Name: 女王讚揚約翰·亨特父女！勇敢分享性侵故事 | BBC News (Queen praises John Hunt and daughter, saying bravery prompted her to share assault story | BBC News)
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This year, as part of Radio 4's Today programme guest editor season, we invited Baroness Theresa May, the former Conservative Prime Minister, to influence our New Year's Eve edition.

今年，在 Radio 4 的 Today programme 客座編輯系列中，我們邀請了前保守黨首相 勳爵夫人 Theresa May，來影響我們的除夕節目。

過去簡單式

She wanted to talk about violence against women.

動名詞

Tackling the issue was a central priority for her, first as Home Secretary and then later as Prime Minister.

處理這個問題是她的首要任務，首先是作為內政大臣，然後是作為首相。

She was joined by John and Amy Hunt, whose family were killed by Kyle Clifford.

她與 John 和 Amy Hunt 一同出席，他們的家人被 Kyle Clifford 殺害。

Her Majesty the Queen wanted to meet with the Hunts and Baroness May to discuss domestic violence, a subject she has felt strongly about for many years.

女王陛下想與 Hunt 一家和 勳爵夫人 May 會面，討論家庭暴力，這是她多年來一直非常關注的議題。

What you're about to see is an extended edit of that discussion.

接下來您將看到的是這次討論的加長版編輯。

We're here together today to try and raise awareness of domestic violence and violence against women and girls, especially in the run up to Christmas time and New Year, when we know charities and helplines receive a 15% or so rise in calls on the issue.

我們今天在這裡齊聚一堂，試圖提高對家庭暴力以及針對女性和女孩的暴力的意識，尤其是在聖誕節和新年即將來臨之際，我們知道慈善機構和求助熱線在這方面的來電會增加約 15%。

We've brought you, John and Amy, together with Her Majesty, in light of what happened to your family and your desire to help protect more women and change some men's behaviour, and

我們邀請了 John 和 Amy，以及女王陛下，鑑於發生在您家人身上的事，以及您希望幫助保護更多女性並改變一些男性的行為，

an issue that is very close to our guest editor's heart and working life.

以及這是我們客座編輯非常關心且與其工作息息相關的議題。

Baroness May, I also know that your Majesty and his Majesty the King wrote to you after what happened after the murders of your wife, wife and two daughters, and

勳爵夫人 May，我也知道，在您的妻子、妻子和兩個女兒被謀殺後，陛下和國王寫信給您，

So I just want to say to all of you, thank you so much for being here and to you, John and Amy, in particular.

所以我想對大家說，非常感謝你們的到來，特別是你們，John 和 Amy。

John and Amy, if I could come to you first, Perhaps you, John, and

John 和 Amy，我先請教你們，也許你，John，

just start by saying it must be something to be here with Her Majesty and to be in this situation overall.

首先我想說，能和陛下一起在這裡，並處於這樣的整體情況，一定感觸良多。

Amy and I have traveled such a long way since the 9th of July, 2024, the day the girls were murdered.

自從 2024 年 7 月 9 日，也就是女孩們被謀殺的那天起，Amy 和我已經走了很長一段路。

And one thing we've realized is that there is a growing capacity to find energy and to find purpose, which on the 10th of July, we thought had disappeared forever.

我們意識到，我們有越來越大的能力去尋找能量和目標，這在 7 月 10 日那天，我們以為已經永遠消失了。

And, Amy, you know, you would never have imagined you'd be in this position.

Amy，你知道，你從來沒想過自己會處於這個位置。

And I think that's the thing that has become so obvious to us over the last year and a half, is that domestic violence and domestic abuse stretches across classes, ages, you know, locations.

我認為這在過去一年半的時間裡變得非常明顯，那就是家庭暴力和家庭虐待跨越了階級、年齡、地點。

And I think no one anticipates being in this situation, and I think that's the reason why.

而且我想沒有人預料到自己會身處這種情況，這就是原因。

Stopping it, doing what we can to stop this horror that is inflicted on so many women and their families is so important because you just don't know who might face abuse, violence.

阻止它，盡我們所能阻止這種施加在許多女性及其家人身上的恐怖，這非常重要，因為你永遠不知道誰可能會面臨虐待、暴力。

The statistics, when you look through and you see what they are.

當你查看統計數據時，你會看到它們是什麼樣子的。

And I know, your Majesty, you've been working on this for years now.

我知道，陛下，您為此已經努力多年了。

One woman is killed in the UK every three days, as is the estimate.

據估計，英國每三天就有一名女性被殺害。

And I know that the Hunt's case touched you deeply.

我知道杭特家的案子深深觸動了您。

Well, first of all, I'd like to say thank you to John and Amy for coming here today in these very difficult circumstances and how important it is for them to talk about it, which I know they do all the time, not only for all the other people who it has happened to and who it will happen to, but

嗯，首先，我想感謝約翰和艾咪在如此艱難的環境下今天來到這裡，他們談論這件事有多重要，我知道他們一直都在談論，不僅是為了所有遭遇過這件事以及未來可能遭遇這件事的其他人，

for themselves, because I think it's a cathartic moment for them.

也為了他們自己，因為我認為這對他們來說是一個宣洩的時刻。

The more they can talk about it, the more you can try and get rid of these terrible demons and terrible memory of what happened to you.

他們越能談論這件事，你們就越能擺脫這些可怕的惡魔和可怕的回憶。

And also talking about it and talking about it, the taboo around this can be huge.

而且，談論這件事，圍繞著它的禁忌可能會非常巨大。

I mean, that's why I think it's so wonderful they can come up and talk to people about it.

我認為他們能站出來和大家談論這件事，這真的很棒。

讓我來介紹我們今天的客座編輯。

Baroness May, you brought in the Domestic Violence act during your time as Prime Minister before that.

勳爵夫人，您在擔任首相之前，推出了家庭暴力法案。

This is an area you've been working on for many, many years.

這是您多年來一直致力投入的領域。

You introduced coercive control as a crime during your long stint as Home Secretary.

您在擔任內政大臣期間，將強迫控制納為犯罪。

Have we made enough progress or are we where we should be?

我們進步夠多了嗎？還是我們還沒達到應有的程度？

I think it's true to say that we have made some progress, but

我認為可以這麼說，我們確實取得了一些進展，但

There are many still who don't quite realise what this can be and how it can be experienced by people.

有很多人仍然不太瞭解這會是什麼樣子，以及人們會如何經歷它。

It's also necessary for us to look at, if you like, the other side of the coin and think about working with perpetrators and how we can, we can only try, ensure this doesn't happen to anybody in the future if there are no perpetrators in the future.

我們也必須看看，如果你願意的話，另一面，想想如何與施暴者合作，以及我們如何、我們只能盡力，確保將來不會再發生這種事，如果將來沒有施暴者。

And so we need to support victims, but we also need to deal with perpetrators.

所以我們需要支持受害者，但我們也需要處理施暴者。

I mean, I think it's very important, John and Amy, to remember what happened here.

我的意思是，我認為這很重要，John 和 Amy，要記住這裡發生了什麼。

You know, Kyle Clifford was jailed, given three whole life sentences, went to prison paralyzed, having shot himself with the same crossbow he used to kill your daughters.

你知道，Kyle Clifford 被判刑，判了三個終身監禁，他進監獄時癱瘓了，他用殺害你女兒們的同一把弩射傷了自己。

His ex, Louise, after raping her and your other daughter, Hannah, he stabbed your wife, Carol, your mum, to death.

他的前女友 Louise，在你和你的另一個女兒 Hannah 被強暴後，他殺死了你的妻子 Carol，你的媽媽。

More than a year on having got through that trial.

It remains really difficult on a minute by minute basis, but

每一分鐘都還是非常難熬，但是

you have to try and find the strength in our position to arm yourself with as many tools as possible that are going to help you get through that next hour, get through that next day.

你們必須試著從你們的處境中找到力量，盡可能武裝自己，用上所有能幫助你們度過下一個小時、下一個天的工具。

At the risk of embarrassing Amy she's been my best counsel from the word go.

冒著讓 Amy 難為情的風險說，她從一開始就是我最好的顧問。

I used to say I couldn't do it without you, but

我以前說沒有妳我做不到，但是

And you do gain wisdom and confidence that, all right, it's not the future you wanted, but

你們確實獲得了智慧和信心，知道，好吧，這不是你們想要的未來，但是

there is a small fragment of future that exists still for you.

還有一個小小的未來片段仍然存在著。

I think there's a huge part of us that's still in disbelief, in shock, and

我覺得我們很大一部分還處於難以置信、震驚的狀態，

I think perhaps we'll be in that state for the rest of our lives, given the magnitude of our loss.

我想也許我們一生都會處於那種狀態，考量到我們失去的有多重大。

We miss them every single minute of the day.

One of the things that has provided such strength to us and to everyone who loved Louise and Hannah and my mum and still loves them is their example.

讓我和所有愛過 Louise、Hannah 和我媽媽，並且至今仍愛著她們的人們獲得力量的其中一件事，就是她們的榜樣。

And the love that they gave everyone, the care, the joy, the positivity, the humour that they gave to the world, I think we're all using that to sustain ourselves.

以及她們給予每個人的愛、關懷、喜悅、正面態度和幽默感，我想我們都正在運用這些來支撐自己。

When people pass away, the love still stays.

Spotting signs and behavior before things happen is one thing, but

預先察覺到事情發生前的跡象和行為是一回事，但是

we also know a lot of women die or are severely hurt by those who have loved them.

我們也知道，有許多女性遭到曾經愛過她們的人所殺害或嚴重傷害。

Louise and Carl were together for 18 months.

Louise 和 Carl 在一起了 18 個月。

That first year in particular was exactly as you would wish any relationship involving your child to go.

尤其是第一年，完全就像妳希望任何與妳孩子有關的關係一樣發展。

Now his behavior in small ways deteriorated, but only towards the end of the relationship.

現在，他的行為在小地方開始惡化，但僅限於關係的後期。

They'd broken up, you know, and she had a right to do that.

他們已經分手了，你知道的，她有權這麼做。

And we also know, your majesty, that that can be the most dangerous time.

我們也知道，陛下，那可能是最危險的時期。

A friend of mine asked me to a meeting of a charity called Safe Lives.

我的一位朋友邀請我參加一個名為 Safe Lives 的慈善機構的會議。

The relations and the partners and the friends of women who had been killed or attacked or very badly wounded.

那些被殺害、攻擊或嚴重受傷的女性的親屬、伴侶和朋友。

他們站起來講述了他們的故事。

And I remember being just so shocked, horrified by the whole thing and all the people sitting around the table.

我還記得當時我對整件事以及坐在桌邊的所有人都感到非常震驚和恐懼。

There were a lot of people who you wouldn't have thought would be moved by this sort of thing.

有很多人，你可能不會想到他們會被這種事感動。

Realize that it's happening all the time.

In the case of Joanna, it was divorce and he came back and he murdered her.

以 Joanna 為例，她離婚後，他回來殺了她。

In the case of what happened with Joanna Simpson, she was bludgeoned to death by her ex.

以 Joanna Simpson 的事件為例，她被前任殘忍打死。

Came back to the home while their children were hiding in another room.

在孩子們躲在另一個房間時，他回到了家裡。

The more I dug into it and scratched the surface.

我越深入挖掘，越是觸及表面。

我發現了越多令人髮指的故事。

正如你所說，這可能發生在任何人身上。

我們可以繼續談論這件事，但是

we've got to get to the root of the matter is the perpetrators, especially when they're young.

我們必須要處理根本問題，就是施暴者，尤其是年輕的施暴者。

If you can get them early enough and teach them respect for women.

如果你夠早接觸到他們，教導他們尊重女性。

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