What's your message for them?

你想對他們說什麼？

Well, if I didn't align myself with both of them, you'd never have a deal.

好吧，如果我不和他們倆結盟，你們就永遠也談不成了。

You want me to say, uh, really terrible things about Putin and then say, Hi, Vladimir, how are we doing on the deal?

你想讓我說普京的壞話，然後說："弗拉基米爾，協議談得怎麼樣？

That doesn't work that way.

這樣是行不通的。

I'm not aligned with Putin.

我不支持普京。

I'm not aligned with anybody.

我不與任何人結盟。

I'm aligned with the United States of America and for the good of the world.

我與美利堅合眾國結盟，為世界謀福利。

I'm aligned with the world.

我與世界接軌。

And I want to get this thing over with.

我想快點結束這件事。

You see the hatred he's got for Putin.

你看到他對普京的仇恨了吧。

It's very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate.

對我來說，與這種仇恨做交易是非常艱難的。

He's got tremendous hatred.

他有巨大的仇恨。

And I understand that, but I can tell you the other side isn't exactly in love with, you know, him either.

我理解，但我可以告訴你，對方也並不愛他。

Uh, so it's not a question of alignment.

呃，所以這不是對齊的問題。

I have to, I'm aligned with the world.

我必須這樣做，我要與世界接軌。

I want to get the thing set.

我想把東西放好。

I'm aligned with Europe.

我與歐洲結盟。

I want to see if we can get this thing done.

我想看看我們能不能完成這件事。

You want me to be tough?

你想讓我變得強硬？

I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen.

我可能比你見過的任何人都要堅強。

I'd be so tough.

我會很堅強的

But you're never going to get a deal that way.

但這樣你永遠也做不成交易。

So that's the way it goes.

事情就是這樣。

All right, one more question.

好吧，還有一個問題。

I would respond to this.

我會對此作出迴應。

So look, for four years, the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country.

所以，聽著，四年來，美利堅合眾國有一位總統，他在新聞發佈會上站起來，對弗拉基米爾-普京大放厥詞，然後普京入侵烏克蘭，摧毀了該國的大片領土。

The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy.

通往和平與繁榮的道路或許就是參與外交。

We tried the pathway of Joe Biden of thumping our chest and pretending that the president of the United States' words mattered more than the president of the United States' actions.

我們試過喬-拜登的辦法，即捶胸頓足，假裝美國總統的言辭比美國總統的行動更重要。

What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy.

美國之所以是一個好國家，就在於美國參與外交。

That's what President Trump is doing.

這就是特朗普總統正在做的事情。

Can I ask you?

我能問你嗎？

Sure.

當然。

Yeah?

是嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

Okay.

好的

So he occupied our parts, big parts of Ukraine, part of East and Crimea.

是以，他佔領了我們的部分地區，烏克蘭的大部分地區，東部和克里米亞的部分地區。

So he occupied it on 2014.

於是，他在 2014 年佔據了它。

So during a lot of years, I'm not speaking about just Biden, but those time was Obama, then President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now President Trump, and God bless, now President Trump will stop him.

所以在很多年裡，我說的不僅僅是拜登，而是奧巴馬，然後是奧巴馬總統，然後是特朗普總統，然後是拜登總統，現在是特朗普總統，上帝保佑，現在特朗普總統將阻止他。

But during 2014, nobody stopped him.

但在 2014 年，沒有人阻止他。

He just occupied and took.

他只是佔領和索取。

He killed people.

他殺了人。

You know what the contact line?

你知道聯絡線是什麼嗎？

2015. 2014. 2014 and 2015.

2015.2014.2014 年和 2015 年

So he killed.

所以他殺了人。

I was not here.

我不在這裡。

Yeah, that's exactly right.

沒錯，就是這樣。

Yes, but during 2014 till 2022, you know, the situation was the same.

是的，但在 2014 年至 2022 年期間，情況是一樣的。

People have been dying on the contact line.

有人死在了聯絡線上。

Nobody stopped him.

沒有人阻止他。

You know that we had conversations with him, a lot of conversation, bilateral conversation, and we signed with him, me, like a new president in 2019.

你知道，我們與他進行了對話，很多對話，雙邊對話，我們與他簽署了協議，我，就像 2019 年的新總統。

I signed with him the deal.

我和他簽了協議。

I signed with him, Macron and Merkel, we signed a ceasefire.

我與他、馬克龍和默克爾簽署了停火協議。

Ceasefire.

停火。

All of them told me that he will never go.

他們都告訴我，他永遠不會走。

We signed him a gas contract.

我們和他簽了一份天然氣合同。

Gas contract.

天然氣合同。

Yes, but after that, he broke the ceasefire.

是的，但在那之後，他破壞了停火協議。

He killed our people and he didn't exchange prisons.

他殺了我們的人，卻沒有交換監獄。

We signed the exchange of prisons, but he didn't do it.

我們簽署了監獄交換協議，但他沒有這麼做。

What kind of diplomacy, J.D., you are speaking about?

J.D. 你說的是哪種外交？

What do you mean?

什麼意思？

I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country.

我說的是那種能結束你們國家毀滅的外交。

Yes, but Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media.

是的，但是總統先生，恕我直言，我認為您走進橢圓形辦公室，試圖在美國媒體面前提起訴訟，這是對總統先生的不尊重。

Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems.

現在，你們四處奔走，強迫新兵上前線，因為你們有人力問題。

You should be thanking the president for trying to bring it into this conflict.

你應該感謝總統試圖把它帶入這場衝突。

Have you ever been to Ukraine?

你去過烏克蘭嗎？

Did you say what problems we have?

你說過我們有什麼問題嗎？

I have been to...

我去過...

Come once.

來一次

I've actually watched and seen the stories and I know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President.

事實上，我看過這些報道，我知道發生了什麼，總統先生，你帶著人們，帶著他們進行宣傳之旅。

Do you disagree that you've had problems bringing people into your military?

你是否不同意你在吸收人員入伍方面遇到的問題？

Do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?

你認為來到美利堅合眾國的橢圓形辦公室，攻擊試圖阻止國家毀滅的政府，是一種尊重嗎？

A lot of questions.

很多問題

Let's start from the beginning.

讓我們從頭開始。

Sure.

當然。

First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you, but you have a nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future.

首先，在戰爭期間，每個人都會遇到困難，甚至你也不例外，但你有一片美好的海洋，現在你感覺不到，但將來你會感覺到的。

God bless.

上帝保佑

You don't know that.

你不知道。

God bless.

上帝保佑

God bless.

上帝保佑

You will not have a war.

你們不會有戰爭。

Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

不要告訴我們會有什麼感覺。

We're trying to solve a problem.

我們正在努力解決問題。

Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

不要告訴我們會有什麼感覺。

I'm not telling you because you're in no position to dictate that.

我不告訴你，因為你沒有資格說三道四。

You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel.

你沒有資格左右我們的感受。

We're going to feel very good.

我們會感覺非常好。

You will feel influence.

你會感受到影響力。

We're going to feel very good and very strong.

我們會感覺非常好，非常強大。

You will feel influence.

你會感受到影響力。

You're right now not in a very good position.

你現在的處境並不好。

You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position and he happens to be right about it.

你讓自己處於非常糟糕的境地，而他恰好是對的。

You're not in a good position.

你的處境不妙。

You don't have the cards right now.

你現在沒有牌。

With us, you start having cards.

有了我們，您就可以開始擁有卡片。

Right now, you're not playing cards.

現在，你不是在玩牌。

You're playing cards.

你在玩牌

You're gambling with the lives of millions of people.

你在拿數百萬人的生命做賭注。

You're gambling with World War III.

你在拿第三次世界大戰做賭注。

You're gambling with World War III.

你在拿第三次世界大戰做賭注。

And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country.

你的所作所為是對國家、對這個國家的大不敬。

That's back to you.

還給你。

Far more than a lot of people said they should have.

遠遠超過了很多人所說的應有水準。

There's a lot of times.

有很多時候

No, in this entire meeting that you said thank you.

不，在整個會議中，你都說了謝謝。

Even today.

即使在今天也是如此。

You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October.

你在十月份前往賓夕法尼亞州為反對黨助選。

Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country.

對美利堅合眾國和試圖拯救你們國家的總統說幾句感謝的話。

Please.

請。

You think that if you will speak very loudly about the war, you can...

你認為，如果你大聲疾呼戰爭，你就能...

He's not speaking loudly.

他說話聲音不大。

He's not speaking loudly.

他說話聲音不大。

Your country is in big trouble.

你們的國家有大麻煩了

Can I answer?

我能回答嗎？

Wait a minute.

等一下

No, no.

不，不

You've done a lot of talking.

你已經說了很多了。

Your country is in big trouble.

你們的國家有大麻煩了

I know.

我知道

You're not winning.

你贏不了

You're not winning this.

你贏不了的

You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us.

因為我們，你有一個很好的機會出來。

Mr. President, we are staying in our country, staying strong from the very beginning of the war.

總統先生，從戰爭一開始，我們就堅守自己的國家，保持強大。

We've been alone and we are thankful.

我們一直很孤獨，但我們心存感激。

I said thanks in this cabinet.

我在這個櫃子裡說了謝謝。

You haven't been alone.

你並不孤單

We gave you, through this stupid president, 350 billion dollars.

我們通過這位愚蠢的總統給了你們 3500 億美元。

We gave you military equipment and you met a brave, but they had to use our military.

我們給了你們軍事裝備，你們遇到了勇士，但他們不得不使用我們的軍隊。

If you didn't have our military equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks.

如果你們沒有我們的軍事裝備，如果你們沒有我們的軍事裝備，這場戰爭兩週內就會結束。

In three days.

三天後

I heard it from Putin.

我是聽普京說的。

In three days.

三天後

This is something...

這是...

Maybe less.

也許更少。

In two weeks.

兩週後

Of course, yes.

當然，是的。

It's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this.

這樣的生意很難做。

I tell you.

我告訴你

Just say thank you.

說聲謝謝就好。

I said a lot of times thank you to American people.

我曾多次對美國人民表示感謝。

Except that there are disagreements and let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the American media when you're wrong.

除了存在分歧，讓我們去就這些分歧進行訴訟，而不是在你錯了的時候試圖在美國媒體上一爭高下。

We know that you're wrong.

我們知道你錯了。

But you see, I think it's good for the American people to see what's going on.

但你看，我覺得讓美國人民看看發生了什麼是好事。

I understand, sir.

我明白，先生。

I think it's very important.

我認為這非常重要。

That's why I kept this going so long.

這就是為什麼我堅持了這麼久。

You have to be thankful.

你必須心存感激。

You don't have the cards.

你沒有牌。

I'm thankful.

我很感激。

You're buried there.

你被埋在那裡

You have people that die.

有人死了

You're running low on soldiers.

你的阿兵哥不多了

Listen, you're running low on soldiers.

聽著，你們的阿兵哥不多了

It would be a damn good thing.

這將是一件非常好的事情。

Then you tell us, I don't want a ceasefire.

那你告訴我們，我不想停火。

I don't want a ceasefire.

我不想停火。

I want to go and I want this.

我想去，我想要這個。

Look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you, you take it.

聽著，如果你現在能停火，我告訴你，你就接受吧。

So the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed.

這樣子彈就不會再飛，你的人也不會再被殺。

Of course, we want to stop the war.

當然，我們希望停止戰爭。

But you're saying you don't want a ceasefire.

但你說你不想要停火。

But I said to you with guarantees.

但我保證對你說

I want a ceasefire.

我希望停火。

Because you'll get a ceasefire faster than an agreement.

因為停火比達成協議更快。

Ask our people about ceasefire, what they think.

問問我們的人民對停火的看法。

It doesn't matter for you what it means.

對你來說，這意味著什麼並不重要。

That wasn't with me.

那不是我。

That was with a guy named Biden, who was not a smart person.

那是和一個叫拜登的人在一起，他不是個聰明人。

That was with Obama.

那是奧巴馬。

It was your president.

是你們的總統。

Excuse me.

打擾一下

That was with Obama, who gave you sheets and I gave you javelins.

那是奧巴馬，他給你們床單，我給你們標槍。

Yes.

是的。

I gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks.

我給了你標槍，讓你幹掉那些坦克。

Obama gave you sheets.

奧巴馬給了你床單

In fact, the statement is Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins.

事實上，說法是奧巴馬給了床單，特朗普給了標槍。

You got to be more thankful.

你應該更加感恩。

Because let me tell you, you don't have the cards.

因為讓我告訴你，你沒有底牌。

With us, you have the cards.

有了我們，您就有了底牌。

But without us, you don't have any cards.

但沒有我們，你們就沒有任何卡片。

It's going to be a tough deal to make because the attitudes have to change.

這將是一筆艱難的交易，因為人們的態度必須改變。

What are you saying?

你在說什麼？

She's asking what if Russia breaks the ceasefire?

她在問，如果俄羅斯破壞停火協議怎麼辦？

What if they what if anything what if a bomb drops on your head right now?

如果有什麼事發生，如果現在有顆炸彈落在你頭上怎麼辦？

Okay, what if they broke it?

好吧，如果他們弄壞了呢？

I don't know.

我不知道。

They broke it with Biden because Biden they didn't respect him.

他們與拜登斷絕關係，是因為他們不尊重拜登。

They didn't respect Obama.

他們不尊重奧巴馬。

They respect me.

他們尊重我。

Let me tell you Putin went through a hell of a lot with me.

讓我告訴你，普京和我一起經歷了很多。

He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia.

他經歷了一場虛假的獵巫行動，他們利用了他和俄羅斯。

Russia, Russia, Russia.

俄羅斯，俄羅斯，俄羅斯

You ever hear of that deal?

你聽說過這筆交易嗎？

That was a phony.

那是假的。

That was a phony Hunter Biden.

那是亨特-拜登的假話。

Joe Biden scam.

喬-拜登的騙局

Hillary Clinton.

希拉里-克林頓

Shifty Adam Schiff.

狡猾的亞當-希夫

It was a democrat scam.

這是民主黨的騙局。

And he had to go through that and he did go through it.

他不得不經歷這些，他也確實經歷了。

We didn't end up in a war.

我們沒有陷入戰爭。

And he went through it.

他經歷了這一切。

He was accused of all that stuff.

他被指控犯有這些罪行。

He had nothing to do with it.

他與此事無關。

It came out of Hunter Biden's bathroom.

這是從亨特-拜登的浴室裡傳出來的。

It came out of Hunter Biden's bedroom.

這是從亨特-拜登的臥室裡傳出來的。

It was disgusting and then they said, oh, oh the laptop from hell was made by Russia.

這太噁心了，然後他們說，哦，哦，來自地獄的筆記本電腦是俄羅斯製造的。

The 51 agents the whole thing was a scam and he had to put up with that.

51 號特工整個就是個騙局，他不得不忍受。

He was being accused of all that stuff.

他被指控犯有這些罪行。

All I can say is this.

我只能說

He might have broken deals with Obama and Bush and he might have broken them with Biden.

他可能破壞了與奧巴馬和布什的協議，也可能破壞了與拜登的協議。

He did maybe maybe he didn't I don't know what happened, but he didn't break him with me.

我不知道發生了什麼，但他沒有和我分手。

He wants to make a deal.

他想做個交易。

I don't know if you can make a deal.

我不知道你們能否達成協議。

The problem is I've empowered you to be a tough guy And I don't think you'd be a tough guy without the United States and your people are very brave But you're either going to make a deal or we're out and if we're out You'll fight it out I don't think it's going to be pretty but you'll fight it out But you don't have the cards, but once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position But you're not acting at all thankful and that's not a nice thing.

問題是，我已經授權你做一個硬漢，我不認為沒有美國你會成為一個硬漢，而且你的人民非常勇敢，但你要麼達成協議，要麼我們退出，如果我們退出，你就會和我們決鬥，我不認為會很好看，但你會和我們決鬥，但你沒有底牌，但一旦我們簽署協議，你的處境就會好很多，但你一點都不感恩，這不是一件好事。

I'll be honest.

老實說

That's not a nice thing All right.

這可不是件好事 好吧

I think we've seen enough.

我想我們已經看夠了。

What do you think?

你怎麼看？

This is going to be great television, I will say that

這將會是一部精彩的電視作品，我得這麼說