Name: 北約外長會登場！美國務卿蓬佩奧缺席？| DW 新聞 (NATO foreign Ministers meet - without US FM Rubio | DW News)
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NATO foreign ministers have arrived in Brussels to discuss the future of Ukraine amid widespread unease among allies over a U S backed peace plan.

北約外長們已抵達布魯塞爾，討論烏克蘭的未來，盟友們對美國支持的和平計畫感到普遍不安。

基礎被動語態

The talks are expected to center on the plan which European and Ukrainian officials have spent the past two weeks rewriting.

預計這次會談將圍繞該計畫展開，歐洲和烏克蘭官員在過去兩週一直在重寫這份計畫。

情態副詞

European leaders insist that only Ukraine can decide on its own territory while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says security guarantees and preserving sovereignty are top priorities.

歐洲領導人堅持認為，只有烏克蘭才能決定自己的領土，而烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基表示，安全保障和維護主權是首要任務。

Terry Scholz is at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

泰瑞·蕭茲在布魯塞爾的北約總部。

So this meeting is being overshadowed by the US Led peace talks.

所以這次會議被美國主導的和平談判所影響。

What can we expect from today's discussion on the peace plan?

我們今天能從關於和平計畫的討論中期待些什麼？

Well sir, I wouldn't necessarily say that it's overshadowed, but

嗯，先生，我不會一定說它被影響，但

it certainly is dominated by this peace plan because when Naito allies get together, what they normally talk about is how to both support Ukraine and how to reinforce their own defenses.

它肯定被這份和平計畫所主導，因為當北約盟友聚在一起時，他們通常會談論如何同時支持烏克蘭以及如何加強自身防禦。

So of course whatever happens in this peace process, if something good does come out of it, it will greatly affect what their plans are.

所以當然，無論在這個和平進程中發生什麼，如果它能帶來一些好結果，那將極大地影響他們的計畫。

So at the moment, as we've just seen, foreign ministers arrived, every one of them talked about what was happening in Moscow and I think they're genuinely grateful that the Trump administration is trying to come up with a solution in Ukraine.

所以目前，正如我們剛才看到的，外長們抵達了，他們每個人都談到了莫斯科發生的事情，我認為他們真的很高興川普政府正在努力為烏克蘭想出一個解決方案。

At the same time they're very worried about the fact that there are no Europeans at the table, that they're not exactly sure what was on the paper that US envoy Steve Witkoff would have been discussing with the Russians.

同時，他們也很擔心沒有歐洲人在場，而且他們也不太確定美國特使史蒂夫·維特科夫（Steve Witkoff）會與俄羅斯討論的內容。

Certainly they have been reassured by their American allies that, that this initial, the initial 28 point plan which was so overwhelmingly favorable to Moscow has been changed.

當然，他們的美國盟友已經向他們保證，那份最初、最初的 28 點計畫，對莫斯科極為有利的計畫已經被修改了。

That some of the, the measures that would have for example taken Naito's membership off the table forever for Ukraine or that would have given more territory than Russia is even occupying.

其中一些措施，例如將烏克蘭永遠排除在北約成員資格之外，或者將給予比俄羅斯佔領的更多的領土。

Those things are hoped not to any longer be on that paper.

希望這些內容不再出現在那份文件中。

But they won't have the briefing that they might have liked because Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State will not be attending the talks.

但他們無法獲得他們可能想要的簡報，因為美國國務卿馬可·魯比歐（Marco Rubio）不會出席會談。

Mark Russell, the NATO Secretary General is calling on members to pledge more military support from Ukraine.

北約祕書長馬克·羅素（Mark Russell）呼籲成員國向烏克蘭提供更多軍事支援。

We've just seen pledges come through from the Germans and the Norwegians.

我們剛看到德國和挪威做出了承諾。

Can, can you walk us through that and whether those pledges are seen as significant as enough.

您能為我們詳細說明一下嗎？這些承諾是否被認為是重要的、足夠的？

When Mark Ruta entered this morning, he said that next year even more money will be needed for Ukraine, which is not surprising, but

馬克·羅素今天早上進來時說，明年還需要更多資金給烏克蘭，這並不令人意外，但是

it certainly means that they don't believe the war is ending anytime soon.

這確實意味著他們不認為戰爭很快會結束。

Now what Germany and Poland, Norway announced this morning was a new package which are called Pearl, that prioritized Ukraine requirement list.

德國、波蘭和挪威今天早上宣佈了一個新的包裹，叫做「珍珠」，優先考慮烏克蘭的需求清單。

This was a deal that was worked out where European allies buy highly sophisticated, the best weapons you can get from the United States.

這是一項協議，歐洲盟友從美國購買最先進、最好的武器。

The US has basically cut off all of its donations to Ukraine, its contributions, and

美國基本上已經停止了對烏克蘭的所有捐贈和貢獻，

So this was a new package of $500 million.

所以這是一筆 5 億美元的新包裹。

There are several of these packages that other countries have joined together.

還有好幾個這類型的包裹，由其他國家一起加入。

Some countries have given them themselves.

And what NATO was hoping was that by the end of year, that there will be $5 billion worth of these pearl packages.

而北約原本希望，到年底時，會有價值 50 億美元的這類包裹。

And Secretary Ruda said, next year, you may need even, even double that.

而魯達部長說，明年，你們可能需要更多，甚至翻倍。

You may need one of, you know, two of these a month.

你們每個月可能就需要一到兩個這樣的包裹。

So that's certainly something that they're looking, looking to get support from the allies on.

所以這絕對是他們正在尋求盟友支持的項目。

But this will certainly be welcomed, this new contribution by Germany, Poland and Norway.

但這項德國、波蘭和挪威的新貢獻，肯定會受到歡迎。

Well, as you've heard Yuri and Nick talking about, of course, you have these new threats from Putin that came after the talks in Moscow, that he's ready to go to war with Europe.

嗯，正如你聽尤里和尼克談到的，當然，普丁在莫斯科會談後發出了新的威脅，說他準備好與歐洲開戰。

Now, the foreign ministers coming in today said, you know, what's new?

現在，今天來的各位外交部長說，你們知道，有什麼新消息嗎？

We hear this from, from Putin all the time.

And basically this is what we're preparing for every single day.

這基本上就是我們每天都在為之準備的。

So nobody seems very rattled by those new remarks.

所以似乎沒有人對這些新的言論感到驚慌。

They are, however, talking about how to boost their defenses against the hybrid attacks that allies are coming under constantly.

不過，他們正在討論如何加強自身防禦，以應對盟友不斷遭受的混合攻擊。

Poland, of course, an attack on a rail line.

波蘭當然，攻擊了一條鐵路線。

That's one of the countries that is very insistent that Naito talk about a more robust response.

這就是其中一個國家，他們非常堅持北約要討論一個更強力的回應。

They are even talking about preemptive attacks, not just defensive attacks.

他們甚至在談論先發制人的攻擊，而不僅僅是防禦性的攻擊。

Now, NATO doesn't do that as a whole during peacetime, but

現在，北約在和平時期不會整體這樣做，但是

they certainly could signal to allies that they wouldn't be, they wouldn't be against more, I would just say signaling to Russia that these hybrid attacks will not go unchallenged through cyber or other attacks on infrastructure that may not even be visible to us.

他們當然可以向盟友發出信號，表示他們不會反對更多，我只想說，向俄羅斯發出信號，這些混合攻擊不會在沒有挑戰的情況下得逞，無論是透過網路攻擊還是其他基礎設施攻擊，這些攻擊甚至可能對我們來說是看不見的。

昨天我們聽到了北約官員的消息。

Terry Schultz at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

在布魯塞爾的北約總部，Terry Schultz。