Name: 麥可夏儂《紐倫堡》上映！超讚提醒：納粹就是壞人！ (Michael Shannon's "Nuremberg" Is A Nice Reminder That Nazis Are The Bad Guys)
Uploaded: 2025-12-04T17:02:23.000Z
Duration: 8 min 5 s

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My first guest tonight is an actor, you know, from films like Revolutionary Road, man of Steel, and

我今晚的第一位嘉賓是一位演員，大家知道的，演過《革命之路》、《超人：鋼鐵英雄》等電影，

He now stars in the new movie Nuremberg and the new miniseries Death by Lightning.

他現在主演新電影《紐倫堡》和新迷你影集《閃電之死》。

Please welcome back to the Late Show Michael Shannon.

歡迎麥可·夏儂再次來到晚間秀。

It seems like a good time to be Michael Shannon.

感覺現在是麥可·夏儂的好時機。

You got the new film, you got the new limited series.

你有新電影，還有新的限定影集。

You're fronting an RM cover band that is.

你還在帶領一個 R.E.M. 致敬樂團。

That is the hottest ticket in town, whatever town it happens to be in right now.

不管現在在哪個城市，那都是城裡最搶手的票。

And I want to show and tell the people a little bit about it.

It's called Michael Shannon and Jason Narducci and Friends Play the music of R.E.M.

叫做「麥可·夏儂、傑森·納杜奇與朋友們演奏 R.E.M. 的音樂」。

You told me that you guys were doing shows where you did full albums like, you know, Dylan's Highway 61 rev.

你告訴我你們有做那種表演，會完整演出像，你知道的，狄倫的《Highway 61 Revisited》。

And now you're selling out this tour of REM and another tour planned for 26.

現在你們的 R.E.M. 巡迴演唱會場場爆滿，還有另一個計畫在 26 號。

還有這個，傑森·納杜奇先生。

Well, I have a artist named Robbie folks to thank for this.

嗯，我得感謝一位名叫羅比·佛克斯的藝術家。

He's a singer, songwriter, and he was in Chicago.

他是位唱作人，當時人在芝加哥。

He had a residency where he would play a different album once a month, and

他有個定期演出，每個月會表演一張不同的專輯，然後

he asked Jason and myself to participate.

And then, yeah, every once in a while, me and Jason call each other up and say, well, how about this album?

然後，對，偶爾我們倆會打電話給對方說，嗯，這張專輯怎麼樣？

你對它變成現在這樣感到驚訝嗎？

Was this ever part of the plan, rock star?

搖滾巨星，這曾是你計畫的一部分嗎？

We would pick an album and we'd do it once.

我們會選一張專輯，然後就只做一次。

I refer to it like a Japanese sand painting just blows away, you know?

我覺得就像日本沙畫一樣，一吹就散了，你知道嗎？

And people started calling up and saying, well, come do it here.

然後大家就開始打電話來說，好吧，來這裡做一場。

And Jason said, well, you want to do a tour?

傑森就說，好吧，你們想辦個巡迴演出嗎？

And he said, well, I've always wondered, you know, I've heard so much about life on the road, you know.

他說，嗯，我一直很好奇，你知道，我聽說了好多關於巡迴演出生活的事，你知道。

So you're starring in the new film Nuremberg.

所以你主演了新電影《紐倫堡》。

Now, for people who may remember that name, from history class or have some sense.

現在，對於那些可能還記得這個名字的人，從歷史課或有些印象的。

We know about the Nuremberg rallies, but it's the judgment at Nuremberg.

我們知道紐倫堡集會，但這是紐倫堡的審判。

This is about explain to the people what exactly happened in these trials and who you play in the film.

這部片是要向大家解釋這些審判到底發生了什麼事，以及你在片中飾演的角色。

Well, I play Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson.

嗯，我飾演最高法院大法官羅伯特·傑克森。

A lot of the top brass in America thought if you caught a Nazi, Nancy, if you caught a Nazi, if you caught a Nazi, you should just, you know, execute him.

美國許多高層認為，如果你抓到一個納粹，南西，如果你抓到一個納粹，如果你抓到一個納粹，你就應該直接處決他。

But Jackson believed that they needed to be put on trial and that the whole world needed to see them trying to justify or explain what they did, which of course is impossible.

但傑克森認為，他們需要受到審判，而且全世界都需要看到他們試圖辯解或解釋他們所做的事情，這當然是不可能的。

But nonetheless, he figured that's how justice works.

但儘管如此，他認為這就是司法運作的方式。

And he was able to accomplish this, established this tribunal as the first of its kind.

他成功地做到了這件事，建立了這個史無前例的法庭。

He set a lot of precedents in terms of the charges that he leveled against the Nazis.

他對納粹提出的指控，設立了許多先例。

I think it was the first time that that phrase had ever been used.

It was the first time that film had been used as evidence in courtroom.

這是第一次將電影作為法庭上的證據。

We have a clip here in the courtroom scene.

我們這裡有一段法庭場景的片段。

Let's take a look at this and then tell me what you remember about doing the scene.

我們來看看這個，然後你再告訴我你對演這場戲有什麼印象。

For the record, is there any doubt in your mind that Adolf Hitler is dead?

為了記錄，你心中有任何懷疑阿道夫·希特勒已經死了嗎？

So you are aware that this makes you the only living man who can expound to us the true purposes of the Nazi party and the inner workings of its leadership?

所以你意識到這讓你成為唯一一個能向我們闡述納粹黨真正目的及其領導層內部運作的活著的人？

Your party, from the very beginning, intended to overthrow the Weimar Republic.

你的黨從一開始就打算推翻威瑪共和國。

And upon coming to power, you immediately abolished parliamentary government in Germany.

掌權後，你們立刻廢除了德國的議會政府。

Is that because you believe people are not capable of self government?

這是因為你認為人們無法自我治理嗎？

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