Name: 恩騰剖析海格斯令人反感的民意，對比歷任國防部長！ (Enten breaks down Hegseth's unpopularity vs. past defense secretaries)
Uploaded: 2026-03-20T16:42:04.000Z
Duration: 8 min 50 s

There is no briefing from the Pentagon today.

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But when they do brief many people, including us, we've observed you almost get two briefings at once.

但當他們簡報時，很多人，包括我們，都會發現你幾乎同時得到兩場簡報。

You get the chair of the Joint Chiefs, Dan Kaine, who gives a nuts and bolts review of the facts in the ground and in the air over Iran.

你會聽到參謀長聯席會議主席 Dan Kaine，他會對伊朗地面和空中實況進行實際的檢討。

And then you also get what is really a very political briefing from the secretary of Defense, Pete Hexith, with almost campaign like rhetoric and terminology.

然後你也會聽到國防部長 Pete Hexith 進行一場非常政治性的簡報，用詞和術語都像是在競選。

With us now, CNN chief data analyst Harry Yetton.

現在加入我們的是 CNN 資料分析總監 Harry Yetton。

So how popular is the secretary of Defense and what he's doing?

那麼這位國防部長和他做的這些事受歡迎嗎？

And those briefings are going over like a lead balloon.

Look at the net approval, net popularity rating for Pete Hegseth in recent polling.

看看 Pete Hegseth 在近期民調中的淨認可度、淨人氣指數。

You look at Quinnipiac, look at this, 15 points underwater.

你看看 Quinnipiac，看看這個，落後 15 個百分點。

YouGov even lower, way down there at minus 18 points.

YouGov 更低，降到負 18 個百分點。

This has been the story of the Trump presidency and it is the story of Pete Hegseth.

這一直是川普總統任期的故事，也是 Pete Hegseth 的故事。

You think you see unpopularity overall, look at independence even lower, minus 28 points among independents according to Quinnipique.

你覺得整體人氣不高，看看獨立選民的部分更低，根據 Quinnipiac 的數據，獨立選民中是負 28 個百分點。

And then taking the cake, look at this, 33 points underwater.

而最誇張的，看看這個，負 33 個百分點。

Pete Hegseth is with Independence according to Yahoo.

Pete Hegseth 在 Yahoo 的獨立選民中。

As I said at the beginning, he's going over like a lead balloon, not just overall, but

正如我一開始說的，他就像個鉛氣球一樣不受歡迎，不只是整體，

And the type of political partisan language he uses is a break from almost every secretary of defense in the past that I can certainly think of.

而且他使用的政治黨派語言，與我能想到的幾乎所有過去的國防部長都不同。

So how does his popularity compare to those past secretaries?

那麼，他的受歡迎程度與過去的部長們相比如何？

Yeah, past secretaries of defenses at a time of war this early on in the war tend to be very popular, very different.

是的，過去的國防部長在戰爭初期，戰爭的早期階段，通常都很受歡迎，非常不同。

Secretary of defense has net popularity at this point in the Gulf War.

國防部長在灣岸戰爭的這個階段，人氣淨值是。

他的支持度比平均高出 62 個百分點。

Look at Donald Rumsfeld who of course became unpopular later.

再看看唐納·拉姆斯菲爾德，他後來當然變得不受歡迎了。

But at the beginning of the Iraq war, look at this.

但在伊拉克戰爭初期，看看這個。

他的支持度比平均高出 58 個百分點。

It's just completely on the other side of the aisle, 17 points below water in the average.

這完全是另一邊的表現，平均支持度比平均低 17 個百分點。

I mean Donald rumsfeld was what, 75 points more popular than Pete Hegseth was in the popularity.

我的意思是，唐納·拉姆斯菲爾德比 Pete Hegseth 受歡迎多少？

And Dick cheney was nearly 80 points more popular.

而迪克·錢尼則比他受歡迎將近 80 個百分點。

This war is being received completely differently, at least when looking at the secretary of Defense's.

這場戰爭的評價完全不同，至少從國防部長的評價來看是這樣。

Normally secretary of Defenses are celebrated early in wars.

通常國防部長在戰爭初期都會受到讚揚。

At this point, Pete Hegseth is anything but celebrated.

到目前為止，Pete Hegseth 根本不受歡迎。

Can you say, hey, you know, Donald Trump's unpopular, so all of his secretaries of defense must be unpopular?

你會說，嘿，你知道，川普不受歡迎，所以他所有的國防部長都必須不受歡迎嗎？

Secretary of defense is, under the first Trump administration were popular, especially Mad Dog Mattis.

在川普政府初期，國防部長是受歡迎的，特別是瘋狗馬提斯。

Approval of Trump's net approval of Trump's Secretary of Defense.

川普政府國防部長的淨支持度。

Mad dog Mattis was 37 points above water.

37 points above water at this point in Trump's first term.

在川普總統任期的這個時間點，是正 37。

Compare that again, that Pete Hegseth, 17 points below order.

再來比較一下，這個 Pete Hegseth，是負 17。

We're talking about Mattis being more than 50 points more popular in the net popularity rating than Pete Hegseth was.

我們在說的是，馬提斯在淨支持度上，比 Pete Hegseth 受歡迎超過 50 個百分點。

Pete Hegseth is truly unique when it comes to Secretary of Defense as breaking records when it comes to unpopularity at this point in a presidency.

說到國防部長在這個總統任期的這個時間點創下不受歡迎紀錄，Pete Hegseth 真的非常特別。

One of these things is not like the other.

The Trump administration is planning to ask Congress for $200 billion.

川普政府正計畫向國會請求 2000 億美元。

The president says this is a small price to pay.

A lot of Republicans are having a tough time with that.

很多共和黨人都覺得很難接受。

I've already told leadership I am a no on any war supplementals.

我已經告訴黨團領袖，我反對任何戰爭的額外撥款。

I am so tired of spending money elsewhere.

我真的厭倦了把錢花在別的地方。

We need America first policies right now.

我們現在需要美國優先的政策。

To what extent is the Congress engaged in this?

國會在這方面參與到什麼程度？

And the answer on most of this is, I. I don't know.

而大部分的答案是，我。我不知道。

All right, joining me now in the group chat, Seung Min Kim, White House reporter for the Associated Press, Michael Warren, senior editor at the Dispatch, and

好的，現在加入我們群組哈拉的是《美聯社》白宮記者 Seung Min Kim，以及《Dispatch》資深編輯 Michael Warren，還有

I want to start with our White House reporter because there's a lot of money flying around between the war for Ukraine.

我想先問問我們的白宮記者，因為烏克蘭戰爭涉及很多資金的流動。

Can you give me a sense of the scale of what they're asking for?

你能給我一個他們要求的規模嗎？

Is this the first of many asks or part of an ongoing.

這是許多請求中的第一個，還是持續進行的一部分？

Well, it could be just the first because, remember, this is actually what the Pentagon is asking of the White House.

嗯，這可能只是第一個，因為請記得，這其實是五角大廈向白宮提出的請求。

And it's not just the Pentagon that has a role in this war.

而且在這場戰爭中，不只是五角大廈有角色。

It's the State Department that's also probably going to need extra money.

國務院也可能需要額外的資金。

I'm told by my sources that that figure is still being formulated.

我的消息來源告訴我，這個數字還在擬定中。

But I just want to put into context $200 billion.

但我只想把 2000 億美元放在脈絡裡。

If you look at that figure, if you look at all the money that the US has contributed for the war in Ukraine that happened after the Russian invasion in 2022, depending on, depending on the statistics that you look at, it's about $180 billion.

如果你看看這個數字，看看美國為 2022 年俄羅斯入侵後發生的烏克蘭戰爭所貢獻的所有資金，根據你參考的統計數據，大約是 1800 億美元。

我的意思是，不是隻有我在算。

Let me play for you some sticker shock reaction from some Republicans.

讓我來播放一段共和黨人對此的震驚反應。

Thomas Massie, kind of evergreen there in terms of his response to the administration.

Thomas Massie，就他對政府的反應來說，總是那麼一貫。

He asks, is this the first and then you have someone like, let's see, this is Shelley Moore Capito, who is saying it was twice what I thought it was going to be.

他問，這是第一個嗎？然後你會看到像，讓我想想，這是 Shelley Moore Capito，她說這是我原以為的兩倍。

這些是，這是我的共和黨同事們。

Why are they surprised when you heard Hegseth say, look, it takes a lot of money to kill the bad guys?

為什麼他們會感到驚訝，當你聽到 Hegseth 說，聽著，要幹掉壞人需要很多錢？

There's been no case made, no sustained and consistent and frequent case from the president either before, certainly before, that this war happened.

從來沒有人提出過，總統也從來沒有持續、穩定、頻繁地提出過，在戰爭發生之前，當然是在戰爭發生之前。

And now since the war has started, not just not to the American people, not to foreign allies, not to allies within his party, and

而現在戰爭開打後，不只是對美國人民、對外國盟友、對他黨內的盟友，

And I think that these questions are the kind of questions that Congress is supposed to ask.

我認為這些問題，正是國會應該要提出的問題。

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