Name: 德州眾議員James Talarico 談如何對抗基督教國家主義，以及德州議會裡的詭異時光！ (Rep. James Talarico On Confronting Christian Nationalism, And Strange Days In The Texas Legislature)
Uploaded: 2026-02-22T21:44:42.000Z
Duration: 14 min 56 s

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Ladies and gentlemen, joining me now is a representative in the Texas State House who is currently running for the United States Senate.

各位來賓，現在加入我們的是一位德州州議會的代表，他目前正在競選美國參議院的職位。

Please welcome to The Late Show YouTube page.

歡迎來到 The Late Show 的 YouTube 頁面。

我平常不會這樣跟來賓說話，但是

if people are watching this right now, it's because they found us online on YouTube.

如果有人現在正在看這段影片，那是因為他們在 YouTube 上找到我們的。

I did an act of the show that's on tonight explaining why it's not the first time you've caused so much some drama.

我在節目中做了一個表演，今晚播出，解釋為什麼這不是你第一次引起這麼多風波。

FCC opening probe into the View after appearance by Talarico.

FCC 針對 Talarico 在 The View 的出現展開調查。

I think that Donald Trump is worried that we're about to flip Texas.

我認為唐納·川普擔心我們即將讓德州變天。

And stephen, This is the party that ran against cancel culture.

而且 Stephen，這個政黨過去是反對取消文化的。

And now they're trying to control what we watch, what we say, what we read.

現在他們卻想控制我們看什麼、說什麼、讀什麼。

And this is the most dangerous kind of cancel culture, the kind that comes from the top.

這是最危險的取消文化，是來自高層的那種。

They, they went after the View because I went on there.

他們針對 The View，因為我上過那個節目。

They went after Jimmy Kimmel for telling a joke they didn't like.

他們針對 Jimmy Kimmel，因為他講了一個他們不喜歡的笑話。

They went after you for telling the truth about Paramount's bribe to Donald Trump.

他們針對你，因為你說了關於 Paramount 賄賂唐納·川普的真相。

Corporate, corporate, corporate media executives are selling out the First Amendment to curry favor with corrupt politicians.

企業媒體的執行長們為了討好腐敗的政客，正在出賣美國憲法第一修正案。

And a threat to any of our First Amendment rights is a threat to all of our First Amendment rights.

任何對我們美國憲法第一修正案權利的威脅，就是對我們所有美國憲法第一修正案權利的威脅。

My network said our cancellation was a purely financial decision.

我的公司說我們被停播純粹是財務考量。

And I remain very grateful for the last 11 years.

我對過去這 11 年依然心存感激。

They give you the adult boots as a child and you grow into them.

他們在你小時候就給你大人穿的靴子，然後你慢慢長大去穿。

You served in the Texas House and now you're running for Senate.

你曾在德州州議會任職，現在要競選參議院。

The race, frankly, should not be as interesting as it is.

老實說，這場選戰不該像現在這麼有看頭。

唐納·川普以 14% 的差距贏得了德州。

Why do you think this year Texas is considered a possibility by Democrats?

你覺得今年德州為何會被民主黨視為一個潛在的機會？

My family has been in our state since it was Mexico and across.

我的家族從德州還是墨西哥的時候就已經在這裡了，橫跨了整個州。

So you're going to get deported is what you're saying.

所以你的意思是，你會被驅逐出境？

Across the state, there is a backlash growing to the extremism and the corruption in our politics.

在全州各地，對於我們政治中的極端主義和腐敗，一股反彈正在 growing。

And I have traveled every corner of Texas already, from El Paso to Beaumont, from Amarillo to Brownsville.

我已經走遍了德州的每一個角落，從 El Paso 到 Beaumont，從 Amarillo 到 Brownsville。

And we've had thousands of Texans showing up to rally with us.

我們已經有數千名德州人出來和我們一起集會。

And I can't tell you the number of people who come up to me at the end of these events and whisper, I'm not a Democrat, like it's some kind of secret.

我無法告訴你，有多少人在這些活動結束後走過來，小聲地跟我說，我不是民主黨人，好像這是什麼祕密一樣。

And we've recruited 14,000 volunteers who are out there doing the work all over our state.

我們已經招募了 14,000 名志工，他們正在我們全州各地辛勤工作。

We have, this is one of the most exciting parts.

我們有，這是最令人興奮的部分之一。

We have shattered grassroots fundraising records, all without taking a dime from corporate PACs.

我們打破了草根募款的紀錄，而且沒有拿過企業政治行動委員會一毛錢。

And so this is, this is really, it's a people powered movement to take back our state and take back our country.

這真的是一場人民力量運動，要奪回我們的州，奪回我們的國家。

And I feel like we're building something really special in Texas.

我感覺我們正在德州建立一些很特別的東西。

很明顯，唐納·川普已經注意到這件事了。

Now, one of the things, one of the things that's come up in some of the conversations you've had on the Texas State House floor, which some of the videos I've seen you do is, and

現在，在您與德州州議會的議員們談話時，有些事情，有些您在網路上影片裡做過的訪談中提到過，

one of the things that's gotten you attention out there is that you are a Presbyterian seminarian presently.

而且讓您受到關注的一件事是，您目前是一位長老會的神學院學生。

The right attempts to co opt Christianity to say that, you know, you can't believe in God.

右派試圖收編基督教，說你不能信仰上帝。

I think Donald Trump might have said something like that at the National Prayer Breakfast.

我想唐納·川普在全國祈禱早餐會上可能說過類似的話。

Like, you can't actually be a Christian, be a Democrat.

像是，你不能真的成為基督徒，同時又是民主黨員。

But the religious right is, it's largely a political movement that references spirituality, but it's a political.

但宗教右派，它很大程度上是一個政治運動，它會引用靈性，但它就是政治的。

What do you, what is your, what is your heartfelt hand out to the people who want to use religion as a tool of political power?

你，你最真誠的伸出手，想對那些想利用宗教作為政治權力工具的人說些什麼？

Well, for 50 years, the religious right, a political movement that is the perfect description for it, they convinced a lot of our fellow Christians that the most important issues were abortion and gay marriage.

嗯，過去 50 年來，宗教右派，一個政治運動，這真是對它的完美描述，他們說服了我們許多基督徒，最重要的議題是墮胎和同性婚姻。

Two issues that aren't mentioned in the Bible.

Two issues that Jesus never talked about.

Jesus in Matthew 25 tells us exactly how you and I and every one of our fellow believers, how we're going to be judged and how we're going to be saved by feeding the hungry, by healing the sick, by welcoming the stranger.

耶穌在馬太福音 25 章告訴我們，你和我，以及我們所有信徒，將如何被審判，以及如何得救，那就是餵飽飢餓的人、醫治病人、接待陌生人。

Nothing about going to church, nothing about voting Republican.

沒有提到去教堂，也沒有提到投給共和黨。

It was all about how you treat other people.

I've said before, don't tell me what you believe.

我說過，不要告訴我你相信什麼。

Show me how you treat other people and I'll tell you what you believe.

讓我看看你如何對待別人，我就能告訴你你相信什麼。

And I think in our faith, we've got to get back to those.

我認為在我們的信仰裡，我們必須回到這些。

My granddad was a Baptist preacher in South Texas.

我爺爺是德州南部一位浸信會的牧師。

And when I was little, he told me that Christianity is a simple religion.

我小時候，他告訴我基督教是一門簡單的宗教。

Not an easy religion, he would always clarify, but a simple religion.

他總是會澄清，不是一門容易的宗教，而是一門簡單的宗教。

Because Jesus gave us two commandments, love God and love neighbor.

因為耶穌給了我們兩條誡命：愛上帝和愛鄰居。

And there was no exception to that second commandment, love thy neighbor, regardless of race or gender or sexual orientation or immigration status or religious affiliation.

而第二條誡命，愛你的鄰居，沒有任何例外，無論種族、性別、性取向、移民身份或宗教信仰。

And it's Why I have fought so hard for the separation of church and state in the state capitol in Texas.

這也是為什麼我在德州州議會裡，為政教分離奮鬥了這麼久。

Well, I want to, I want to ask you about that.

嗯，我想，我想問妳關於這件事。

Because you did as a, as a state rep, you fought against the, a bill requiring the Ten Commandments to be displayed in schools.

因為妳在擔任州眾議員時，曾反對一項要求學校展示「十誡」的法案。

Why, even on that level, do you think it's important to keep the separation not just for the state, but

為什麼，即使在那個層級，妳認為保持政教分離不僅對國家重要，

Well, because we are called to love all of our neighbors, including our Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, agnostic, atheist neighbors.

嗯，因為我們被呼召去愛我們所有的鄰居，包括我們的穆斯林、猶太教、佛教、印度教、錫克教、不可知論、無神論的鄰居。

And forcing our religion down their throats is not love.

強迫我們的宗教灌輸給他們，這不是愛。

And it's why I have fought, it's why I fought so hard for that sacred separation in our First Amendment.

這也是為什麼我為我們美國憲法第一修正案中神聖的政教分離而奮鬥，而且是如此努力地奮鬥。

Because my granddad, he raised me to believe that that boundary between church and state doesn't just benefit the state or our democracy, although it certainly does, but

因為我爺爺，他從小教育我，教會和國家之間的界線不只對國家或我們的民主有益，雖然它確實有益，但

Because when the church gets too cozy with political power, it loses its prophetic voice, its ability to speak truth to power, its ability to imagine a completely different world.

因為當教會與政治權力過從甚密時，它就會失去其先知般的聲音，失去對權力說真話的能力，失去想像一個截然不同世界的可能性。

And so this separation between church and state is something we have to safeguard, it's something we have to fight for.

所以，我們必須捍衛這份政教分離，我們必須為此奮鬥。

And I think we need someone in the US Senate who is going to confront Christian nationalism and say.

我認為我們需要一位進入美國參議院的人，他會去對抗基督教國家主義，並且說。

And tell the truth, which is that there is nothing Christian about Christian nationalism.

而且要說出真相，那就是基督教國家主義一點都不基督教。

It is the worship of power in the name of Christ and it is a betrayal of Jesus of Nazareth.

它是以基督之名崇拜權力，而且這是對拿撒勒人耶穌的背叛。

And I just want to thank you, Stephen, because I know you're not a politician, but

而且我只想謝謝你，Stephen，因為我知道你不是政治人物，但是

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