Name: 警方搜查與愛潑斯坦案有關的彼得·曼德爾森兩處房產！BBC新聞 (Police searching two properties linked to Peter Mandelson over Epstein investigation | BBC News)
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And let's return straight away to that breaking news.

讓我們馬上回到這個突發新聞。

程度副詞

We have just heard from the Metropolitan Police.

我們剛才聽取了倫敦都會警察的說法。

Let me tell you, they have issued a statement, an update, they say, on their investigations into misconduct in public office offences.

讓你們知道，他們發布了一份聲明，一份更新，他們說，是關於他們對公職行為失當罪的調查。

They don't mention by name Peter Mandelson, but let me tell you what they say in the statement.

他們沒有點名彼得·曼德爾森，但讓你們知道他們在聲明中說了什麼。

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Hayley Stewart of the Met says, I can confirm that officers from the Met's Central Specialist Crime Team are in the process of carrying out search warrants at two addresses, one, they say, in the Wiltshire area and another in the Camden area.

倫敦都會警察的副助理總監 Hayley Stewart 表示，我可以證實，倫敦都會警察中央專業罪案組的警員正在對兩個地址執行搜查令，一個在他們說的威爾特郡地區，另一個在康登地區。

The searches, they say, are related to an ongoing investigation into misconduct in public office offenses involving a 72 year old man.

他們說，這次搜查與對一名 72 歲男子涉及的公職行為失當罪的持續調查有關。

The statement says he has not been arrested and inquiries are ongoing.

聲明說，他尚未被逮捕，調查仍在進行中。

So that has just come from the Metropolitan Police.

所以這是剛才來自倫敦都會警察的消息。

Of course, it is a week almost exactly since the latest tranche of information was released by the Department of Justice and there's been just a tsunami, an avalanche of information, of emails, of documents, and of course that has led to all sorts of ramifications and of course, the political ramifications here in the uk.

當然，距離司法部發布最新一批資訊差不多正好一週了，而且出現了滔天巨浪、雪崩般的大量資訊、電子郵件、文件，當然這也導致了各種後果，當然還有這裡英國的政治後果。

Straight to Westminster, straight to Nick Hurdley, who is across this story for us.

直接連線到國會，連線到負責這則新聞的 Nick Hurdley。

And Nick, another very significant development here.

Nick，這又是一個非常重大的發展。

It is a significant development, Matthew, and I think it shows that the Met are progressing this investigation pretty quickly, actually.

Matthew，這確實是一個重大的發展，我認為這顯示倫敦都會警察正在相當快速地推進這項調查。

So as we speak, they are continuing those searches at a property in Wiltshire and one in the Camden area of London.

所以就在我們談話的同時，他們仍在威爾特郡的一個地點和倫敦康登地區的一個地點進行搜索。

They are saying that Lord Manuson has not been arrested and the inquiries into those allegations of misconduct and a public office are continuing.

他們表示，曼森勳爵尚未被逮捕，對這些公職行為失當的指控的調查仍在進行中。

But it does suggest that the Met wants to get this investigation going as quickly as possible.

但這確實顯示倫敦都會警察希望盡快展開調查。

It's another difficult moment for the Government because it means that this story is going to be back in the limelight over the next few hours.

這對政府來說又是一個艱難的時刻，因為這意味著這則新聞在接下來的幾個小時內將再次成為焦點。

Remember that a lot of the focus over the past 48 hours or so has moved on to the Prime Minister about his judgment in appointing Lord Mandelson.

請記得，在過去大約 48 小時裡，很多焦點都轉移到了首相身上，關於他任命曼森勳爵的判斷。

But as part of that tranche of emails we got published in the us, there are some quite remarkable ones which relate to information that appears to have been shared from Lord Mandelson to Geoffrey Epstein, including details of government business shared by insiders in number 10 with Lord Mandelson when he was Business Secretary, talking about things such as government asset sales.

但作為我們在那邊公佈的電子郵件部分內容，其中有一些相當引人注目的，與曼森勳爵似乎分享給傑佛瑞·艾普斯坦的資訊有關，包括內部人士在唐寧街十號與當時擔任商務大臣的曼森勳爵分享的政府業務細節，內容涉及政府資產出售等事項。

There was also an email in there where it appeared that Lord Manderson had sent Jeff Epstein confirmation that a bailout of Eurozone countries was coming.

裡面還有一封電子郵件，其中曼森勳爵似乎向傑夫·艾普斯坦確認了歐元區國家將獲得救助。

Not something the UK would have been involved in, but something it would have known about in advance.

這不是英國會參與的，但英國會事先知道。

So there has been a real sense of shock around Westminster at some of the information that was apparently being shared and police now progressing that investigation.

所以國會對這些 apparently 被分享的資訊感到相當震驚，而警方也正在推進這項調查。

It seems, pretty quickly, and we know when Gordon Brown, the former Prime Minister, raised this back in September, there were initial inquiries, but it has become clear over recent, recent days that perhaps a lot of these emails were on his private email.

似乎很快，我們知道當前首相高登·布朗在九月提出此事時，曾有初步的詢問，但這幾天來已經很清楚，或許這些電子郵件很多都存在於他的私人電子郵件中。

And that, I suppose, is significant in terms of just tracing some of the basic information and communications.

我猜，這在追蹤一些基本資訊和通訊方面，確實很重要。

Yeah, you're absolutely right, because you remember former Prime Minister Gordon Brown asked in September, just before Lord Mandelson was sacked as Ambassador, for the Cabinet Secretary, to look into this, and the Cabinet Secretary said he couldn't find anything.

對，你說得沒錯，因為你記得前首相高登·布朗在九月，就在曼森勳爵被解職為大使之前，請內閣祕書長調查此事，而內閣祕書長說他找不到任何東西。

I say could, because we're not certain, but it could be that Lord Manelson wasn't using his government email to communicate with Jeffrey Epstein.

我說可能是，因為我們不確定，但可能是曼森勳爵沒有使用他的政府電子郵件與傑佛瑞·艾普斯坦溝通。

My understanding from back in September, when some of these emails first emerged, was that Lord Mandelson didn't know about them because they'd been at an Internet email address or a BT Internet email address that he no longer used nor had access to.

我記得九月這些電子郵件首次出現時，曼森勳爵並不知道這些，因為它們存在於一個他不再使用也沒有權限存取的網路電子郵件地址或 BT Internet 電子郵件地址。

So it's quite feasible that these emails are also from an email address that he no longer has access to.

所以這些電子郵件也可能來自一個他不再能存取的電子郵件地址，這是很有可能的。

We'll wait and see what happens with that over the next few days and weeks, but it's worth just.

我們將在接下來的幾天和幾週內，看看會發生什麼事，但值得一提的是。

Matthew, it has been an extraordinary week.

馬修，這真是非比尋常的一週。

I know us Westminster folk like to say it's been an extraordinary week, quite a lot.

我知道我們這些在國會工作的人，常說這真是非比尋常的一週，而且還不少。

But this is a really difficult position for the Prime Minister.

但這對首相來說，處境真的很艱難。

There are plenty of Labour MPs who think that the Prime Minister should have shown more caution when it came to giving Lord Mandelson that job in the first place.

有許多工黨國會議員認為，首相當初在給曼森勳爵那個職位時，應該更謹慎一些。

There are some people that would say, well, the benefit of hindsight is a great thing, but these documents published just last week by the U.S. department of justice about Jeffrey Epstein's contact with various people around the world have just lit a fuse in Westminster and have led to a huge political crisis that has ended Lord Mandelson's political career, may well yet end others too.

有些人可能會說，事後諸葛總是比較容易，但美國司法部上週才公佈的關於傑佛瑞·艾普斯坦與世界各地許多人接觸的文件，就像在國會點燃了一根引信，引發了一場巨大的政治危機，這不僅結束了曼森勳爵的政治生涯，很可能還會波及其他人。

Separately, because the BBC reported only about half an hour ago.

另外，因為 BBC 大約半小時前才報導。

It, of course, underlines just how many developments are coming, one after another, that the total number of government documents related to Peter Mandelson that will now be trawled over by the Intelligence Committee is close to 100,000.

這當然凸顯了有多少發展接踵而至，情報委員會現在將要審查的彼得·曼森森相關的政府文件總數，接近十萬份。

So a huge number of communications and there is jeopardy, potentially endanger in all of that, not just around the appointment, but wider issues.

所以有大量的通訊，而這其中存在著風險，潛在的危險不僅僅是關於任命，還有更廣泛的問題。

One remembers the Government's original amendment had A reference to national security, but also this other rather strange reference to international affairs.

我們記得政府最初的修正案提到了國家安全，還有另一項相當奇怪的關於國際事務的提及。

If you link those two things together, there are areas of obvious danger, aren't there, about potentially where messages go and what they've said?

如果將這兩件事連結起來，顯然存在一些危險，不是嗎？關於訊息可能流向何處以及它們說了什麼？

I mean, the fear in government is that some of the stuff that could be published is really embarrassing.

我的意思是，政府擔心有些可能被公開的內容會非常令人尷尬。

It could be one of the things covered by this disclosure motion in Parliament.

這可能是國會這次披露動議涵蓋的內容之一。

The things the government has to disclose is all communication between Lord Mandelson, government ministers and special advisors while he was US ambassador.

政府必須披露的是曼森勳爵擔任美國大使期間，他與政府部長及特別顧問之間的所有通訊。

That is potentially a huge amount of information.

And I think the Epstein files have shown us that Lord Mandelson wasn't always particularly discreet with his private messaging.

我認為，艾普斯坦的檔案已經向我們展示，曼森勳爵在私人訊息往來上並不總是特別謹慎。

So that could mean embarrassing stuff about the UK's relationship with the Trump White House.

所以，這可能意味著關於英國與川普白宮關係的令人尷尬的內容。

It could mean embarrassing details about Lord Mandelson's role in.

這可能意味著關於曼森勳爵在其中扮演角色的令人尷尬的細節。

In advising the government about various things it was doing.

在就政府的各種作為提供建議時。

It could be about personal relationships that Lord Mandelson had with senior people in government.

這可能跟曼森勳爵與政府高層之間的私人關係有關。

It's potentially a massive, massive moment when that stuff's published, just to remind everybody what happens, because I think there has been some confusion about what will happen next.

這可能是一個非常、非常重大的時刻，當這些東西被公開時，只是要提醒大家會發生什麼事，因為我認為對於接下來會發生什麼，一直有些混淆。

I can't tell you when this stuff is going to be published.

我無法告訴你這些東西什麼時候會被公開。

What will happen is the Cabinet Secretary, the most senior civil servant in the country, will decide what he thinks can be disclosed publicly.

接下來會由內閣祕書長，也就是這個國家最資深的公務員，來決定他認為哪些內容可以公開。

That stuff will go to Parliament and we will see it all.

這些東西會送交國會，我們都會看到。

It will be another case of journalists like me going through it, trying to figure out what's in there.

這將是像我這樣的記者，又一次仔細審閱，試圖找出其中內容的案例。

There will be some stuff that the government says is sensitive on national security grounds or those international relations grounds you talked about, that will go to the Intelligence and Security Committee.

政府會說有些東西基於國家安全理由，或是你提到的國際關係理由，認為是敏感的，這些東西會送交情報暨安全委員會。

The government will be asked to identify exactly how it thinks it's prejudicial to national security or UK international relations.

政府會被要求釐清，他們認為哪些內容會損害國家安全或英國的國際關係。

And the Intelligence and Security Committee will then decide what to do with that information.

情報暨安全委員會接著會決定如何處理這些資訊。

One of the options it could have is to publish it in a report, but given the scope and the scale and the number of documents that are covered by this, it's a huge moment and there'll be a lot of people in government extremely nervous about what's going to come out.

其中一個選項是將資訊發布在報告裡，但考量到這份報告涵蓋的範圍、規模和文件數量，這將是個重要的時刻，政府裡會有很多人非常擔心接下來會揭露什麼。

Let's turn to perhaps the wider Labour Party, because, of course, we've had a few employees break ranks and be very open about thinking the Prime Minister position is untenable.

我們來談談更廣泛的工黨，因為，當然了，已經有一些黨員打破了沉默，公開表示認為首相的職位難以為繼。

But what sense are you getting from the various conversations you're having?

但你從你進行的各種談話中，得到了什麼樣的感覺？

I think a number of MPs who would have been reluctant to criticize Keir Starmer in the past, are now doing so privately.

我認為過去許多不願批評基爾·斯塔默的國會議員，現在私下都在這麼做。

But I don't think we're yet at a tipping point now.

但我認為我們還沒到一個臨界點。

That doesn't mean that nothing will happen in the next few days that changes that.

這不代表未來幾天不會發生任何改變現狀的事情。

It doesn't mean that Sir Keir Starmer might not decide himself that he can't go on.

這不代表基爾·斯塔默爵士可能不會自己決定他無法繼續下去。

We're certainly at a point where things are extremely dangerous for the Prime Minister, perhaps irrecoverable, but in terms of the immediacy of whether he's removed from office, I don't get the sense that something's about to happen imminently that would force that issue.

我們確實處於一個對首相來說極度危險的時刻，可能已經無法挽回，但就他是否會被罷免的緊迫性而言，我感覺不到有什麼事情即將發生，會迫使這個問題出現。

But there are a lot of things coming up that could.

但接下來有很多事情可能會發生。

其中之一就是那些文件的發布。

If we get any of that stuff in the next few days and weeks and it's embarrassing for the government or for number 10.

如果我們在接下來的幾天和幾週內看到任何這類令人尷尬的內容，無論是對政府還是對唐寧街十號。

The Gorton and Denton by election at the end of the month.

If Labour's thumped in that, as many Labour folk fear, that will put more pressure on the Prime Minister.

如果工黨在那裡慘敗，正如許多工黨人士所擔心的那樣，這將對首相施加更多壓力。

May the local elections in England, the Scottish and Welsh elections as well, if they go as badly for the Labour Party as many expect, potentially finishing third in Wales, maybe even third in Scotland, that would put considerably more pressure on the Prime Minister.

五月的英格蘭地方選舉，以及蘇格蘭和威爾士的選舉，如果對工黨的影響像許多人預期的那樣糟糕，可能在威爾士排名第三，甚至在蘇格蘭也排名第三，這將對首相施加相當大的壓力。

As you go through the various bear traps that are there already in the timeline, add on to that the.

當你一一破解時間軸上已經存在的各種陷阱時，再加上...

The simply Unknown nature, number 10, the Prime Minister sitting there not knowing exactly where any of this potentially goes, whether it's investigations, whether it's documents, all of that.

根本未知的狀況，唐寧街十號，首相坐在那裡，不知道這一切到底會導向哪裡，不管是調查、文件，所有這些。

I was talking to Tom Baldwin, Keir Starmer's biographer, only a short while ago.

我不久前才跟 Keir Starmer 的傳記作者 Tom Baldwin 聊過。

He agreed with a point you were making an hour or so ago.

他同意你大約一小時前提出的觀點。

Is perhaps one of the things that helps Keir Starmer is the fact that all the obvious successes have their own problems of different sorts.

或許能幫助 Keir Starmer 的一點，就是所有明顯的成功都各自有不同類型的問題。

So where Streeting often mentioned as a potential successor, close to Lord Mandelson, Angela Rayner still being investigated by hmrc, that has not been wrapped up yet.

所以，Streetin 經常被提及為潛在的接班人，他接近 Lord Mandelson，而 Angela Rayner 仍被英國稅務海關總署調查，這件事還沒結束。

Some people have talked about the Defence Secretary, John Healy, the Armed Forces Minister, Al Kearns, there's the Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmud.

有些人提到了國防大臣 John Healy、武裝部隊部長 Al Kearns，還有內政大臣 Shabana Mahmud。

All of them have their own kind of issues.

The certain people in the Labour Party might not want them.

工黨裡的一些人可能不想要他們。

And I do think there are a lot of people in the Labour Party when it comes to the bet.

我認為工黨裡有很多人，在關於賭注這件事上。

When they're asked, do you want rid of Keir Starmer, what would you do next?

當他們被問到，你們想擺脫 Keir Starmer 嗎？接下來你們會怎麼做？

Some on the left are worried that if they force the Prime Minister out, they might have someone else they dislike in office.

一些左翼人士擔心，如果他們逼走首相，可能會讓他們不喜歡的其他人上任。

Some in the center of the Labour Party are worried that if Keir Starmer is forced out, they might get someone from the left.

工黨中間派的一些人擔心，如果 Keir Starmer 被逼走，他們可能會得到左翼的人。

So there are a lot of things that might mean that Keir Starmer is in the next few weeks, perhaps the next few months, does remain in number 10.

所以有很多因素可能意味著，在接下來的幾週，也許是幾個月裡，Keir Starmer 仍然會留在唐寧街十號。

The other one, by the way, is the mechanism for getting rid of a Labour Prime Minister.

順帶一提，另一件事是罷免工黨首相的機制。