Name: 尼科爾-華萊士談帕姆-邦迪："唐納德-特朗普可能終於得到了他一直在尋找的東西 (Nicolle Wallace on Pam Bondi: ‘Donald Trump may finally have what he has long been looking for’)
Uploaded: 2025-01-17T17:50:18.000Z
Duration: 11 min 54 s

情態副詞

If Pam Bondi's confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee is any indication, Donald Trump may finally have what he has long been looking for, an attorney general he desperately wants.

如果帕姆-邦迪（Pam Bondi）在參議院司法委員會的確認聽證會上有任何跡象表明，唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）可能終於得到了他尋找已久的，他迫切希望得到的司法部長。

基礎被動語態

Repeatedly, the former Florida AG and attorney for Donald Trump was pressed by Democrats on one of the basic pillars of the historic role of the rule of law in our country, DOJ's independence from all politics and everybody else in the executive branch, including a president.

這位前佛羅里達州總檢察長和唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）的律師一再被民主黨人逼問我國法治歷史作用的基本支柱之一，即司法部獨立於包括總統在內的所有政治和行政部門中的所有人。

程度副詞

It's the thing that makes the position of attorney general completely different from every other cabinet post.

這也是總檢察長一職與其他內閣職位完全不同的地方。

Pam Bondi gave the country an indication of exactly what kind of attorney general she will be if she is confirmed very early on when she was confronted with the basic question, the answer to which is indisputable to any one of us living on Earth One.

帕姆-邦迪（Pam Bondi）很早就向全國表明，如果她被任命為總檢察長，她究竟會成為什麼樣的總檢察長，當時她面對的是一個基本問題，這個問題的答案對於我們任何一個生活在地球一號上的人來說都是無可爭議的。

Are you prepared to say today under oath without reservation that Donald Trump lost the presidential contest to Joe Biden in 2020?

你今天是否準備在宣誓後毫無保留地說，唐納德-特朗普在 2020 年的總統競選中輸給了喬-拜登？

Ranking member Durbin, President Biden is the president of the United States.

排名第一的杜賓，拜登總統是美國總統。

He was duly sworn in and he is the president of the United States.

他正式宣誓就職，成為美國總統。

There was a peaceful transition of power.

President Trump left office and was overwhelmingly elected in 2024.

特朗普總統卸任後，在 2024 年以壓倒性優勢當選。

Not true, but not a surprise for for Pam Bondi, who in the days after Trump lost the 2020 election by eight million votes, had this to say.

帕姆-邦迪（Pam Bondi）在特朗普以 800 萬張選票之差輸掉 2020 年大選後的幾天裡曾這樣說過。

We do have evidence of cheating, and I'll talk about that in a minute, but we are still on the ground in Pennsylvania.

我們確實有作弊的證據，我稍後再談，但我們仍在賓夕法尼亞州實地調查。

I'm here right now and we are not going anywhere until they declare that we won Pennsylvania.

我現在就在這裡，在他們宣佈我們贏得賓夕法尼亞州之前，我們哪兒也不去。

帕姆，你剛才說的是假選票嗎？

If they're letting you know, Steve, do you have have you heard stories of ballots that are fake?

如果他們讓你知道，史蒂夫，你有沒有聽說過選票是假的？

如果是，請告訴我們你知道什麼。

Well, we know that ballots have been dumped.

There were ballots that were found early on.

And if you don't want to believe me, don't just ask the last Trump appointed and Senate confirmed Attorney General Bill Barr, who said this to congressional investigators.

如果你不願意相信我，不妨問問上一任由特朗普任命並經參議院確認的司法部長比爾-巴爾（Bill Barr），他曾對國會調查人員說過這樣的話。

I told him that the stuff that his people were shuttling out to the public or book was I mean, that the claims of fraud were.

我告訴他，他的人向公眾傳播的東西或書，我的意思是，欺詐的說法是。

We all know what happens in the beep, right?

我們都知道 "嗶 "的一聲會發生什麼，對吧？

What Bill Barr did there tell the truth, Pam Bondi, notably today, didn't do.

比爾-巴爾在那裡所做的是說出真相，而帕姆-邦迪，尤其是今天，並沒有這樣做。

And that, of course, is the point, the whole point.

當然，這才是重點，也是全部重點。

That's why she was a suitable second choice after Matt Gaetz flamed out.

這就是為什麼在馬特-蓋茨（Matt Gaetz）失勢後，她是合適的第二人選。

When Bondi was asked whether she would drop a case if Trump asked her to, Bondi said this.

當邦迪被問及如果特朗普要求她撤訴，她是否會撤訴時，邦迪這樣說道。

What would you do if your career DOJ prosecutors came to you with a case to prosecute, grounded in the facts and law, but the White House directs you to drop the case?

如果司法部的職業檢察官根據事實和法律向你提出起訴，但白宮卻訓示你放棄此案，你會怎麼做？

Senator, if I thought that would happen, I would not be sitting here today.

參議員，如果我認為會發生這種情況，我今天就不會坐在這裡了。

Except for when it does, because it already did.

除非它真的發生了，因為它已經發生了。

Here's former FBI Director Jim Comey back in 2017.

這是聯邦調查局前局長吉姆-科米在 2017 年的照片。

And so that's why I understood him to be saying that what he wanted me to do was drop any investigation connected to Flynn's account of his conversations with the Russians.

所以我理解他的意思是 他想讓我做的是 放棄任何與弗林與俄羅斯人談話有關的調查

Bondi today was also asked about her past comments on pursuing investigations into Donald Trump's political enemies.

邦迪今天還被問及她過去關於對唐納德-特朗普的政敵展開調查的言論。

Here's a particularly testy exchange with Senator Adam Schiff.

以下是與參議員亞當-希夫（Adam Schiff）的一段特別激烈的交流。

Sitting here today, sitting here today, are you aware of any factual predicate to investigate Jack Smith?

今天坐在這裡 你是否知道調查傑克-史密斯的任何事實依據？

Senator, I will look at the facts and the circumstances.

參議員，我會研究事實和情況。

There's no worry about divulging law enforcement sensitive information.

不用擔心洩露執法部門的敏感資訊。

Are you aware of a factual predicate to investigate Jack Smith?

你是否知道調查傑克-史密斯的事實前提？

參議員，我從新聞上聽到了什麼？

You seem reluctant to answer a simple question.

你似乎不願回答一個簡單的問題。

Let me ask you a different simple question.

The president also wants to jail Liz Cheney sitting here today.

總統還想把今天坐在這裡的利茲-切尼關進監獄。

Are you aware of any factual basis to investigate Liz Cheney?

你是否知道調查利茲-切尼的任何事實依據？

I'm asking you sitting here today whether you are aware of a factual predicate to investigate Liz Cheney.

我今天坐在這裡問你 你是否知道調查利茲・切尼的事實依據

Senator, no one has asked me to investigate Liz Cheney.

參議員，沒有人要求我調查利茲-切尼。

The president has called for it publicly.

We're also worried about Liz Cheney, Senator.

我們也很擔心利茲-切尼，參議員。

You know what we should be worried about?

The crime rate in California right now is the root of the roof.

加州目前的犯罪率是屋頂的根源。

Your robberies are 87 percent higher than the national average.

你們的搶劫案比全國平均水平高出 87%。

That's what I want to be focused on, Senator.

So wearing her nominee hat, those were her answers.

戴上提名人的帽子，這就是她的答案。

But here she is wearing just her, I don't know, Tuesday on Fox News hat.

但在這裡，她只戴著她的，我不知道，週二福克斯新聞的帽子。

She was a lot more definitive answering those questions.

在回答這些問題時，她的回答要明確得多。

The Department of Justice, the prosecutors will be prosecuted.

Because the deep state, last term for President Trump, they were hiding in the shadows.

因為深層國家，上一任特朗普總統，他們都躲在暗處。

But now they have a spotlight on them and they can all be investigated.

但現在，他們被聚光燈照著，都可以接受調查。

Joining our conversation, former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the Department of Justice.

加入我們對話的是司法部負責國家安全事務的前代理助理檢察長。

Now lucky for us, an MSNBC legal analyst, Mary McCord is here.

現在我們有幸請到了MSNBC的法律分析師瑪麗-麥考德（Mary McCord）。

She's the co-host of the podcast, Maine Justice, along with Andrew Weissman, a former top official at the Department of Justice and also an MSNBC legal analyst.

她與安德魯-魏斯曼（Andrew Weissman）共同主持播客 "緬因州的正義"（Maine Justice），安德魯-魏斯曼是司法部前高級官員，同時也是 MSNBC 的法律分析師。

Also joining us, voting rights attorney, founder of the site Democracy Docket, Mark Elias, is back.

同時加入我們的還有投票權律師、Democracy Docket網站創始人馬克-埃利亞斯（Mark Elias）。