Name: 天文物理學家、宇宙學家談川普承諾公開 UFO 檔案！ (Astrophysicist, cosmologist on Trump’s promise to release UFO files)
Uploaded: 2026-02-21T23:31:08.000Z
Duration: 9 min 55 s

The Pentagon says it will work with other agencies to fulfill President Trump's directive to release files related to extraterrestrial life and unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAPs.

五角大廈表示，他們將與其他機構合作，執行川普總統關於釋出與外星生命及不明飛行物（UAPs）相關檔案的指令。

Now, this comes after the president gave the directive on his social media.

這項消息傳出，是因為總統在他的社群媒體上發布了這項指令。

Let's bring in Avi Loeb, astrophysicist and director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at Harvard University and the author of the First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth.

現在，我們請到哈佛大學理論與計算研究所所長、天體物理學家，也是《地球以外智慧生命的第一個跡象》一書的作者艾維·勒布。

What challenges do you see in declass classifying information relating to extraterrestrial life and UAPs?

在解密與外星生命及UAPs相關的資訊方面，你看到了哪些挑戰？

The material that is currently classified could be classified in order for adversarial nations not to be aware of the level, the quality of the data that we collect in defending the nation.

目前被列為機密的資料，可能是為了不讓對抗國家知道我們在保衛國家時所收集資料的層級和品質。

And as a result of that, even if it deals with objects that have nothing to do with our adversaries, the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies might be reluctant to share it.

是以，即使這些資料與我們的對手無關，五角大廈和情報機構也可能不願意分享。

There could be another reason that both the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies are unable to identify some objects, and

也可能是另一個原因，就是五角大廈和情報機構都無法辨識某些物體，而

they do not want to admit that they're not doing their job.

他們不想承認自己沒有做好工作。

And so they don't want to face scrutiny on the.

所以他們不想面對這方面的審查。

For example, we all know about the story of the Chinese spy balloon that was not identified for a while.

舉例來說，我們都知道中國的間諜氣球，有一段時間都沒被辨識出來。

And so for a variety of reasons, some of this data is under wraps and difficult to declassify.

所以基於各種原因，有些資料被封存，難以解密。

However, my point is that anything to do with what happened 50 years ago is irrelevant to the battlefield today.

不過，我的重點是，任何跟50年前發生的事有關的資料，對今天的戰場來說都已經不重要了。

So the technologies that humans employed back then are very much inferior to what we are using now.

所以當時人類使用的技術，跟我們現在用的相比，已經差很多了。

And therefore, that kind of data should be released and shared with scientists so we can help government figure it out.

是以，這類資料應該要公開，並分享給科學家，這樣我們才能協助政府找出答案。

Because there is a remote chance that maybe there was evidence for technologies that originated beyond this earth.

因為有極小的可能性，或許有證據顯示技術起源於地球以外。

And you know, Avi, this is a topic that so many people find fascinating for one reason or another.

而且你知道的，艾維，這是一個很多人都覺得很有趣的話題，原因有很多。

And I almost have to ask here, should we temper our expectations?

所以我們是不是該稍微降低一下期待呢？

Because I'm sure people are expecting to find out some sort of shocking information once this is all released.

因為我確定大家在這些資訊公開後，都希望能發現一些驚人的內容。

Well, it all depends on what the government holds secret.

嗯，這就看政府到底還藏了多少祕密。

而到目前為止，我們還不知道。

I haven't been exposed to that evidence, but

there are people that either serve within government or military personnel told us that there is something really unusual that we haven't seen.

有些在政府或軍隊裡服務過的人告訴我們，有些非常不尋常的東西是我們還沒見過的。

And so in that sense, I'm very curious to figure it out.

所以從這個角度來說，我非常好奇想弄清楚。

I think there is something out there, and

that's the reason that the former President Obama talked about it and the current President Trump initiated this release.

這也是前總統歐巴馬談論這件事，以及現任總統川普啟動這次公開的原因。

It means that it's quite likely that there are people within government that just don't know what to make of it.

這表示政府裡很可能有些人對這些事感到很困惑。

And in that case, perhaps it indicates something really unusual and it will open a new age of disclosure that potentially would lead to the next Copernican revolution where, you know, right now we know we are not at the center of the universe, but

在這種情況下，也許這代表著一些真正不尋常的事，並且會開啟一個新的揭露時代，這可能會導向下一場哥白尼革命，你知道的，現在我們知道我們不是宇宙的中心，但是

we still think that we are at the top of the food chain of the Milky Way galaxy, and

我們仍然認為我們是銀河系食物鏈的頂端，而且

we might find out that there is actually a more accomplished sibling of our family of intelligent civilizations out there.

我們可能會發現，其實在宇宙中有一個更傑出的智慧文明家族成員。

Avi, do you think the Pentagon will actually put out all the information it has about extraterrestrial life?

艾維，你認為五角大廈會把所有關於外星生命的資料都公開嗎？

Or in your opinion, what information do you think they can safely put out so the public can digest?

或者在你認為，他們可以安全地公開哪些資料，讓大眾能夠消化？

They can safely disclose information that is beyond any doubt unrelated to human made technologies.

他們可以安全地公開那些毫無疑問與人造技術無關的資料。

If you see an object behaving in ways that are well outside the performance envelope of existing human technologies, that should be released.

如果你看到一個物體以遠遠超出現有人類技術性能範圍的方式運行，那應該被公開。

If you see something accelerating, you know, an unprecedented rate or moving at very high speed, you know, that cannot be done by our equipment.

如果你看到某樣東西以驚人的速度加速，你知道的，我們的設備做不到。

And we know pretty much what adversarial nations are using.

而且我們大概知道對抗國家在用什麼。

So that is the kind of data that should be shared and also data from a long time ago that is not relevant to the present day battlefield.

所以這類型的資料應該被分享，還有一些很久以前、跟現今戰場無關的資料。

So I do feel that there is a lot for them to consider, and

所以我確實覺得他們有很多需要考慮的地方，而且

I would be happy to either help Congress analyze that kind of evidence or perhaps collaborate with people at the Pentagon that, for example, at the office that was established, established there, the old Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, to analyze such anomalies.

我很樂意協助國會分析這類證據，或者與五角大廈的人合作，例如在那個已經成立的、舊的 Domain Anomaly Resolution Office，來分析這些異常現象。

All right, Avi, I have to ask about this.

好的，艾維，我必須問你這個問題。

So what kind of information have you seen in regards to intelligent alien life through all of your work in this topic?

所以透過你對這個主題的所有研究，你看到了哪些關於智慧外星生命的資訊？

Yeah, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence, but

是的，我沒有看到任何確切的證據，但是

we really did not fund any substantive research in this direction.

我們真的沒有資助任何實質性的這方面的研究。

And, you know, right now the mainstream of the astronomy community is willing to allocate more than $10 billion in the search for microbes, looking for the chemical fingerprints of microbes in the atmospheres of planets around other stars.

你知道的，目前主流的天文學界願意投入超過一百億美元來尋找微生物，尋找其他恆星周圍行星大氣中微生物的化學指紋。

But I argue that we should allocate similar funds to the search for technological signatures because they might be easier to detect even if microbes are far more abundant.

但我認為我們應該投入類似的資金來尋找科技訊號，因為即使微生物多得多，它們可能也更容易被偵測到。

And I think it's a matter of common sense to imagine, especially if you read the news every day, you realize there could be a smarter kid on the block.

而且我認為這是一個常識性的想像，特別是如果你每天看新聞，你會發現可能會有更聰明的鄰居。

Thank you so much for your time today on 24.

非常感謝您今天在24頻道的時間。

讓我們請新任CBS新聞特約記者珍妮特·萊文加入。

Let's bring in new CBS News contributor Janet Levin.

Jana is a professor of physics and astronomy at Barnard College of Columbia University.

Jana 是哥倫比亞大學巴納德學院的物理學和天文學教授。

So what do we know about extraterrestrial life?

那麼，我們對外星生命瞭解多少呢？

Well, astronomers are very excited about this prospect.

嗯，天文學家對這個前景感到非常興奮。

Actually, if you look even in the environment just around the Earth, there are thousands of other planets.

事實上，即使看看地球周遭的環境，也有成千上萬的其他行星。

If we look in our own solar system, we're the only example of a planet that's really harboring, teeming with life.

如果看看我們自己的太陽系，我們是唯一一個真正孕育、充滿生命的行星。

And so I think the big debate is how rare.

所以我認為主要的爭論點在於有多稀少。

And also, if you look at technological species like us who are manipulating their environment and actually exploring space, we're kind of precarious, Right?

而且，如果你看看像我們這樣正在操縱環境並實際探索太空的科技物種，我們其實有點岌岌可危，對吧？

We're having very negative impact in many ways on our planet.

我們在很多方面對我們的星球都產生了非常負面的影響。

It's not clear that technologically advanced civilizations will survive and survive long enough to go visit other planets.

科技先進的文明是否能存活下來，並且存活夠久去拜訪其他行星，這點並不清楚。

So when you, when we're talking about extraterrestrial life, are we talking about little green men running around or not so much?

所以當我們談論外星生命時，我們是在說到處跑的小綠人，還是不是呢？

So scientifically, we're really interested in microbes.

所以從科學上來說，我們真的對微生物很感興趣。

這也是地球上生命開始的方式。

We're really hoping to see the beginnings of life even before multicellularity.

我們真的很希望能看到生命萌芽，甚至在多細胞生物出現之前。

現在，我們要保持開放的心態。

I mean, we want to be open to the possibility that there's other civilizations that also want to explore space.

我的意思是，我們要對可能存在其他也想探索太空的文明保持開放。

But the first port is really just to see the simplest organisms.

但首要的還是，我們只想看到最簡單的生物。

My dream is there's a little rocky out there.

我的夢想是，那裡有顆小小的岩石行星。

Fans of Hail Mary will know what I'm talking about.

《海爾·瑪麗》的粉絲會知道我在說什麼。

All right, so when these files are released, what will you be looking for?

好的，所以這些檔案公開後，你會在裡面尋找什麼呢？

Well, obviously, if there's anything in them, it would be really thrilling if there are claims of actual technologies from other civilizations.

嗯，很明顯，如果裡面有什麼，如果能有來自其他文明的實際技術的說法，那就太令人興奮了。

I don't think anyone's really expecting that scientifically.

我認為從科學上來說，沒有人真的期待那樣。

I think if you're expecting that, you're going to be disappointed.

But I don't know, maybe something was carried here on a natural object that plunged to Earth from our solar system.

It is conceivable that, that they could transport microbes that originated somewhere else in the galaxy.

So what you're saying is when these files are released, I'm not going to be able to understand them.

I'm going to need you to come here and translate them.