Name: 賈維斯："主要媒體未能完成告知和保護公眾的任務" | DW News (Jarvis: 'Major media failing at their task to inform and protect the public' | DW News)
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A few days ago, I called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are.

幾天前，我稱假新聞為人民公敵，他們的確是。

When you report fake news, which CNN does a lot, you are the enemy of the people.

當你報道假新聞時，你就是人民的敵人，而 CNN 卻經常這樣做。

They just make them up when there are none.

The fake media is trying to silence us, but we will not let them.

虛假媒體試圖讓我們保持沉默，但我們不會讓他們得逞。

The left-wing media doesn't want to solve problems.

That was President Donald Trump during his first stint in the White House.

這就是唐納德-特朗普總統首次入主白宮時的情景。

Back then, it seemed that hardly a day went by without the president lashing out at what he called the fake news media.

那時，總統似乎幾乎沒有一天不抨擊他所謂的假新聞媒體。

That kind of loud vitriol has been toned down during Trump 2.0, but journalists and media observers are now ringing the alarm over different kinds of attack on the press.

在特朗普 2.0 時代，這種大肆謾罵已經有所收斂，但記者和媒體觀察家們現在對不同類型的新聞攻擊敲響了警鐘。

Besides defunding public media outlets like PBS and NPR, the president has filed a flurry of lawsuits in response to unflattering reporting that he calls fake news.

除了向公共廣播公司（PBS）和全國公共廣播電臺（NPR）等公共媒體機構提供資金外，總統還針對被他稱為假新聞的不實報道提起了一系列訴訟。

He filed the first of them in 2024 while he was running for re-election.

他在 2024 年競選連任時提交了第一份申請。

He sued ABC, claiming its anchor had defamed him when he said a jury found Trump had raped E.

他起訴美國廣播公司，聲稱該臺主播在說陪審團認定特朗普強姦了 E 時誹謗了他。

In reality, he had been found liable for sexual abuse.

實際上，他已被認定犯有性虐待罪。

ABC's parent company, Disney, settled with Trump and agreed to pay $15 million towards his future presidential library.

美國廣播公司的母公司迪斯尼與特朗普達成和解，同意為其未來的總統圖書館支付 1500 萬美元。

Later that year, Trump filed another lawsuit, this time against CBS News, over the editing of a 16-minute interview with Kamala Harris.

同年晚些時候，特朗普再次提起訴訟，這次是針對哥倫比亞廣播公司新聞頻道（CBS News）剪輯卡馬拉-哈里斯（Kamala Harris）16 分鐘訪談一事。

Paramount, CBS' parent company, settled just weeks ago, saying it would pay $16 million to the library.

哥倫比亞廣播公司的母公司派拉蒙公司幾周前剛剛達成和解，表示將向圖書館支付 1600 萬美元。

Trump escalated his legal campaign against the media this week with a $10 billion lawsuit against The Wall Street Journal and its owner, media mogul Rupert Murdoch.

本週，特朗普針對《華爾街日報》及其所有者、媒體大亨魯珀特-默多克（Rupert Murdoch）提起了價值 100 億美元的訴訟，從而將其針對媒體的法律活動升級。

The paper had published a story about Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

該報刊登了一篇關於特朗普與傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦關係的報道。

On Truth Social, the president posted, His words, not mine, I insist.

總統在 "真理社交網站 "上發佈："我堅持認為，是他說的，不是我說的。

He went on, And to figure out where this is going, I'm joined now by Jeff Jarvis.

他接著說："為了弄清事情的走向，傑夫-賈維斯（Jeff Jarvis）現在和我一起討論。

He's a journalist, writer, and media commentator.

他是一名記者、作家和媒體評論員。

He's also the author of the book, The Gutenberg Parenthesis, The Age of Print and its Lessons for the Age of the Internet.

他還著有《古騰堡括號：印刷時代及其對互聯網時代的啟示》一書。

Now, what is President Trump trying to achieve with these lawsuits on media outlets?

現在，特朗普總統想通過這些針對媒體的訴訟達到什麼目的呢？

I think first off, it's distraction from the Epstein story.

我認為首先，這是在分散愛潑斯坦事件的注意力。

Oddly, he's only drawing more attention to it, but that's the way he operates.

奇怪的是，他只會引起更多關注，但這就是他的行事風格。

Toddlers, when they get angry, stomp their feet and throw their toys around.

幼兒生氣時會跺腳，把玩具扔來扔去。

Donald Trump threatens to, and often does, file suit.

唐納德-特朗普威脅要提起訴訟，而且經常這樣做。

You'd have to look at media to see how well it's working, how much do they pay attention to that.

你得看看媒體的效果如何，他們對此有多關注。

The fascinating thing here, of course, is that Rupert Murdoch, who I think is the most malign influence in English-speaking democracies around the world, is the corporate entity that made Donald Trump, along with NBC and his entertainment guys.

當然，這裡最吸引人的是魯珀特-默多克（Rupert Murdoch），我認為他是全世界英語民主國家中最具惡性影響力的人，他是造就唐納德-特朗普的企業實體，還有美國全國廣播公司（NBC）和他的娛樂界人士。

And so I think it's surprising in a sense that he would go after Murdoch, but in a sense, he doesn't need Murdoch anymore.

是以我認為，從某種意義上說，他追逐默多克是令人驚訝的，但從某種意義上說，他不再需要默多克了。

He's making lots of money in crypto whatsoever.

他在加密貨幣領域賺了很多錢。

So he takes out his anger, whoever is in his face at the moment.

於是，他把怒火發洩到了此刻在他面前的人身上。

I want to look at the Murdoch case in a second, but let's first look at the ones that have been settled, the ones with Paramount and Disney, because frankly, Trump's cases were never the strongest, but the companies are seemingly just bending the knee.

我想稍後再看看默多克的案子，但我們先看看那些已經和解的案子，與派拉蒙和迪斯尼的案子，因為坦率地說，特朗普的案子從來都不是最有力的，但這些公司似乎只是屈膝而已。

Why are they settling and not fighting when the chances to win are not that slim?

既然獲勝的機會並不那麼渺茫，他們為什麼要和解而不戰鬥呢？

This is the essence of fascism in America.

這就是美國法西斯主義的本質。

And so you have major law firms, major universities, Harvard and Columbia, major entertainment empires, Paramount and Disney, indeed bending at the knee and only getting kneecapped.

於是，各大律師事務所、哈佛大學和哥倫比亞大學、派拉蒙和迪斯尼等大型娛樂帝國紛紛屈膝，卻只能被跪。

They cancel Stephen Colbert, which is a magnificent show.

他們取消了斯蒂芬-科爾伯特（Stephen Colbert）的節目，那是一檔非常棒的節目。

They do everything they can to make up to him.

Heck, once again, I got to bring up Rupert Murdoch.

哎呀，我又得提起魯伯特-默多克了。

魯珀特-默多克造就了唐納德-特朗普。

He has an entire network devoted to slathering all over him, and that doesn't protect you either.

他的整個網絡都在為他塗脂抹粉，這也保護不了你。

Do you expect Rupert Murdoch then to settle as well?

你希望魯珀特-默多克也能和解嗎？

Of course, Rupert Murdoch had to settle in the case of the slander of voting machines and the companies that make them.

當然，魯珀特-默多克不得不在誹謗投票機和投票機制造公司的案件中和解。

In this case, no, he's got an excellent case.

在這種情況下，不，他有一個很好的理由。

Donald Trump is certainly a public figure.

唐納德-特朗普當然是公眾人物。

This will get thrown out of court eventually.

And I still have a little bit of hope that that'll be the case, though God knows when this gets to a Supreme Court, in this case, when our court has been taken over by the right wing, I can't have 100% confidence this will go nowhere.

我仍然抱有一絲希望，儘管天知道當事情鬧到最高法院時，在這種情況下，當我們的法院被右翼接管時，我不能百分之百地相信這件事會不了了之。

But I think that Murdoch's lawyers, who were very good, will fight this and win in the lower courts handily and quickly.

但我認為，默多克的律師非常出色，他們將與此案抗爭，並在下級法院迅速取得勝利。

You mentioned Stephen Colbert there, a producer at 60 Minutes who was at the core of the suit against Paramount shortly after or around the time of the election, stepped down saying that he could not be the journalist he wanted to be anymore.

你剛才提到斯蒂芬-科爾伯特（Stephen Colbert），他是《60 分鐘》的製片人，在大選後不久或大選前後，他成為了派拉蒙公司訴訟案的核心人物。

Are we watching news organizations being intimidated already into pulling their punches in their reporting on the president, you think?

我們看到新聞機構已經受到恐嚇，不得不在對總統的報道中收斂鋒芒，你認為呢？

Indeed, we are, and not just in direct ways, also in many subtle ways.

的確如此，我們不僅以直接的方式，還以許多微妙的方式。

Now day after day after day, I use the hashtag Broken Times to look at the kind of coverage that they do, trying to normalize what is happening in this country right now.

現在，我日復一日地使用 "破碎的時代 "這一標籤來審視他們所做的報道，試圖將這個國家目前發生的事情正常化。

The Washington Post is even farther down the slope, and one by one, the last talent at the Post is leaving under the Murdochian managers who are there now.

華盛頓郵報》更是一落千丈，在默多克的管理下，郵報的最後一批人才一個接一個地離開。

Public radio, which has just had the money pulled off from underneath them, has gone more cautious.

公共廣播電臺的資金剛剛被抽走，是以更加謹慎。

Major mass media in this country is not serving the purpose of the public.

這個國家的主要大眾媒體沒有為公眾服務。

That happens at the same time that mass media is fundamentally, in my view, dead.

在我看來，與此同時，大眾傳媒從根本上已經死亡。

That era is over, and we're going to see, after a period of much chaos probably, a replacement coming in other voices and other ways.

那個時代已經過去，我們將看到，在經歷一段混亂期之後，可能會有其他的聲音和其他的方式來取代它。

But for now, what we have is major media failing at their task to inform and protect the public.

但就目前而言，我們所看到的是主要媒體未能履行其告知和保護公眾的任務。

Is that because most of the outlets that you just mentioned have broad corporate interests behind them?

這是不是因為你剛才提到的大多數媒體背後都有廣泛的企業利益？

It's not the case, of course, for public media.

當然，公共媒體的情況並非如此。

So why are we not seeing more resistance?

那麼，為什麼我們沒有看到更多的抵抗呢？

Why are we not seeing the fourth estate, as you're suggesting, living up to its true function?

為什麼我們沒有看到第四媒體如你所建議的那樣發揮其真正的作用？

I think it's a good question, and there's a lot of nuance here.

我認為這是一個很好的問題，這裡有很多細微的差別。

One is that we have this myth of objectivity, especially in American media, which happened when mass media took over, when we used to have 46 daily newspapers in New York alone.

一是我們有這種客觀性的神話，尤其是在美國媒體中，這發生在大眾傳媒接管之後，當時僅在紐約就有 46 家日報。

The plurality of voices that existed in media are long gone, and media thought that they had to serve everyone all the same, and so they became tapioca in their voice.

媒體上曾經存在的多元聲音早已不復存在，媒體認為自己必須為所有人提供相同的服務，於是在聲音上變得自來水化。

At the same time, I think you see something like the New York Times is trying to convince itself that it is not owned by its liberal readers.

與此同時，我認為你會看到類似《紐約時報》試圖說服自己，它並不是由自由派讀者所擁有。

The major support of the New York Times now is not advertising, but is subscription.

紐約時報》現在的主要支撐不是廣告，而是訂閱。

When that happens, the newsroom realizes that the readers are the boss, and they want to kind of prove to the readers that you don't own us, and see, we irritate you every day.

當這種情況發生時，新聞編輯室就會意識到讀者才是老闆，他們想向讀者證明，我們並不屬於你們，看，我們每天都在刺激你們。

So there's pressure from the right against the New York Times, has been there for years calling them fake news, especially Donald Trump, and now there's pressure from the left who are profoundly disappointed in how the New York Times is covering our world.

是以，右派對《紐約時報》施加壓力，多年來一直稱其為假新聞，尤其是唐納德-特朗普，現在左派也施加壓力，他們對《紐約時報》如何報道我們的世界深感失望。

You mentioned that, you know, the media as we know it is dead, and Trump is waging a war against it.

你提到，我們所熟知的媒體已經死了，特朗普正在向媒體開戰。

It does look, right now, as if he's winning.

Could he, in the process of doing this, maybe inadvertently be opening space for something else, something more robust to emerge?

他在這樣做的過程中，會不會無意中為其他更強大的東西的出現打開了空間？

I think Trump has long since won against the media, and he doesn't need us anymore.

我認為特朗普早已戰勝了媒體，他不再需要我們了。