Name: 電影製作人搶攻遊戲界巨頭！ | The Dip Podcast (Filmmakers are battling for gaming's top names | The Dip Podcast)
Uploaded: 2026-03-10T17:05:01.000Z
Duration: 14 min 18 s

Gaming culture allows a broad variety of storylines that we haven't seen before.

遊戲文化讓各種我們以前沒見過的故事類型都有機會出現。

Hollywood is discovering this trove of ip, this intellectual property.

好萊塢正在發掘這些 ip 寶藏，也就是這些知識產權。

It indicates to me sort of the lack of innovation in the Hollywood side.

這對我來說，有點顯示了好萊塢方面缺乏創新。

You see a revitalization of game sales because the TV series just reminds people of their favorite franchise.

你會看到遊戲銷量復甦，因為影集讓大家回想起他們最愛的系列。

Instead of making games and making movies, what we're really doing is making audiences, especially in the recent years.

與其說我們在製作遊戲和電影，不如說我們其實是在製作觀眾，尤其是在近幾年。

Why is Hollywood now like so obsessed with adapting games into movies?

為什麼好萊塢現在這麼熱衷於將遊戲改編成電影？

We've just been beaten to death with all these superhero movies.

我們已經被各種超級英雄電影打到爛了。

People are totally tired, grown men with capes and their underwear on the outside and they're just ready for something else.

大家真的都膩了，那些穿著內褲外露的披風男人，他們已經準備好迎接別的東西了。

And gaming, or gaming culture allows a broad variety of storylines that we haven't seen before.

而遊戲，或是遊戲文化，讓各種我們以前沒見過的故事類型都有機會出現。

And so Hollywood is discovering this trove of ip, this intellectual property that they haven't been able to leverage in the past and that now becomes incredibly valuable.

所以好萊塢正在發掘這些他們過去無法發揮的 ip 寶藏，也就是這些知識產權，而這些現在變得非常有價值。

The previous understanding, or my understanding, was that you had a movie that kind of became the center of an IP universe, right?

我之前的理解，或者說我的理解是，你們有一部電影，它有點像 IP 宇宙的中心，對吧？

You would have the Clueless movie come out, for example, and

像是《獨領風騷》這部電影出來了，然後

then you had games that came out around it, whether they were computer games or, you know, card games or something like that, or merch that went around it.

接著出了圍繞著它的遊戲，不管是電腦遊戲，還是，你知道的，卡牌遊戲，或是周邊商品。

Now it seems like anything's fair game if there's a fan base around it that could become the center of the IP universe and then you could make a movie out of it.

現在好像只要有粉絲基礎，任何東西都可以成為 IP 宇宙的中心，然後你就可以把它拍成電影。

所以這是我們正在看到的趨勢嗎？

Because I'm also thinking of like Pirates of the Caribbean.

因為我還想到像是《神鬼奇航》。

That's a ride in the, in Disney world in the US and then it became a whole movie franchise, for example.

那是美國迪士尼樂園裡的一個遊樂設施，然後它變成了一個完整的電影系列，例如。

So yes, it used to be sort of an additional form of revenue where I was like, oh, we have this thing, let's just sell off the rights and somebody's gonna make a crappy movie and maybe make a couple of bucks.

所以，以前這只是一種額外的收入來源，我會想說，喔，我們有這個東西，乾脆賣掉版權，有人會拍爛片，也許能賺點小錢。

If you look at the economics up until like 2010, that was a great way to end your career as a film director because there is just a string of like non profitable movies.

如果你看看經濟狀況直到2010年左右，這對電影導演來說是個很棒的職業生涯結尾，因為那時候拍了一堆不賺錢的電影。

It's like you would even like franchises that worked well.

就像你甚至連那些發展得不錯的系列。

They end up underwater by 2010, the franchise become more valuable and the audience drives more, you know, comes out in droves and they start spending more.

到2010年它們都虧損了，但這個系列變得更有價值，觀眾也更捧場，你知道的，大家蜂擁而至，開始花更多錢。

All of a sudden it starts to turn around and then it becomes a viable form of entertainment.

突然間情況開始好轉，然後它就變成了一種可行的娛樂形式。

The only exception here is the Pokemon movies.

They now have, I think, 23 full feature films each 90 minutes long that always break even and make a profit.

我認為他們現在有23部完整的長片，每部90分鐘，總是能打平或賺錢。

That's their thing on a global scale, you know, it's turned around.

這就是他們在全球的規模，你知道的，情況已經好轉了。

And so in many ways, the film industry and the games industry have found each other.

所以在很多方面，電影產業和遊戲產業已經找到了彼此。

But rather than having accretive revenue or additional money coming in through these franchises and merch events, now it's part of this flywheel, right?

但與其說透過這些系列和周邊商品活動帶來了增量營收或額外收入，現在它已經是這個飛輪的一部分了，對吧？

It's become incredibly large and also cluttered.

它變得非常龐大，但也有些雜亂。

所以這是一個脫穎而出的絕佳方式。

If I'm not playing the game, then maybe I can go watch the game or.

如果我沒有在玩遊戲，那我或許可以去看比賽，或者。

Or I can go online and discuss the game with other people.

或者我可以在網路上跟其他人討論遊戲。

So there's all these other activities surrounding it.

所以圍繞著它還有很多其他的活動。

And film has taken a very notable piece of this.

而電影也佔了其中很重要的一部分。

You see a revitalization of game sales because the TV series just reminds people of their favorite franchise, whether that's the Last of Us, whether that's Fallout.

你會看到遊戲銷量復甦，因為影集會讓人想起他們最喜歡的系列，無論是《最後生還者》還是《異塵餘生》。

So it becomes part of a flywheel rather than just a little bit extra money on the tail end, casting your mind back to the past.

所以它變成了一個循環的一部分，而不是僅僅是額外的收入，讓你回想起過去。

Yost, why did games movies historically fail compared to how successful they are today?

Yost，為什麼遊戲改編電影在歷史上不如現在這麼成功？

Yeah, so the history of the games industry at the box office is terrible.

是的，遊戲產業在票房上的歷史紀錄很糟糕。

And so it just has always been this venture where people go like, okay, don't do this.

所以它一直都是一項冒險，大家都會想說，好吧，別做這個。

The reason was because they didn't know very well.

原因是因為他們當時不太瞭解。

So famously, I mentioned the 1983 adaptation of Super Mario Bros.

所以就像我之前提到的，1983年的《超級瑪利歐兄弟》改編電影。

With Dennis Hopper, allegedly Dennis Hopper, as famous as he was, never even looked at the script or the IP or really bothered to know who Bowser was.

據說丹尼斯·霍普，即使他當時很有名，也從來沒看過劇本或知識產權，也不知道庫巴是誰。

Like the bad guy, the arch nemesis of Super Mario.

就是那個壞蛋，超級瑪利歐的宿敵。

And so you get a creative industry that is totally disconnected from the actual text, from the actual culture of the games industry.

結果就是一個創意產業，完全脫離了遊戲產業的實際內容和文化。

And so as a result, they just make movies.

所以最後，他們就只是拍電影。

You know, I'm wondering, I'm of two minds of this, right?

嗯，我有點好奇，我對這件事有兩種看法，對吧？

One part of me is like, Hollywood's just milking this nostalgia machine.

我一部分的想法是，好萊塢只是在榨取這個懷舊機器。

They're doing the same thing that like these reboots are doing right now, like the reboot of Harry Potter, for example, or the Barbie movie, right?

他們做的事情跟現在的重啟系列一樣，像是哈利波特的重啟，或是芭比電影，對吧？

Like, just milking this idea that people grew up with and trying to turn it into profit now.

就像是，只是在榨取大家從小到大都有的這些想法，然後試圖現在把它們變成利潤。

But then the other part of me is looking at, for example, the Last of Us.

但另一部分的我，則在看，比如說，《最後生還者》。

Maybe that was a story that a few years ago the gaming industry was just willing to tell, and

也許那是一個幾年前遊戲產業願意講的故事，而

And now that Hollywood can see, oh, okay, actually

現在好萊塢看到，喔，好吧，其實

people do like this game and like the queer characters, for example, that are centered there, they're like, okay, now somebody else has taken the risk, we're ready to take the risk.

大家喜歡這個遊戲，也喜歡裡面聚焦的同志角色，他們就會想，好吧，現在有人冒險了，我們也準備好冒險了。

So the, in general terms, I've always looked at it as to say that the games industry is, in the stories that it tells, is able to go beyond sort of like the classic Disney narratives.

所以總的來說，我一直認為遊戲產業在它講述的故事上，能夠超越像是經典迪士尼的敘事。

You know, like every, like it's only recently that we stopped rescuing princesses.

你知道嗎，像是最近我們才停止拯救公主。

I have a 4 year old daughter and so I am all the way up on all of the frozen lore.

我有個四歲的女兒，所以我對《冰雪奇緣》的各種故事瞭若指掌。

But that's a very relatively new development in sort of traditional Hollywood cinema.

但這在傳統好萊塢電影裡算是相對較新的發展了。

Whether that's animation for children or otherwise, the games industry offers a much wider range of narratives and storylines.

無論是給小孩看的動畫或其他類型，遊戲產業提供了更廣泛的敘事和故事情節。

And it, and it's because it borrows on animation, it borrows from the comic book industry.

而且，因為它借鑒了動畫，也借鑒了漫畫產業。

And so it's just a different set of storylines that now suddenly become relevant.

所以現在突然變得很有意義的，就是一套不同的故事情節。

In the case of the Last of Us, for instance, or having a different set of values and representations in gaming, I think that that is precisely why Hollywood has embraced it because it allows them to tell those stories, but

像是《最後生還者》這類遊戲，或是遊戲裡有著不同的價值觀和呈現方式，我覺得這正是好萊塢擁抱它的原因，因為這讓他們可以講述那些故事，

still sort of borrow the fact that, well, it's gaming, so it's sort of like this other space and we can borrow stories from that.

同時也還是可以借用「嗯，這是遊戲嘛，所以它就像是另一個空間，我們可以從那裡借用故事。」

We can have different, you know, heroes that lead the narrative as opposed to that we must stay true to somebody wearing a dress and a ball gown to save the day.

我們可以讓不同的、你知道的，英雄來引導敘事，而不是我們必須忠於某個穿著洋裝和舞會禮服的人來拯救世界。

It can be something more gritty, it can be something that tells a story that we haven't heard before.

它可以更寫實，它可以講述一個我們以前沒聽過的故事。

And I would add to that that the games industry, unlike say the storytelling that you see in Hollywood, tends to be much more global, tends to cater to a global audience.

我想補充的是，遊戲產業不像好萊塢的說故事方式，它傾向於更全球化，傾向於迎合全球觀眾。

And so there is much more influence from say Japan.

所以，來自日本的影響就大多了。

And Japan, if you've ever watched any anime, that is an experience all of its own.

而日本，如果你看過任何動畫，那本身就是一種獨特的體驗。

I mean, it's just aesthetically different.

我是說，它的美學就是不一樣。

But you see the narratives kind of progress.

And so the way to button this, for instance, is to say a phenomenon like the Hunger Games fight, which is the series of books, it's been made into movies that has also been popularized by games like Fortnite, where you sort of have last person standing wins.

所以，舉例來說，像《飢餓遊戲》這種現象，也就是這個系列的小說，被改編成電影，然後又因為像《Fortnite》這樣的遊戲而流行起來，遊戲裡就是最後一人站著獲勝。

But that's something that comes from the manga culture, from Japan.

但那其實是源自日本的漫畫文化。

so you can draw this red line from all the way to Japan, every Western audience saying like this is an idea, it's a concept, it's a wave storyteller that would have never emerged from the west, but

所以你可以一路追溯到日本，所有西方觀眾都會說，這是一個想法、一個概念、一個故事浪潮，這絕對不會是從西方出現的，

And now through gaming it travels much further and it becomes all of its own and narrative economy.

然後現在透過遊戲傳播得更遠，它就發展出自己的一套敘事經濟。

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