Name: 瑪莉娜·阿布拉莫維奇專訪：給年輕人的建議 | 路易斯安那頻道 (Marina Abramović Interview: Advice to the Young | Louisiana Channel)
Uploaded: 2026-01-07T17:27:46.000Z
Duration: 8 min 46 s

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Oh, it's plenty of advice I can give the young artists, but

喔，我可以給年輕藝術家們很多建議，但

I think that one of the main, for me question is if somebody is artist at all.

我覺得對我來說，一個主要的問題是，一個人到底是不是藝術家。

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Because, you know, it's just you can proclaim yourself young artist, maybe you're not artist, or you can be, you know, better off doing something else.

因為你知道，你可能自稱是年輕藝術家，但你可能不是，或者你可能，你知道，做別的事情會更好。

So when I was teaching, this was one of the tests I will.

所以在我教學的時候，這是我會做的一個測試。

I will ask, you know, how you know you're an artist.

我會問，你知道，你怎麼知道自己是個藝術家。

And you know, to know an artist or not is like a breathing.

你知道，要成為藝術家或不是，就像呼吸一樣。

You don't question breathing, you have to breathe.

你不會質疑呼吸，你必須呼吸。

So if you wake up in the morning and you have some ideas and you have to make them and this become like a kind of almost obsession and you have to create and you have this urge to create, you're definitely an artist, but

所以如果你早上醒來，腦中有一些想法，你必須把它們做出來，這變成一種近乎執念，你必須創作，你有一種創作的衝動，那你絕對是個藝術家，但是

To be great artists, that's all different types of rules.

要成為偉大的藝術家，那又是另一回事了。

It's like it's nothing else in your mind till you realize the work.

就像你的腦子裡沒有別的東西，直到你完成作品。

And this is complexity of the intensity that you put into work.

這就是你投入作品的強度上的複雜性。

And also, I think the great artists have to be ready to fail, which is not too many people do.

而且，我認為偉大的藝術家必須準備好失敗，這不是很多人能做到的。

Because when you have success in a certain way, then the public accept you in a certain way.

因為當你在某方面獲得成功時，公眾就會以某種方式接受你。

You start somehow involuntary reproducing the same images, the same type of work, and you're not risking.

你會開始不自覺地重複一樣的畫面、一樣的作品類型，而且你沒有在冒險。

And the real artists always change their territories and they go to the land they've never been, and

而真正的藝術家總是在改變他們的領域，他們會去到他們從未去過的地方，

然後你就會有失敗的可能，而且你敢於冒險。

And that failure actually is what makes this extra, you know, ready to fail that makes great artists.

而這種失敗，其實就是讓偉大的藝術家，準備好去失敗的額外原因。

And you know, again, you know, if you wanted to as young, you wanted to be famous and rich, then you just can forget even the idea of being an artist because the, you know, the money and the success is.

而且你知道，再一次，你知道，如果你年輕時，你想成名致富，那麼你就得忘掉成為藝術家的想法，因為，你知道，金錢和成功是。

It's just a side effect and sometimes happen in your lifetime, sometimes not, but

它只是一個副作用，有時候發生在你活著的時候，有時候不會，但

doesn't, you know, keep you away from working.

它不會，你知道，阻止你繼續創作。

I have this great example for me, really courage that you need the courage.

我有一個很棒的例子，真的需要勇氣。

I think the most courageous act ever in the history of humankind, you know, to me was definitely Columbus, you know, going to discover America.

我認為人類歷史上最勇敢的行為，對我來說絕對是哥倫布，你知道，去發現美洲。

And then by mistake he discovered America.

But there was this, you know, he went there with his crew to little island called El Hiero.

但當時，你知道，他和他的船員去了一個叫做 El Hiero 的小島。

In the archipelago, the Canary Archipelago.

And there was this night that this sailor's head, the last night before going to this explosion.

在前往這個爆炸的前一晚，有個水手的頭。

But in those days, the idea of the planet our Earth, that was a plate that you can fall off into unknown.

但當時，地球這個星球的概念，對大家來說就像一個盤子，你可能會掉下去，進入未知的領域。

So they took this risk to fail from the plate of unknown and they discovered America.

所以他們冒著從未知領域掉下去的風險，最後發現了美洲。

這是一個很好的例子，適用於所有事情。

I had a very old professor, really, which I love very much.

我有一位非常非常老的教授，我真的很愛他。

He said to me, if you are drawing with your right hand and you're getting better and better, and

他說，如果你用右手畫畫，而且你畫得越來越好，

you become virtuous, so that we do close eyes, you can draw anything you want, immediately change to the left hand.

你變得非常熟練，閉著眼睛都能畫出任何你想畫的東西，立刻換左手。

Because when you become routine, that is end of everything.

因為當你變得例行公事，那就是一切的終點。

And the second great advice, he said to me, you know, in your lifetime you probably will have one good idea.

第二個很棒的建議是，他說，你知道，你一生中可能只有一個好點子。

If you're really good artist, and if you're genius, two good ideas, that's it.

如果你是一位真正的藝術家，而且你很有天賦，一生中可能只有兩個好點子。

When I was young, I would have different ideas to do work.

我年輕的時候，我會有很多不同的想法來做創作。

So I never wanted to develop kind of certain style that I would be recognized.

所以我從來不想發展某種會讓人認出我的特定風格。

So have this obsession about one thing and then I had to do it.

所以對某件事產生執念，然後我就必須去做。

And mostly I will do the work that I'm afraid of.

而且我大多會去做我害怕的創作。

如果我對一個想法感到非常害怕。

Because if you do things you like, you never change, there is nowhere to go.

因為如果你做你喜歡的事情，你就不會改變，沒有地方可去。

You're always doing the same shit again and again.

你總是做著同樣的爛事，一次又一次。

But if you do things that you don't know, the things you're afraid of something really different, then it's really important to go to this different pattern and something different happen.

但如果你做那些你不知道的事，那些讓你害怕的、真正不同的事，那麼去到那個不同的模式並讓一些不同的事情發生，就非常重要。

So I will get into these ideas that I don't know.

所以我會深入研究那些我不知道的想法。

But the other things, you know, I made just to give example of one of my exercises for my students when I was teaching.

至於其他事情，你知道的，我只是舉個我以前教學生時的練習例子。

I would tell them that they will three months, they will buy hundred just sheets of paper and one rubbish can.

我會告訴他們，他們會有三個月的時間，買一百張紙和一個垃圾桶。

And every day in the same time, they will sit on the chair and write the good ideas.

每天在同一時間，他們會坐在椅子上寫下好點子。

And the one that they like, they put on the left side of the table.

喜歡的點子，就放在桌子的左邊。

And one they don't like, they put in the rubbish.

不喜歡的點子，就丟進垃圾桶。

And after three months they all want to present me good ideas.

三個月後，他們都想給我看很棒的主意。

I'm totally not interested in good ideas.

I just took rubbish can and we look into rubbish can and every single idea was incredible.

我只是拿起了垃圾桶，我們看著垃圾桶，每一個主意都令人難以置信。

So we realized that once the ones you reject, the ones you don't want to Deal with them.

所以我們意識到，一旦你拒絕了那些，那些你不想處理的東西。

But it's an interesting thing also how you know when somebody which media you should use.

但這也是一件有趣的事，你知道該如何選擇適合的媒介。

Because you know you may be born painter and if you want to do performance doesn't work or you a sculptor.

因為你知道，你可能天生是個畫家，但如果你想做表演藝術，那可能行不通，或是你是個雕塑家。

So you have to know what media actually what tool is best for your expression.

所以你必須知道哪種媒介，哪個工具最適合你的表達方式。

So for me to recognize a good performance artist is really simple.

對我來說，辨識一個好的表演藝術家其實很簡單。

He can perform, idea can be totally shit, the execution can be wrong.

他可以表演，想法可能糟透了，執行也可能錯了。

But it's just the way how he stand and that's it in the space, how he occupied physically the space.

但就只是他站著的方式，以及他在空間中的樣子，他如何實際佔據了空間。

And what that standing does to everybody else.

以及那個站姿對其他人造成的影響。

Looking at person, that kind of charisma, it really makes the difference.

看著一個人，那種魅力，真的能決定一切。

It's a certain energy you can recognize right away.

那是一種你立刻就能辨識出來、特定的能量。

And you can learn later on how to execute things, ideas and all the rest.

後來你還可以學習如何執行事情、想法等等。

But it's about energy that you cannot learn, that you have to have it.

但這種能量是學不來的，你必須擁有它。

It's something that is just there when you're born.

One of the lecturer of Bob Wilson, when I was doing the theater piece with him, he was saying to the actors and to me, he said, when you're standing in one place and you're thinking to the next movement, you're already not present.

Bob Wilson 的一位講師，當時我跟他一起做戲劇作品，他對演員和我說，他說，當你站在一個地方，想著下一個動作時，你已經不在當下了。

So this incredibly important lesson that when you stand standing in one place, you can't think of the next step.

所以這個非常重要的課題是，當你站在一個地方時，不能去想下一步。

The next step have to come with your body and mind together.

下一步必須是你的身體和心靈一起產生的。

Otherwise you are actually missing that moment of presence.

否則你就錯過了當下的那一刻。

So it's hard thing to do, but it's quite important.

所以這件事很難做到，但非常重要。

There are lots of exercises you can do to reach that presence.

有很多練習可以幫助你達到那種當下。

So let me learn you how to doing the vaja.

所以，我來教大家如何做「Vajra」。

The vajra is something we drink every day, but not consciously.

「Vajra」是我們每天都會喝的東西，但我們沒有意識到。

It's not my choice, but that's what it is.

這不是我的選擇，但事實就是如此。

And what you have to do is hold the glass in your hand and close your eyes and just feel it.

你所要做的就是把杯子拿在手裡，閉上眼睛，去感受它。

The coldness and wetness of the glass itself.