Name: 扎卡里亞：加薩協議中的「百萬美元問題」是什麼？ (Fareed Zakaria says this is the 'million-dollar question' in Gaza deal)
Uploaded: 2025-12-26T16:59:35.000Z
Duration: 5 min 20 s

President Trump announced that Israel and Hamas have signed off on the first phase of a peace plan that will release all the hostages held by Hamas and lead to Israel withdrawing its troops to an agreed upon line in Gaza, part of the first steps toward what he calls a strong, durable and everlasting peace.

President Trump 宣佈，以色列和哈瑪斯已經簽署了和平計劃的第一階段，該計劃將釋放哈瑪斯扣押的所有人質，並導致以色列將部隊撤退到加薩的既定線，這是他所謂的強大、持久且永恆和平的第一步。

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A source in Israel now says the hostages are expected to be released on Saturday or Sunday.

以色列的一位消息人士現在表示，人質預計將於週六或週日獲釋。

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Others have said perhaps Monday, although that could be sped up.

其他人則說可能是週一，不過這可能會加快。

I want to talk about these extraordinary developments with Fareed Zakaria, host of Fareed Zakaria GPS no free there's obviously still a lot we don't know about the contours of this deal, but

我想和 Fareed Zakaria GPS 的主持人 Fareed Zakaria 談談這些非凡的發展，顯然我們對這項協議的細節還有很多不知道的地方，但是

哦，我認為這是非常重要的一天。

And you're right that we don't know enough about the contours of the deal.

你說得對，我們對這項協議的細節還不夠瞭解。

The most important part, as Brett McGurk pointed out, is that Hamas seems to have agreed to release all the hostages in the first phase.

最重要的一點，正如 Brett McGurk 所指出的，是哈瑪斯似乎同意在第一階段釋放所有人質。

They had never been willing to do that before, and

他們以前從來沒有願意這麼做過，而且

that is a game changer because Hamas loses all its leverage once the hostages are released.

這是一個 game changer，因為一旦人質獲釋，哈瑪斯就失去了所有的籌碼。

Israel is vastly superior to them in every military capacity.

以色列在軍事能力上遠遠優於他們。

And the fact that they're willing to give up the hostages means they recognize this is the end for them.

而且他們願意交出人質，這意味著他們承認這對他們來說是結束了。

What do you think of President Trump highlighting former British Prime Minister Tony Blair as someone who could have a key role in post war Gaza?

你認為 President Trump 點名英國前首相 Tony Blair，認為他能在戰後加薩扮演關鍵角色，這怎麼樣？

Well, look, I think Blair has worked very hard to earn the trust of almost all the players in the region.

嗯，你看，我認為 Blair 非常努力地贏得了該地區幾乎所有參與者的信任。

I mean, he won three elections and was a, you know, was a very successful prime minister in Britain.

我是說，他贏了三次選舉，而且是，你知道的，在英國是一位非常成功的首相。

So I suspect that that's, that that might well happen and it would be a very good idea if it did.

所以我懷疑這，這很有可能發生，而且如果發生了，那將是一個非常好的主意。

Look, Gaza is going to need all the help it can get.

你看，加薩將需要所有能得到的幫助。

It's going to need tens of billions of dollars from the Gulf states.

它需要海灣國家數百億美元的援助。

It's going to need help from the European Union.

It's going to need help from the United States, who, you know, how many figures are there in the world who are trusted and respected by all the people, all the groups I mentioned.

它需要美國的幫助，你知道，世界上有多少人能贏得我剛才提到的所有人和所有組織的信任和尊重。

Blair's in some ways unique in that respect.

布萊爾在這方面可說是獨一無二的。

So I think it's a very good idea to enlist him.

所以我認為讓他參與進來是個非常好的主意。

I mean, it's an organization which has, you know, spent a lot of money building tunnels for years.

我的意思是，這是一個組織，你知道，花了這麼多年花了很多錢在蓋道地。

Not bomb shelters for, for, for people there, for its citizens.

不是為那裡的人民、為它的公民蓋防空洞。

They took Power from the Palestinian Authority.

他們從巴勒斯坦自治政府手中奪走了權力。

Look, I think Hamas is basically destroyed.

聽著，我認為哈瑪斯基本上已經被摧毀了。

You know, think about this has been two years of just massive, massive destruction of their military capacity, of their leadership.

你知道，想想看，這兩年來他們的軍事能力、他們的領導層遭受了巨大的、巨大的破壞。

The last effort the Israelis made to bomb Hamas, quote unquote, leadership in Doha, it seems like they basically, you know, they basically killed a bunch of admin people because there's nobody left.

上次以色列試圖轟炸哈瑪斯在杜哈的領導層，結果似乎他們殺死了一群行政人員，因為已經沒有人了。

So look, there's always going to be some part of the Palestinian population that believes in armed resistance to Israel's occupation.

聽著，總會有部分巴勒斯坦民眾相信武裝抵抗以色列的佔領。

There will be people, there will be small militia, saw small bands.

會有人，會有小型的民兵，看到小團體。

他們可能會自稱為哈瑪斯，但是

Hamas in the sense of the entity that ruled the Gaza Strip, that has been a, you know, a full formed militia with all the tunnels, with all the training, I think that's gone.

哈瑪斯，就如同統治加薩走廊的那個實體，那個擁有所有道地、所有訓練的完整軍隊，我認為那已經消失了。

You know, there will be remnants of it scattered around, but

你知道，會有殘餘勢力散佈在各地，但

I don't think there's much of that left anymore.

What do you see as the ruling structure for Gaza?

你認為加薩的統治結構會是什麼？

I don't know if it would extend to the Palestinian, you know, Palestinian Authority territory.

我不知道這是否會延伸到巴勒斯坦，你知道，巴勒斯坦權力機構的領土。

That's the million dollar question, Anderson.

這就是那個百萬美元的問題，安德森。

And that might be a stumbling block because look, the Israelis have been willing to agree to this idea of a Palestinian technocracy, technocrats, as long as they're not affiliated with Hamas and they're not affiliated with the Palestinian Authority.

這可能會成為一個絆腳石，因為你看，以色列人一直願意同意這個巴勒斯坦技術官僚、技術官僚的想法，只要他們不與哈瑪斯有關聯，也不與巴勒斯坦權力機構有關聯。

Because that, you know, that gets to a problem in the Israeli coalition, which is Netanyahu cannot allow the Palestinian Authority to have more sway and more authority because that suggests an entity that might then become a Palestinian state.

因為這，你知道，這就牽涉到以色列聯盟的一個問題，那就是納坦雅胡不能讓巴勒斯坦權力機構擁有更大的影響力和更大的權力，因為這暗示著一個可能隨後成為巴勒斯坦國的實體。

And that would of course mean the extreme right wing members of his government would have huge problems with that.

這當然會讓他的政府中的極右翼成員對此有很大的問題。

So it has to be non Hamas, non Palestinian Authority, Palestinian technocrats.

所以必須是非哈瑪斯、非巴勒斯坦權力機構、巴勒斯坦技術官僚。

Now, good luck finding those people who are completely unaffiliated, have had no prior association with Hamas or the Palestinian Authority.

現在，祝你好運，去找那些完全沒有關聯、過去沒有與哈瑪斯或巴勒斯坦權力機構有任何關聯的人。

I'm sure some exist and they'll be working hard.

我確定有些人選，而且他們會努力尋找。

And my guess is they won't apply the litmus test too strongly.

我猜他們不會對這個標準太過嚴苛。

I mean, if somebody once had some role in the pa, for example, I would hope that would not disqualify him or her.

我的意思是，如果有人曾經在巴勒斯坦權力機構任職，我希望這不會讓他或她失去資格。

But that is going to be the challenge because the Arab states are willing to support a Palestinian technocracy, they're not willing to go and govern Gaza themselves.

但這將會是個挑戰，因為阿拉伯國家願意支持巴勒斯坦技術官僚，但他們不願意自己去管理加薩。

They don't want to be in the business of shooting Palestinians who are rebelling or jailing Palestinians.

他們不想介入射殺反抗的巴勒斯坦人或監禁巴勒斯坦人的事務。

So it is essential that there be Palestinians governing.

所以，由巴勒斯坦人來治理至關重要。

And who those people are is going to be a bit of a stumbling block.

而這些人是誰，將會是個絆腳石。