Name: 柯南認為 Charli XCX 的〈The Moment〉是描繪名聲最真實的寫照！| Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend (Conan Thinks Charli xcx’s The Moment Is The Truest Depiction Of Fame | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend)
Uploaded: 2026-01-29T17:15:06.000Z
Duration: 10 min 49 s

it is a mockumentary, which I don't think quite describes it, because it's a.

它是一部mockumentary，但我覺得這詞不太貼切，因為它是

And Sona, you saw it as well, the thing that struck me as I watched it, and

Sona，妳也看了，我觀看時最讓我印象深刻的是，而且

And I'm speaking as someone who has nothing, no connection to that world and that experience, but

我是個跟那個世界和那個經驗毫無關聯的人，但我

you can tell when something is authentic.

你可以分辨出什麼東西是autentic的。

And this is a very smart, honest, funny, wry look at what you went through.

而且這是一個非常聰明、誠實、有趣、wry 的視角來看妳的經歷。

And no, it is not factual, but it's true.

而且，它不是史實，但卻是真的。

I mean, just when you watch the movie, you get a really good sense of what it's like to be you.

我是說，當你看這部電影時，你真的能很好地感受到妳是什麼樣的人。

而且我知道這是妳的一個版本，但是

it felt to me like a very honest, cool, innovative document.

它讓我覺得這是一部非常誠實、很酷、innovative 的 document。

And I don't know what your experience was.

而且我不知道妳的經驗是什麼。

It reminded me of something you said, which is a lot of times people try to justify their paychecks, and

這讓我想起妳說過的一件事，就是很多時候人們試圖證明他們的薪水是值得的，然後

it seemed like there was a lot of characters in here who were trying to justify their paychecks in a way.

感覺這裡有很多角色都在以某種方式試圖證明他們的薪水是值得的。

And it shows you what it really is for people who are such a big part of the Zeitgeist, who have so many voices that are just coming at them.

這也讓妳看到，對於那些是 Zeitgeist 的重要一部分、有這麼多聲音湧入他們的人來說，這到底是什麼樣的。

He's so incredible in this, but everybody is so funny.

他在裡面太厲害了，但每個人都超好笑。

it's such a great glimpse into what it's like to go through what you went through.

這讓我們很能體會你當時經歷的一切是什麼感覺。

We're big Rachel Sennett fans, and she was sitting in that chair weeks ago, and

我們是 Rachel Sennett 的忠實粉絲，幾週前她就坐在這裡，

we were talking about her new show, and I just adore her.

我們在聊她的新節目，我真的超愛她。

I love that she's playing this version of herself, which isn't all that flattering, and it's really funny.

我喜歡她演繹這個版本的自己，雖然不是那麼討喜，但真的很好笑。

But also, I love that she comes in and encounters you at a weak moment and gives you this advice, which is, like, comically, she's telling you, you got to go for it.

不過我也很喜歡她出現、在你脆弱的時候給你建議，而且她給的建議是那種，很搞笑地告訴你，你得衝了。

But in a way, you're thinking, no, don't listen to that.

但你心裡又想，不行，別聽她的。

Her lighting is insane, and I look insane.

她的打光超狂，我也看起來超狂。

Song about the Fruit, you know, there were so many moments that are.

Song about the Fruit，你知道，有很多時刻都是。

And, yeah, Alexander Skarsgrd's coming in and he's this very awkward, weird energy.

對，Alexander Skarsgrd 進來，他就是那種很 awkward、weird energy 的感覺。

But to your point, Sona, It's a really good point.

不過說到你的重點，Sona，這真的是個很棒的重點。

The thing I like the most about the movie is something that happens all the time in any kind of entertainment endeavor, which is you are you.

我最喜歡這部電影的一點，是任何娛樂事業裡都會發生的事，那就是你就是你。

You are a real person living in the world.

你是個活生生的人，在這個世界上生活。

You are following your own North Star, creatively making your stuff.

你跟隨著你自己的North Star，在創作上做你自己的東西。

Then you hit this motherlode of insane success.

Credit card companies, Frappuccino companies, sneaker companies, banks, presidential candidates, everybody moves in.

Credit card companies、Frappuccino公司、運動鞋公司、銀行、總統候選人，所有人都會加入。

And as we talked about earlier, a lot of your work is flow state work.

而且就像我們之前討論過的，你的很多工作都是處於flow state的狀態。

But now people are saying, now, hold on a second.

It's not good for Arby's restaurant if you say fuck in the song.

如果你在歌裡說髒話，對Arby's餐廳來說並不好。

Why would Charli XCX be saying, I like Arby's?

為什麼Charli XCX要說，我喜歡Arby's？

And that is depicted so well in this movie.

這部電影把這一點描繪得太好了。

It also felt like very much a snapshot of where we are right now.

它也感覺很像我們現在所處狀態的快照。

And I think people are always trying to depict.

There's a lot of movies about famous people and people going through fame.

有很多關於名人還有經歷名聲的人的電影。

I thought this was the truest depiction I've seen in memory of what it's really like.

我覺得這是記憶中最真實地描繪了真實情況的寫照。

Yeah, it's like, thank you for saying all of that, by the way.

沒錯，順帶一提，謝謝你說了這麼多。

And you really got the film, which is great.

而且你真的理解這部電影，這很棒。

And the car ride on the way over in your white Ford.

還有你開著白色 Ford 車來的這段路程。

And then they showed you a picture of my hair and you went, what is that?

然後他們給你看了我頭髮的照片，你就說，這是什麼？

不，我的意思是，你知道，你永遠不知道。

You're so locked into the edit and you're like, are we insane?

你太專注於剪輯了，然後你會想，我們瘋了嗎？

And then you're like, you know, whatever.

然後你就想，你知道的，隨便啦。

When someone likes my work, I say, you're smart.

當有人喜歡我的作品時，我會說，你很聰明。

柯南認為 Charli XCX 的〈The Moment〉是描繪名聲最真實的寫照！| Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend (Conan Thinks Charli xcx’s The Moment Is The Truest Depiction Of Fame | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend)

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