Name: 歐盟國防部長們開會討論對基輔的軍事援助 | DW 新聞 (EU defense ministers meet to discuss military support for Kyiv | DW News)
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Now, while negotiations to end the war gather pace, Ukrainians are still being killed on a daily basis.

儘管結束戰爭的談判正在加速進行，烏克蘭人仍每天都在喪生。

Many still oppose giving in to Russia's demands.

許多人仍然反對屈服於俄羅斯的 demands。

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Our special correspondent Maria Muller, who we just heard from, and

我們的特派記者 Maria Muller，我們剛才聽她說話，

her team met with Kyiv residents who survived a missile strike.

她的團隊採訪了躲過飛彈襲擊的基輔居民。

7:00am we get a call from emergency services.

早上七點，我們接到緊急服務的電話。

A missile hit an apartment building in Kyiv's Darnitsky district.

一枚飛彈擊中基輔達尼茨基區的一棟公寓大樓。

Fire crews are fighting the flames, tearing through homes people were sleeping in.

消防隊正在撲滅火焰，火焰吞噬了人們原本熟睡的家園。

Just minutes ago, about 100 meters away on this street, a man was walking past when the missile, intercepted by Ukrainian air defenses, struck.

就在幾分鐘前，在這條街上約一百公尺處，一名男子走過時，被烏克蘭防空系統攔截下來的飛彈擊中。

This is where the long range cruise missile, as we were told, hit the ground.

這就是我們被告知的，長程巡弋飛彈擊中地面的地方。

You can still see some parts smoking there.

那裡還可以看到一些冒煙的地方。

And this is where it bounced off and hit the apartment building in the back, where it caused fire in several apartments.

這就是它彈開並擊中後方那棟公寓大樓的地方，在那裡引發了幾間公寓的火災。

They're taking it away for further inspection.

Elia was asleep in his apartment when the explosion shattered his window.

伊利亞當時正在公寓裡睡覺，爆炸震碎了他的窗戶。

I saw flames right in front of me, flying fragments.

我看到了眼前的火焰，還有飛散的碎片。

鮮血立刻從我的臉上流了下來。

Jana tells us she and her mother live on the ninth floor and barely made it out in time.

雅娜告訴我們，她和她母親住在九樓，差一點就來不及逃出來了。

My mother is 75 years old and could barely hold on.

我媽媽七十五歲了，她差點撐不住。

If they had taken another minute or two, that would have been it.

如果再多花一兩分鐘，就來不及了。

Like others here, she's worried about a neighbour she hasn't been able to find.

跟這裡的其他人一樣，她擔心一位她還沒找到的鄰居。

The fire was literally creeping up on him and very scary.

火勢真的慢慢地朝他逼近，非常可怕。

Straight into the smoke that burns our lungs.

直接吸入灼傷我們肺部的濃煙。

Still a lot of smoke, so it's really hard to breathe.

煙還是很大，所以真的好難呼吸。

This was the living room, the kitchen, everything is completely destroyed.

這裡原本是客廳、廚房，所有東西都毀了。

They extinguished the fire just a few minutes ago.

他們大概幾分鐘前才把火撲滅。

I'm already an old person and I want to spend my remaining years in retirement peacefully.

我已經是老人了，餘生只想安安穩穩地退休。

The next door neighbor, Mykola, has come to check his home.

隔壁的鄰居 Mykola 回來檢查他的家。

It too is filled with smoke, but at least it isn't damaged.

他家也充滿了煙，但至少沒有被破壞。

Usually the shelling starts between 3 and 5am they deprived me of my joy.

通常砲擊會在凌晨三點到五點開始，他們剝奪了我所有的快樂。

He's been following the news from far off places where others make decisions about his life.

他從遙遠的地方關注著新聞，那裡有人替他的人生做決定。

我們在川普這件事上很不走運。

People here won't surrender because to whom and where?

這裡的人們不會投降，因為要向誰投降？往哪裡投降？

Victoria still can't grasp what happened.

維多利亞還是無法理解發生了什麼事。

Even though she sees this on the news every day, she says it's hard to believe it struck her own home.

儘管她每天都在新聞上看到這些，但她說很難相信這會發生在她自己的家。

Honestly, because of the shock, I don't feel anything right now.

說實話，因為太震驚了，我現在什麼感覺都沒有。

And even though the killing and destruction has entered its fourth year, giving up is simply not an option for people here.

儘管這場殺戮與破壞已經進入第四年，但這裡的人們絕對不能放棄。

I believe we must negotiate until all of Ukraine's conditions are met so that all the lives that were lost in this war are not in vain.

我相信我們必須持續談判，直到烏克蘭的所有條件都獲得滿足，這樣在這場戰爭中失去的所有生命才不會白白犧牲。

Conditions shouldn't be dictated by Russia.

This reflects the sentiment among many Ukrainians.

這反映了許多烏克蘭人的心聲。

If they surrender now, all those sacrifices would have been for nothing.

如果他們現在投降，那麼所有的犧牲都將毫無意義。

Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy has met with his French counterpart, Emmanuel Macron in Paris to shore up European support.

烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基在巴黎會見了法國總統馬克宏，以爭取歐洲的支持。

Macron's office has said the leaders will discuss what it called the conditions of a just and durable peace.

馬克宏辦公室表示，兩國領導人將討論他們所謂的公正持久和平的條件。

Meanwhile, European Union defence ministers have gathered in Brussels to discuss military support for Kyiv.

同時，歐洲聯盟國防部長們齊聚布魯塞爾，討論對基輔的軍事支援。

Also on the agenda is European defence readiness in the face of increasing airspace violations and drone sightings.

會議議程還包括歐洲面對日益增加的侵犯領空和無人機目擊事件的國防準備。

Today we meet with the defence ministers of the European Union, and we have.

今天我們將與歐洲聯盟的國防部長們會面，我們已經。

All right, let's bring in our DW correspondents, Terry Schultz in Brussels and Lisa Louis in Paris.

好的，我們來連線我們的DW特派記者，在布魯塞爾的Terry Schultz和在巴黎的Lisa Louis。

Europeans under pressure again to find a way to be relevant in the peace process, it seems.

歐洲國家似乎又面臨壓力，要找到在和平進程中發揮作用的方法。

Europeans have once again found themselves completely sidelined in discussions about the future of Ukraine when it comes to negotiating with Russia.

在與俄羅斯談判烏克蘭的未來時，歐洲國家再次發現自己完全被排除在外。

Those talks, as you mentioned, in the United States now US envoys going to Moscow.

正如你所提到的，那些談判現在正在美國進行，美國特使將前往莫斯科。

So while the agenda here today is officially about the Europeans discussing their support for Ukraine and their own preparedness for potential Russian aggression in the future.

所以，雖然今天的議程正式是關於歐洲國家討論他們對烏克蘭的支持以及他們自身為應對未來俄羅斯的侵略所做的準備。

Of course, here as ministers arrived, so many of the questions were about these negotiations with Russia and with Ukraine, asking whether the Europeans felt that the Americans were taking their concerns into account.

當然，在這裡，隨著部長們的到來，許多問題都圍繞著與俄羅斯和烏克蘭的這些談判，詢問歐洲國家是否覺得美國有考慮到他們的關切。

I asked the Dutch Defense Minister, Reuben Brecklemanns directly when he said that they were coordinating with the Americans, whether he felt that European concerns were being taken seriously by the United States.

我直接問了荷蘭國防部長 Reuben Brecklemanns，當他說他們正與美國協調時，他是否覺得歐洲的關切被美國認真看待。

And he simply said, all I can say is that we're coordinating.

他只說，我只能說我們正在協調。

So I don't think Europeans feel that they do, that they do have a lot of influence on this process.

所以，我不認為歐洲人覺得他們，覺得他們在這個過程中有很多影響力。

Lisa, to you in Paris this is Zelensky's second visit within two weeks with the aim to move negotiations forward.

Lisa，巴黎這邊，這是澤倫斯基兩週內第二次訪問，目的是推動談判。

Remind us, what role does France play here?

請提醒我們，法國在這裡扮演什麼角色？

Well, Emma Macron has been at the forefront of a European show of support.

嗯，馬克宏總統一直站在歐洲聲援烏克蘭的最前線。

And despite I, you know, although I agree with Terry that the leverage that Europe has is somehow limited, still, the Europeans are trying to show that they stand united with Ukraine.

雖然我同意 Terry 的看法，歐洲的影響力確實有限，但歐洲國家仍在努力展現他們與烏克蘭團結一致。

Ukraine that has long since turned into Europe's front line in this war, especially as a number of European countries have been facing so called hybrid attacks, airspace violations, incidents with drones, but

烏克蘭早已成為歐洲在這場戰爭的前線，特別是過去幾個月和幾年來，許多歐洲國家都面臨所謂的混合攻擊、侵犯領空、無人機事件，

also also cyber attacks over the past few months and years.

And in reaction to that, a number of countries have also been gearing up on their military service, their defense industry.

作為對此的回應，許多國家也紛紛加強了他們的軍事服務和國防工業。

A dozen European countries now have some form of military service in place.

目前已有十幾個歐洲國家實施某種形式的兵役。

France last week reinstalled a so called voluntary military service aimed at gearing up its defence force and its reserve military reserve by up to tens of thousands of people over the coming years.

法國上週重新實施了所謂的志願兵役，目標是在未來幾年內為其國防軍和預備役部隊增加數萬人。

You raised the specter of France having a bit of a limited leverage here, Lisa.

Lisa，你提到了法國在這裡的影響力似乎有些有限。

France, though, wants a central role in delivering security guarantees to Ukraine.

不過，法國希望在向烏克蘭提供安全保障方面扮演核心角色。

Well, absolutely, they're still trying to have some influence in the talks that are largely happening between the US and Moscow and obviously also between Ukraine.

是的，他們當然還在努力影響主要由美國與莫斯科，以及烏克蘭之間進行的談判。

We understand that the plan is that is now on the table has at least somehow been watered down in the sense that initially it said that there should be no NATO troops stationed ever in Ukraine.

我們瞭解到，目前檯面上提出的計畫，至少在某種程度上被淡化了，原本的計畫是說北約部隊永遠不應駐紮在烏克蘭。

And now it seems to be saying that there should be no Western troops permanently stationed in Ukraine.

而現在的說法似乎是，西方部隊不應永久駐紮在烏克蘭。

Meanwhile, as you said, France has been part of the so called coalition of the willing that has come up with a plan to send about tens of thousands of soldiers to Ukraine that would be stationed there, not on the front line, but

同時，正如你所說，法國也加入了所謂的「意願聯盟」，該聯盟提出了一項計畫，要向烏克蘭派遣數萬名阿兵哥，他們將駐紮在那裡，但不在前線，