Name: 噪音：那個不太沉默的殺手？ – BBC 世界服務《全球故事》Podcast (Noise: The not-so-silent killer? - The Global Story podcast, BBC World Service)
Uploaded: 2026-01-25T08:04:05.000Z
Duration: 18 min 51 s

Hi, I'm Johnny diamond and from the BBC World Service.

哈囉，我是 Johnny Diamond，來自 BBC 世界服務。

The chances are there's a lot more noise out there than you, a human being, were really made for.

很有可能那裡的噪音比你，一個人類，真正能承受的還要多。

And the chances are if you live in a noisy city or a noisy part of a city, or you're just exposed to noise quite a lot, that it's making your health worse, it's degrading and could be shortening your life.

而且很有可能，如果你住在一個吵雜的城市或城市的某個吵雜區域，或者你就是經常暴露在噪音中，這會讓你的健康變差，正在損害你的健康，甚至可能縮短你的壽命。

So listen, listen to the not so silent killer.

所以聽聽，聽聽這個不那麼沉默的殺手。

With me today is James Gallagher, the BBC's health and science correspondent who's been looking into the way that noise affects our health and our lives.

今天和我一起的是 James Gallagher，BBC 的健康與科學記者，他一直在研究噪音如何影響我們的健康和生活。

Let me start with you and noise and how you personally feel about it.

我想先問你，關於噪音，你個人有什麼感覺？

I mean, will you go to like a pub or a bar that's really noisy and do you feel oppressed?

意思是，你會去那種很吵的 pub 或 bar，而且會覺得很不舒服嗎？

Would you go to a gig, a concert and spend an hour and a half with your ears being assaulted?

你會去聽演唱會，待一個半小時，耳朵被轟炸嗎？

No, I love going to a gig or a concert or spending a night out.

不，我喜歡去聽演唱會或出去玩。

Kind of like the atmosphere lifts you, doesn't it?

有點像是氣氛讓你振奮，對吧？

At the same time, I now have three children, so I love a little bit of quiet, right.

同時，我現在有三個孩子了，所以我喜歡一點點的安靜，對吧。

And actively seek a little bit of quiet time whenever I possibly can.

而且只要我有可能，就會積極尋找一點安靜的時間。

Because sometimes you do just feel overwhelmed by the noise of my children.

因為有時候你真的會被孩子們的吵鬧聲搞得不堪重負。

But at one point I used to live in Belfast and I lived quite close to the flight path for Best Belfast City Airport.

但以前我住在貝爾法斯特，離貝爾法斯特城市機場的航線很近。

And you kind of think, maybe I'll get used to this.

你可能會想，也許我會習慣的。

I'm not entitled to having made this program I ever did.

Ah, you have, but you've, you've lived in high noise environment.

啊，你經歷過，而且你住在高噪音環境裡。

Let's talk about perhaps why you shouldn't give us a sort of broad introduction to the work that you've been on, looking at how noise affects us and in particular, I guess, how noise affects our health.

我們來談談，也許你為什麼不該對你參與過的這項工作做一個廣泛介紹，這項工作是探討噪音如何影響我們，特別是，我想，噪音如何影響我們的健康。

I think you've said the most important thing there, Jonny.

我覺得你說了最重要的一點，Jonny。

And I think that's something that you might find it maybe irritating at times or disruptive or a little bit frustrating.

我覺得這件事，你可能會覺得有時候有點惱人、有點令人困擾，或是有點令人沮喪。

But the science definitely backs up the concept that it has a deeper impact on our human bodies than just something that maybe affects our hearing.

但科學研究確實證實了，它對我們人類身體的影響，比單純影響聽力還要深遠。

Because how many times have you heard of the go back to Your rock concert, the aging rocker that's lost their hearing from playing too many loud gigs.

因為你聽過多少次，回到你聽演唱會，那些老搖滾樂手因為玩太多大聲的演唱會而失去聽力。

We're very familiar with it having that kind of impact on our ears.

我們對它會對耳朵造成那樣的影響，其實非常熟悉。

But something that might affect your heart risk, how your brain functions, are deeper questions about human physiology that scientists are answering.

但有些事情可能會影響你的心臟風險，還有你的大腦功能，這些都是科學家正在解答的關於人類生理學更深層的問題。

But I felt that maybe we as a general population weren't really kind of aware of it appears now to be one of the sort of modern ills.

但我感覺，我們一般大眾可能並沒有真正意識到，它現在似乎是現代文明病之一。

And the comparison which I guess might be drawn is with another modern ill that until relatively recently, no one spent an awful time thinking about, and that's air pollution.

而我猜可以做出的比較，是跟另一個現代文明病，直到最近，沒人花很多時間去想它，那就是空氣汙染。

I think that is a fair parallel, and largely because one of the major sources of both is traffic.

我認為這個比較是公平的，而且很大程度上是因為兩者一個主要的來源都是交通。

So traffic is probably one of the biggest sources of noise pollution and one of the biggest everyday sources of air pollution.

所以交通很可能是噪音汙染最大的來源之一，也是空氣汙染最大的日常來源之一。

And it's often ranked when you consider what are the environmental factors that could be damaging our health.

當你考慮到哪些環境因素可能會損害我們的健康時，它經常被列入其中。

Largely speaking, researchers that do the number crunching on this to work out what is the impact on life expectancies and cardiovascular health, they tend to put, give or take, air pollution and noise pollution in the same bracket in terms of the impact it's having on our health.

總的來說，那些進行數據分析，計算對預期壽命和心血管健康影響的研究人員，他們傾向於將空氣汙染和噪音汙染在對我們健康影響的層級上，大致放在同一個級別。

And I think it can be quite challenging to realize that, because if we think of air pollution that's like chemicals that are inside the air that we're breathing in that then damages our body.

而且我認為要意識到這一點可能相當困難，因為如果我們想到空氣汙染，那就像是我們呼吸的空氣裡面的化學物質，然後會損害我們的身體。

And conceptually that's really easy to understand.

The idea that a physical force, actually the compression of air rhythmically to create a sound that could cause that, that's a very different thing to wrap your head around, isn't it, Johnny?

但聲音的物理力量，也就是空氣規律性的壓縮產生聲音，竟然會造成那樣的影響，這真的有點難以想像，對吧，Johnny？

Let's go to Barcelona, to the Spanish city of Barcelona.

我們去巴塞隆納，西班牙的巴塞隆納市。

Sounds like, yeah, sure, one of us did, one of us didn't.

聽起來好像是，嗯，沒錯，我們其中一人有，另一人沒有。

And there public health officials actually studied or tried to study the impact of noise pollution and came up with numbers.

在那裡，公共衛生官員實際研究或試圖研究噪音汙染的影響，並得出了一些數據。

They came up with what they said were clear impacts on health and longevity.

他們得出了一些他們認為對健康和壽命有明顯影響的數字。

So, well, they did that, but just for one source of noise pollution.

所以，嗯，他們確實這麼做了，但只針對一種噪音汙染的來源。

So they were only looking at traffic noise and they came up with.

所以他們只看交通噪音，然後他們發現了。

They thought that around 300 heart attacks per year could be attributed to noise in about 30 deaths per year, down to the noise of traffic in just one city in the world.

他們認為，在全世界一個城市的交通噪音，每年可能導致大約 300 起心臟病發作和約 30 人死亡。

So would you think of one source of noise pollution and one outcome in terms of health, looking at the cardiovascular system?

所以，你會想到一種噪音汙染來源和一種對心血管系統的健康影響嗎？

And is that about a cumulative amount of noise or rather a certain amount of noise over a certain level, over a certain amount of time?

這是累積的噪音量，還是指在一定時間內，超過一定水準的特定噪音量？

This isn't like a motorbike goes past you, goes really loud and then you drop down.

這不是像摩托車從你身邊經過，非常大聲，然後你就倒下了。

It's not that it's a more subtle thing that happens over time and how noise above a certain amount starts to cause changes in the body and those changes over time.

這不是那種隨著時間發生的更微妙的事情，以及超過一定量的噪音如何開始引起身體的變化，以及這些變化隨著時間的推移。

And we're probably talking decades here, but people live in busy cities for decades.

我們可能說的是幾十年，但人們在繁忙的城市生活了幾十年。

They're the things that over that length of time start to cause the changes that increase your risk of having things like heart attacks and strokes.

這些就是在那段時間裡開始引起變化，增加你罹患心臟病和中風風險的因素。

而且這對你來說真是地獄般的考驗。

You actually went to Barcelona, you met people there and you looked into their exposure to noise.

你去了巴塞隆納，在那裡認識了一些人，並瞭解了他們暴露於噪音的情況。

Well, I met a lovely woman called Coco who lives in.

嗯，我認識了一位可愛的女士，名叫 Coco，她住在。

In kind of like a historic part of Barcelona where it's actually mostly pedestrianized.

在巴塞隆納一個歷史悠久、大部分是行人專用區的地方。

So it's kind of traffic noise isn't the problem there.

所以那裡的交通噪音不是問題。

And it has this lovely sense of community there.

And you could really immediately sense the community spirit of living there.

而且你馬上就能感受到那裡的社群生活氣氛。

But for Coco, the noise is the massive problem of living there and is probably why she's going to leave and move out.

但對 Coco 來說，噪音是住在那裡一個很大的問題，這也可能是她要離開搬走的原因。

So we went out onto her balcony and it's, you know, I'm quite jealous because you open her balcony and there across the Barcelona skyline, you can see the Sagrada.

所以我們走到她的陽臺，你知道嗎，我有點嫉妒，因為你打開陽臺門，就能看到巴塞隆納的天際線，可以看到聖家堂。

And but immediately below you have this kind of like massive courtyard and in that courtyard there is a space for walking dogs.

而且就在你下方，有一個非常大的庭院，庭院裡有一個遛狗的空間。

That courtyard there is also a public space.

So that community spirit, that's all there is also shared when people want to have birthday parties.

所以那種社群精神，在大家想辦生日派對時，也都是在這裡共享的。

But it's also a place that people will have concerts and where young people congregate to drink alcoholic beverages and steps, which young people never do anywhere.

但這裡也是大家辦演唱會的地方，也是年輕人聚集喝酒的地方，而年輕人去哪裡從來不做這種事。

And so all that is like a different source of noise.

而且所有這些就像是另一種噪音來源。

Not traffic noise, but kind of like the noise of human life and experience.

不是交通噪音，而是人類生活和經驗的噪音。

And that is what's just driving her to distraction.

She has incredibly high stress levels because she goes to work and then she never feels she can relax at home because she's always having to deal with the large amount of noise that's there.

她的壓力非常大，因為她去上班後，在家裡就覺得無法放鬆，因為她總是必須應付那裡大量的噪音。

I mean, she played me some video audio clips that she recorded on her phone of what it's like one of them people partying just outside in that communal area.

她給我聽了一些她用手機錄下的影片音訊片段，內容是關於人們在公共區域開派對的聲音。

You could hear the glass in her windows vibrating to the sound of it.

你可以聽到她窗戶玻璃隨著聲音在震動。

Coco said she'd been hospitalized twice with chest pains because there will be people who think, you know, God, modern life.

Coco說她曾兩次因為胸痛住院，因為有些人會想，天啊，現代生活。

Everyone complains about everything now, but it is.

現在每個人都在抱怨，但這是真的。

There's a direct link between the chest pains that Coco has and the noise that she experiences.

Coco的胸痛和她經歷的噪音之間有直接關聯。

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