Name: 前TSA局長：移民海關執法局(ICE)進駐機場「一點也沒用」！ (Former TSA administrator says having ICE at airport won't 'speed things up')
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ICE agents are now assisting with security at more than a dozen major U.S. airports.

ICE 幹員現在正協助美國十幾個主要機場的安全。

A senior ICE official telling NBC News that at least 50 ICE personnel will work each shift at those airports, not to help with security screening,

一位 ICE 高階官員告訴 NBC News，每個班次至少會有 50 名 ICE 人員在這些機場執勤，不是協助安全檢查，

but to assist in other ways, like crowd control.

而是以其他方式協助，像是人群管制。

President Trump today taking credit for the ICE deployments and also warning that the National Guard could be called to assist next.

President Trump 今天為 ICE 的部署居功，並警告說接下來可能會調動 National Guard 協助。

And I want to thank ICE because they stepped in so, so strongly.

我要感謝 ICE，因為他們非常、非常強有力地介入。

And if that's not enough, I'll bring in the National Guard.

如果這樣還不夠，我會調動 National Guard。

We're not going to have the Democrats destroy our country.

我們不會讓民主黨毀了我們的國家。

It comes as travelers are facing hours-long security lines at multiple airports, with the DHS shut down now in its sixth week.

這是因為旅客正經歷多個機場長達數小時的安全檢查隊伍，而 DHS 已經關閉了第六週。

Nationwide, more than 11 percent of TSA officers who had already missed one full paycheck called out yesterday.

全國有超過百分之十一的 TSA 官員，在已經錯過一份全薪後，昨天也沒來上班。

That, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

這是根據 Department of Homeland Security 的說法。

Five airports had call-out rates of more than 35 percent.

有五個機場的請假率超過百分之三十五。

NBC News correspondent Jesse Kirsch joins me now from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport,

NBC News 的記者 Jesse Kirsch 現在在 Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport 加入我們，

and also with me is former TSA administrator John Pistol.

還有前 TSA 管理員 John Pistol 也和我們在一起。

I know that you've been dealing with ebbs and flows of security lines there in Atlanta.

我知道你在亞特蘭大這裡，一直都在處理安全檢查隊伍的起伏。

Yeah, mostly flow throughout the day, Ryan.

嗯，大部分時間都還算順暢，Ryan。

But this is really the first lull that we have seen since the early morning.

但這真的是我們從清晨以來，看到的第一次比較平靜的時刻。

Notably, however, you see that TV screen right there.

不過，你注意到那邊的電視螢幕了嗎？

When I'm told by our team based here in Atlanta, you would typically on that screen see your TSA wait time.

我們在亞特蘭大的團隊告訴我，通常你可以在螢幕上看到你的 TSA 等候時間。

So we've noticed they have not been advertising that today.

所以我們注意到他們今天沒有公佈這個數字。

And I think that just speaks to how unpredictable and possibly how pessimistic those numbers might be.

我想這就說明瞭那些數字有多麼難以預測，又有多麼悲觀。

But right now, at this main checkpoint, it's pretty quiet.

但現在，在這個主要檢查點，這裡很平靜。

That didn't really develop until the last hour or so.

這大概是到最後一小時才開始的。

Here's some of what we've heard from travelers.

這是我們從旅客那裡聽到的一些情況。

You got here at 8:00 for a 1:00 p.m. flight?

你早上八點到，是要搭下午一點的飛機嗎？

Yes, which is insane, because normally I would get here about 11: 30 for it and get through, grab lunch,

對啊，超瘋狂的，因為平常我大概十一點半到，然後就可以順利通過，吃個午餐，

I don't know how much you've been paying attention to what is causing all the baggage, but

我不知道你對造成這些行李問題的原因有多關注，但是

just the fact that this is where we're at at America's airports.

光是我們現在在美國的機場遇到的狀況，就已經很說明問題了。

And it makes me worried about my 8:00 a.m. flight on Friday when I have to come back.

這讓我擔心我星期五早上八點的班機，我得在那時候回來。

你是搭中午十二點的飛機，六點就到了？

而且我以後也不會再這樣做了。

我已經在這裡待了大概兩個小時了。

而且我不得不重新安排我的班機，

所以。你重新安排是因為錯過了？

因為我錯過了我的第一班飛機。

It was the first flight today or earlier on?

這是今天的第一班飛機，還是早一點的？

So this is your second flight you've booked for today?

所以這是你今天預訂的第二班飛機？

And that young woman told me that she was getting here before 9:00, before 10:00 a.m.

然後那位年輕小姐告訴我，她會在早上九點前、十點前抵達。

So needless to say, Ryan, people's travel plans and entire schedule for the day in some cases being completely reworked by what has been unfolding at airports like what we've seen here in Atlanta.

所以不用說了，Ryan，人們的旅遊計畫和一整天的行程，在某些情況下，都因為像我們在亞特蘭大看到的機場情況而完全被打亂了。

And even though things are not that busy now, you still need to get there early because you just don't know what you could encounter when you get to the airport.

雖然現在人潮沒有那麼擁擠，你還是得提早到，因為你永遠不知道到了機場會遇到什麼狀況。

And tell me, what are ICE agents actually doing to help with those long lines?

跟我說說，ICE 探員們實際上有做些什麼來協助處理那些大排長龍的情況？

They're not actually at the screening locations helping you put your suitcase through the metal detectors, right?

他們其實不會在安檢區幫你把行李放進金屬探測器，對吧？

Well, and to be clear, we have not gone through security ourselves today.

嗯，而且說清楚一點，我們今天自己也沒有通過安檢。

So we don't know exactly what they're doing at every stage of the process.

所以我們不確定他們在流程的每個階段確切在做什麼。

But what I can tell you is what we've been able to see is mostly the agents from ICE walking around the terminal.

但我可以告訴你的是，我們看到的大部分是 ICE 探員在航廈裡巡邏。

We actually, at one point, saw ICE helping a woman get out of a car into a wheelchair and go into the terminal from the curb area.

其實我們有一次看到 ICE 探員協助一位女士從車裡坐上輪椅，然後從路邊區域進入航廈。

What we know from a senior ICE official is that the agents can help with things like checking IDs, with crowd control.

根據一位 ICE 高階官員的說法，探員們可以協助檢查證件、人群管制等事項。

But they are not trained on things like running the X-ray machines.

但他們沒有受過操作 X 光機之類的訓練。

So bottom line, there's only so much they could help with.

所以總結來說，他們能幫忙的程度有限。

And we spoke with the CEO of the airport here earlier.

我們稍早也訪問了這裡的機場 CEO。

He said he doesn't think that they've been here long enough to know if they've made a discernible impact yet.

他說他認為他們在這裡待的時間不夠長，還無法判斷是否已經產生了明顯的影響。

But also, he reiterated as well, there are certain things that would take months to train other people on that only TSA can do.

不過，他也再次強調，有些事情需要幾個月才能訓練其他人學會，而這些事情只有 TSA 才能做到。

As a former TSA administrator, you understand better than any what a complicating factor this is.

身為前 TSA 管理員，你比任何人都清楚這有多複雜。

From your vantage point, listening to what you heard from Jesse, is there any discernible way that ICE agents could help try and make the process a little easier at the nation's airports?

從你的角度聽了 Jesse 的話，你認為 ICE 幹員有沒有辦法在全國機場稍微讓流程變得更順利一點？

Well, I think there's a couple of things that could be done.

One is, for example, in the 435 or so airports where TSA does the screening of things, many of those airports have exit lanes for when you go out of secure area, when you're leaving the airport, that are staffed by TSOs, Transportation Security Officers.

其中一個例子是，在 TSA 負責篩檢的 435 個左右機場，很多機場在離開管制區、離開機場時，都有出口通道，這些通道是由 TSOs，也就是運輸安全官員負責的。

So if ICE agents were assigned there as a supplement, they could relieve the TSOs from those responsibilities to get to the checkpoint to try to offset in a minimal way the high call-out rates that you showed earlier.

所以如果 ICE 幹員被派去支援，他們可以分擔 TSOs 在這些職務上的責任，讓他們能去檢查哨，試著稍微減緩你剛才提到的高召回率。

So that's one thing with the queue management, the line management.

所以這是在隊伍管理、排隊管理方面的一件事。

Perhaps the one thing I think they could actually do be a visible deterrent for putative terrorists who might want to think that they can take advantage of this situation and walk into any terminal in the country, there in Atlanta or wherever,

或許有一件事，我認為他們確實可以做到，那就是對那些可能認為自己可以趁著這個機會，走進全國任何一個機場，無論是在亞特蘭大還是在其他地方，

and to take out some automatic weapons and just start firing at the lines.

拿出自動武器開始朝著排隊的人群掃射的潛在恐怖分子，起到一個顯眼的嚇阻作用。

So it's a security risk because it's a soft target.

所以這是一個安全風險，因為它是一個容易攻擊的目標。

So I think the ICE officers could the agents could be helpful in that regard too as a visible deterrent.

所以我認為 ICE 幹員在這方面也能有所幫助，作為一個顯眼的嚇阻力量。

So President Trump has suggested perhaps maybe the National Guard is the next step here.

所以 President Trump 建議，或許國民兵（National Guard）是下一步。

Would their skill set be any different than that of the ICE agents?

他們的技能組合會和 ICE 幹員有什麼不同嗎？

So again, they're not of any help in terms of the actual checkpoint operations.

所以再次強調，他們在實際的檢查站操作方面沒有任何幫助。

They don't know anything about computer tomography or the X-ray machines, how to do trace explosive detection, how to resolve alarms, any of those things.

他們對電腦斷層掃描或 X 光機、如何進行爆炸物痕跡偵測、如何處理警報，任何這些事情都一無所知。

And that's just the normal circumstances.