Name: 億萬富翁俱樂部？世界領袖們加入川普「和平委員會」的奇特組合 | DW News (A billionaire's club? The odd mix of world leaders signing up for Trump's 'Board of Peace' | DW News)
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Donald Trump is due to preside over a ceremony on Thursday celebrating his proposal for a so called Board of Peace.

星期四，唐納·川普將主持一場慶祝他所謂「和平委員會」提案的儀式。

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Now, this was originally part of his Gaza peace plan, meant to oversee the ceasefire and reconstruction in the Palestinian territory.

這原本是他加薩和平計畫的一部分，旨在監督巴勒斯坦領土的停火和重建。

He's now expanding the board's mission to broker solutions to global conflicts.

他現在正擴大該委員會的任務，以協調解決全球衝突。

And he's invited dozens of nations and leaders to pay billions to join us.

他邀請了數十個國家和領導人，要他們出資數十億加入我們。

President Donald Trump has long distrusted international institutions.

總統唐納·川普長期以來一直不信任國際機構。

We just created the Board of Peace, which I think is going to be amazing.

我們剛成立了和平委員會，我認為這將會很棒。

I wish we didn't need a Board of Peace, but

我希望我們不需要和平委員會，但

the United nations and you know, with all the wars I settled, the United nations never helped me on one war.

聯合國，你知道的，在我解決的所有戰爭中，聯合國從未幫助過我。

The Board of Peace was originally supposed to be part of phase two of Trump's Gaza peace plan.

和平委員會原本是川普加薩和平計畫第二階段的一部分。

Along with an executive board and a team of Palestinian technologists.

還有一個執行委員會和一群巴勒斯坦技術專家。

Technocrats, the board would oversee difficult aspects of the peace plan, like disarming Hamas and beginning reconstruction in Gaza.

技術官僚，這個委員會將負責監督和平計畫的艱難部分，像是解除哈瑪斯武裝和開始加薩的重建。

But now it's become a work in progress with an expanding mission.

但現在它變成了一個進行中的工作，任務也越來越廣泛。

It seems that Trump himself is the only one who really knows what's happening.

似乎只有川普自己真正知道發生了什麼事。

As the invitations go out, he is the lifetime chairman of the board.

隨著邀請函發出，他將擔任委員會的終身主席。

Even the White House webpage on the board still refers to the reconstruction of Gaza.

就連白宮關於該委員會的網頁，仍然提到加薩的重建。

But the US has sent out a draft proposal to world leaders, saying it will embark on a bold new approach to resolving global conflict.

但美國已向世界領導人發出一份草案，表示將採取大膽的新方法來解決全球衝突。

There's a $1 billion fee to become a permanent member.

成為永久會員需要支付十億美元的費用。

The list of who's been invited to join contains an odd mix of world leaders.

受邀加入的成員名單，包含了各種奇特的國際領袖。

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has already accepted.

以色列總理班傑明·納坦雅胡已經接受了。

There's Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, Russia's Vladimir Putin, and

有白俄羅斯總統盧卡申科、俄羅斯總統普丁，還有

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, whose country is fighting a bloody war with R.

烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基，他的國家正與俄羅斯進行一場血腥戰爭。

Several countries have already signaled they won't take part or have said flat out no, including traditional US Allies France, Italy and Norway.

包括美國的傳統盟友法國、義大利和挪威在內的幾個國家，已經表明他們不會參加，或直接說不。

The United nations has failed to stop or even mitigate multiple conflicts in recent years, including Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine and Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza.

聯合國近年來未能阻止或減緩多場衝突，包括俄羅斯全面入侵烏克蘭，以及以色列與哈瑪斯在加薩的戰爭。

Time will tell if Trump's Board of Peace can do better or if it becomes a billionaires club where nations and leaders pay to play.

時間會證明川普的和平委員會能否做得更好，或者它是否會變成一個讓國家和領導人付費才能參與的億萬富翁俱樂部。

We're going to talk about this with DW's Middle east analyst Shani Rosannis, who's here in the studio with me.

我們將與 DW 的中東分析師 Shani Rosannis 談談這個話題，她就在我身邊。

We're going to have a look, first of all at the countries that have been invited to Trump's Board of Peace so far so we can See here on this map in light blue, we're going to see the countries that have been invited by Trump to join the Board of Peace.

我們先來看看川普的和平委員會到目前為止邀請了哪些國家，所以我們在這裡的地圖上可以看到淺藍色的部分，這些是川普邀請加入和平委員會的國家。

In dark blue, we're seeing the 23 countries that are, that have already accepted the invitation.

深藍色的部分，我們看到的是已經接受邀請的 23 個國家。

So, Shani, let's talk about first of all, the reason for this.

那麼，Shani，我們先來談談這樣做的原因。

Why is Trump setting up this Board of Peace?

川普為什麼要成立這個和平委員會？

It started as an initiative to rebuild Gaza and it was there.

這最初是為了重建加薩而發起的倡議。

The idea was because of the mass devastation and the mass amounts of money needed to rebuild Gaza that would need a very strong commitment and involvement from high level leaders in the world.

當時的想法是因為加薩遭受了大規模的破壞，需要大量的資金來重建，這需要世界各國高層領導人非常堅定的承諾和參與。

And I think Trump fell in love with the idea.

And you know, he sees himself as a president of pe also is very happy to weaken some of the international bodies he already, that are already existing.

而且你知道，他認為自己是和平的總統，他也很高興能削弱一些已經存在的國際機構。

You know, Trump and the US has withdrawn from more than 66 international bodies that are regulated by the UN and not only.

你知道，川普和美國已經退出了超過 66 個由聯合國管理的國際機構，而且不只如此。

So for him, it became, you know, an all encompassing idea of how he restructures the world in his vision.

所以對他來說，這變成了一個他按照自己的願景重塑世界的全方位想法。

And he is the almighty leader of this board.

而且他是這個委員會的全權領導人。

Even after his presidency is, is, is done.

And so it's not, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a surprise that when we look at the participants of those who have agreed to come on, we see a lot of his allies like Lukashenko, like Orban, like, you know, Meli in Argentina.

所以，當我們看看那些同意參與的人，會發現很多都是他的盟友，像是盧卡申科、奧班，還有阿根廷的梅利。

But then on the other hand, when you look at those who are either, you know, fall out, refusing or sitting out, you see, and

但另一方面，當你看到那些已經鬧翻、拒絕或袖手旁觀的人，

their hesitance, of course, you see a lot of the known power dynamics we're seeing happening in the world, mostly European countries who are very hesitant because this is weakening the UN de facto.

你會看到他們猶豫不決，當然，這也反映了我們在世界上看到的權力動態，尤其是歐洲國家，他們非常猶豫，因為這實際上是在削弱聯合國。

Because, for example, you know, if countries bring 1 million to the table for Trump, where will they bring the money for the UN institutions, for example?

因為，舉例來說，如果各國願意為川普貢獻一百萬，那他們會為聯合國機構貢獻多少錢呢？

And the UN has a very clear regulation, they have very clear, you know, laws and bodies that have, say for many different countries, first and foremost China and Russia, that have their veto in the Security Council, which they won't be having here.

而聯合國有非常明確的規定，有非常明確的法律和機構，對許多不同的國家，尤其是中國和俄羅斯，他們在安全理事會有否決權，但在這裡他們就沒有了。

Why would they join, even though we know they have been invited.

為什麼他們會加入呢，即使我們知道他們已經被邀請了。

So, of course, Trump, I think is very good, you know, and he's not just in rhetorics.

所以，川普我覺得很棒，你知道，他不僅僅是說說而已。

He's also very perceptive in recognizing the weaknesses in the international existing organizations.

他也很敏銳地看到了現有國際組織的弱點。

But he is not too good in trying to fine tune the solutions either as a reform of the existing bodies or in the restructure of new bodies that will be still democratic and open and, you know, constructive in Their in their work.

但他也不太擅長微調解決方案，無論是改革現有機構，還是重組新的機構，這些新機構仍然需要民主、開放，並且在他們的工作中具有建設性。

Let's talk about the structure of this board.

我們來談談這個委員會的結構。

Tell us how it would actually work on a practical level.

告訴我們它在實際層面是如何運作的。

So what we're seeing is that Trump is taking a model that is very much similar to business model that we would see.

所以我們看到的是，川普正在採用一個非常類似於我們在商業中看到的商業模式。

You know, this is a board not by accident.

你知道，這個委員會並非偶然。

So these are basically the key stakeholders in the game.

所以這些基本上是遊戲中的關鍵利益相關者。

They are the ones also footing the bill, they are giving the money.

他們也是出錢的人，他們在給錢。

And under that, underneath that we will have the executive level of, of Trump's board which is Marco Rubio, Kushner and Witkoff.

在這之下，我們會看到川普委員會的執行層級，包括 Marco Rubio、Kushner 和 Witkoff。

There are his closest aides and also heads of.

這些是他的親近助手，也是...的負責人。

And underneath that there's going to be the executive board for Gaza.

在這之下，將會有加薩的執行委員會。

He is a Bulgarian, a very well known diplomat that is also very well established in the region in the Middle east, working for many years already from the United Arab Emirates.

他是保加利亞人，一位非常知名的外交官，在中東地區也很有聲望，已經在中東地區工作了很多年，來自阿拉伯聯合大公國。

He is the one in charge of the Technocrat Committee who is basically a gathering of 20 Palestinians who were vetted and approved by Israel to be running Gaza in the day after.

他是技術官僚委員會的負責人，這個委員會基本上聚集了 20 位巴勒斯坦人，他們已經過以色列的審查和準許，將在加薩的未來負責管理事務。

And they would also be relying heavily on the International Stabilization Force, basically armed troops from international, different, you know, from different countries in the world.

他們也將嚴重依賴國際穩定部隊，基本上是來自國際、不同、你知道的、來自世界不同國家的武裝部隊。

They would need to be taking over the security and demilitarization of Gaza and Hamas in order for the technocrats committee to actually be successful in rebuilding Gaza.

為了讓技術官僚委員會能夠成功重建加薩，他們需要接管加薩和哈瑪斯的安保及解除武裝。

But what we've been seeing, that this very, you know, complex tower is actually being built from the first floor down instead of securing the basis.

但我們看到的是，這個非常、你知道的、複雜的結構，實際上是從第一層開始往下蓋，而不是先確保基礎。

Because now on the ground in Gaza there's still very, very little know about the International Stabilization Force, who is going to join it?

因為現在在加薩當地，對於國際穩定部隊，以及誰將加入，仍然知之甚少。

Will it even, you know, Israel is completely against it.

It's not showing any signs of willing to withdraw and Israel is still attacking in Gaza.

以色列並沒有表現出任何撤兵的跡象，而且還在加薩進行攻擊。

The situation on the ground for Palestinians has changed very little despite the very big ceremonies and the big names we're seeing here.

儘管有盛大的儀式和我們在這裡看到的大人物，巴勒斯坦人在當地的情況幾乎沒有改變。

Lets explore this with Heber Ali, who is a journalist and director of the UN Charter Reform Coalition.

我們來聽聽聯合國憲章改革聯盟的記者兼總監 Heber Ali 的看法。

It's a group calling for change in the United Nations.

這是一個呼籲聯合國改革的團體。

This sounds like Donald Trump's attempt to either replace or circumvent the UN which has become increasingly ineffective as an organization that's campaigned for change at the UN Is this something you welcome?

這聽起來像是唐納·川普試圖取代或繞過聯合國，而聯合國作為一個倡導改革的組織，其效力日益減弱。這是你樂見的嗎？

No, we certainly do welcome the desire for change at the UN but not in this way.

不，我們當然歡迎聯合國改變的意願，但不是用這種方式。

What Trump is doing is putting a nail in the coffin of the un.

川普的做法是給聯合國棺材釘上最後一根釘子。

And yes, there is justification or there is merit in his justification that the UN has been ineffective.

沒錯，他認為聯合國無效是有理由的，也有其道理。

But if we believe the UN is ineffective, and

by the way, the UN is in part ineffective because of the actions of the United States, then let's fix the un.

而且，順帶一提，聯合國之所以部分無效，部分是因為美國的行動，那麼我們就來修復聯合國吧。

But the answer is not putting responsibility for maintaining peace and security in the hands of one individual who sets up an exclusive club, names himself chairman for life and charges a $1 billion membership fee, as you just heard.

但答案不是把維護和平與安全的責任交給一個人，這個人成立一個排他性俱樂部，自封終身主席，還收取十億美元的會員費，就像你剛才聽到的那樣。

And I do believe that if this board is legitimized by world leaders, it sets a very, very dangerous precedent.

我確實相信，如果這個委員會獲得世界領導人的認可，那將樹立一個非常非常危險的先例。

You say if it's wrong, then let's fix it rather than go round it.

你說如果錯了，那就修復它，而不是繞過它。

But haven't we seen over the UN's lifetime that it is dominated by the Security Council?

但我們難道沒有在聯合國的歷史中看到，它一直被安全理事會主導嗎？

Members of the Security Council are now causing problems all over the world.

安全理事會的成員現在正在全世界製造麻煩。

Well, maybe the answer is to give it some competition.

嗯，也許答案是給它一些競爭。

We've seen this president bully NATO's 30 odd members into increasing their military spending.

我們看過這位總統強迫北約的三十幾個成員增加軍事開支。

Why wouldn't he be able to bully members of this board, or indeed the UN into seeing the world a differently and being a little more effective?

他為什麼不能強迫這個委員會的成員，或者甚至聯合國，看到不同的世界並更有效率呢？

Well, again, I would say that the reason the UN isn't effective is because of certain members of its Security Council, and

嗯，我會再說一次，聯合國之所以無效，是因為其安全理事會的某些成員，

And so setting up an alternative body doesn't fix that problem.

所以成立一個替代機構並不能解決這個問題。

I think there are certainly challenges in trying to reform the un, but

我認為改革聯合國確實面臨一些挑戰，但是

And if we are to give President Trump credit, it is that the current situation has pushed in particular European leaders so far against the wall that they are now ready to be more ambitious and more courageous in trying to reform a system that we all know has not been fit for purpose for some time.

如果我們要給川普總統一點肯定，那就是目前的狀況已經把歐洲領導人逼到了牆角，讓他們現在願意更積極、更勇敢地試圖改革一個我們都知道已經不符用途的體系一段時間了。