's a lot harder than it looks.

按一下。這比看起來的還難得多

Yeah, I was expecting more...

呃，我預期更多....

You pull it like that.

像這樣拉?

Get into a comfortable position. Most women either sit on the toilet, squat slightly with

為了要調整成舒服的姿勢，大部分的女人會坐在馬桶上，稍微蹲下並

knees bent or stand with one foot on the toilet seat.

彎曲膝蓋或是乾脆一隻腳跨在馬桶上

Sorry. That's just quite funny. Who needs the yoga class? Don't worry. I'm just on my period.

抱歉，這真的有點好笑。誰還需要去上瑜珈啊?別擔心，我月經剛好來了

So what happens next?

所以接下來呢?

-That goes up. -Show me how.

-這個塞進去 -秀給我看

-Up there? -Yeah.

-塞到這裡? -噢

Oh I see.

噢我懂了

This is some rocket science.

這真是門艱深的學問

So you insert it like that. Oh effing hell. Geez. Sorry.

所以你像這樣放進去。噢真該死，我的天啊，抱歉

Well I assume that's inserted into the vagina.

所以我推測這個要塞進陰道

-Using? -Fingers or maybe some... I don't know. No idea.

-用什麼塞? -手指或別的....我也不知道，毫無頭緒

Press like that.

像這樣壓

Nope. Oh, there you go.

不對。噢~出來了

You pull that back, and then this dangles out.

再把這個拉出來，然後這條就掛在外面

It's literally left dangling?

這真的就讓它掛在外面?

-Yeah. -As in...?

-對呀 -就在....?

So when you need to take it out...

所以當你要把它拿出來的時候

-You just give it a little tug. -Pull. Simple.

-你只要稍微拉一下 -拉一下，非常簡單

Yeah.

是阿

What do you think is going to happen?

你覺得接 下來會發生什麼事?

I think it's going to fill the width of the glass.

我想它應該會塞滿整個玻璃杯

Okay, let's go for it.

很好，讓我們來瞧瞧

Oh my God.

我的天呀

Oh my gosh. That's insane.

噢我的天啊!太瘋狂了吧

That happens? Oh okay.

這真的會發生?噢，好吧

Ribbing's holding it in.

兩側的翅膀支撐著整體

I'm disappointed. I thought it was going to get wider.

我有點失望。我以為它會膨脹的更大

Yeah, it's expanding right? Yeah.

噢，它在膨脹對嗎?真的耶

Does it not feel weird?

不會覺得很怪嗎?

So once you've got this inside, how often do you think you have to change it?

所以當你使用棉條的時候，你覺得多久要換一次?

Three or four times a day, something like that.

一天三或四次，大概吧

You just put it in and it's fine, and then you pull it out later.

你只要把它放進去就好了吧，然後晚點再把它拿出來

You change it daily... or weekly?

每天換一次....或每週?

-End of the day? -End of the day, okay.

-一天結束的時候? -一天結束的時候，好喔

Day or two?

每天換或兩天換一次?

Actually you need to change them every four to six hours.

事實上你每四到六小時就要換一次

Well I would be disgusting, wouldn't I, if I were a girl isn't it?

我會很討人厭吧，是吧?如果我是女生的話

I'm quite glad I'm a man, to be honest. Sorry, not to be insensitive but...

老實說我有點慶幸我是個男的。抱歉，無意冒犯但...

What if you're sleeping?

那睡覺的時候呢?

Overnight. How does that work?

一整晚的話。你覺得要怎麼辦?

I don't know. Do you need another one?

我不知道。還需要再一個?

What do you think is going through your mind now as a woman?

那你現在覺得當一個女生是麼感覺呢?

I'd be worried of getting blood everywhere.

我會很怕血滴得到處都是

You're going to have to have these on you, obviously, in your bag. And then what are

很顯然地你需要把這些帶在身上，在袋子裡面。然後呢

you going to have to do during the day? You're going to need access to...

你覺得你一天還需要做什麼?你必須要找到

Toilets to change it. Unless you're going to do it in public.

廁所來換這些東西。除非你要在眾目睽睽之下換

Right. That's not advisable.

是阿。這的確不太妥

Outfit choices.

穿衣的選擇。

Yeah, you'd have to, wouldn't you?

對阿，你不得不這樣，是吧?

Why do you think people don't talk about it?

你覺得人們為什麼不好意思談論月經

I mean, it's bleeding out of your fanny.

我是說，你的生殖器官會流出血...

You've heard people go, "oh you're on your period" or "it's that time of the month again",

你會聽到人們說「噢!你那個來」或是「又是每個月的那時候」

which is kind of an association with you being moody and miserable and things.

而通常這時候都會引發你心情不好或是覺得很悲慘之類的

I think we have this whole taboo about it, like "oh she's on her period". Well so what?

我想我們都認為提到月經是種禁忌像是「噢!她那個來」。所以呢?

I'm going for a pee when I go to the toilet or I'm going for number two. You know, what's

我去廁所的時候要上小號啊，或是要大號啊。你知道的

the big deal? It's natural.

這一點也沒什麼?這是本能

Stigma around talking about menstruation is the bigger issue than the tampon. No periods,

認為談論月經很丟臉比起棉條是更需要被重視的議題。沒有月經

no babies. No babies, no future. So how important is it to understand about menstruation?

沒有寶寶。沒有寶寶，就沒有未來。所以了解月經很重要嗎?

It's very important.

非常的重要

You can't take the bleeding away, but if you could take away the kind of like... shoving

你不可能不流血，但如果你可以去掉那些，摁....像是

it up your sleeve or worrying that it leaks.

要偷偷把棉條藏到袖子裡或是一直擔心月經會流出來

I feel terrible. I'm so sorry.

我感到很抱歉。真的很對不起

Do you think this has changed the way you think about women and their periods?

你覺得經過這次談話有改變你對女人跟月經的想法嗎?

Look, I don't envy you but very sympathetic now.

這個嘛，我不羨慕你，但我現在非常同情你

I came in here thinking I knew at least something about this. Actually I realise how much I

來這裡之前我一直覺得我算是了解月經。但事實上我根本就

didn't know about this.

什麼都不懂

So you didn't know as much as you thought?

所以你沒有你想像中的那麼了解?

-No. -No worries.

-沒有 -沒關係

And I'm sorry.

我真的很抱歉

We boys just don't get it, do we? We just don't have any idea. This is amazing. This

男生們就是什麼都不懂，不是嗎?我們一點都不了解。這真是太驚人了

is like something that you girls do on a monthly basis and men have no real idea about.

你們女生每個月必須面對的這樣的情況，但男人們卻一點都沒概念