Name: 德國默茨：美國「和平計畫」需要烏克蘭同意 | DW 新聞 (Germany's Merz: US 'peace plan' needs Ukraine agreement | DW News)
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Western leaders say that further work is needed on the U.S.

russia negotiated proposal to end the war in Ukraine.

俄羅斯的戰爭解決提議還需要進一步討論。

president Donald Trump announced he's giving Ukraine until next Thursday to accept a 28 point proposal that largely favors Russia.

總統唐納·川普宣佈，他給烏克蘭到下週四的時間，來接受這項主要偏向俄羅斯的 28 點提議。

The White House has reportedly threatened to withdraw American support for Ukraine if the deadline is not met.

據報導，白宮已威脅，如果烏克蘭未能在期限內達成協議，將撤回對烏克蘭的支持。

Kyiv will hold consultations in Switzerland with the US And Germany, Britain and France.

基輔將在瑞士與美國、德國、英國和法國進行協商。

The news of the US Russian peace plan is overshadowing the G20 leaders summit which is getting underway in South Africa.

美俄和平計劃的消息，已經蓋過了正在南非展開的 G20 領袖峰會。

The first G20 gathering in Africa was meant to discuss helping poor nations.

在非洲舉行的首次 G20 會議，原本是要討論如何幫助貧窮國家。

But the U.S. proposal on Ukraine blindsided EU leaders in attendance.

但美國提出的烏克蘭計劃，讓與會的歐盟領袖措手不及。

They've been scrambling to respond and hold emergency talks on the sidelines of the summit.

他們一直在緊急回應，並在峰會的間隙舉行緊急會談。

Gathered here earlier, German Chancellor Friedrich Metz had this to say.

德國總理弗里德里希·梅茨稍早在此表示。

I want to make it very clear that the war can only end if Ukraine gives its unqualified agreement.

我想非常清楚地說，戰爭只有在烏克蘭無條件同意的情況下才能結束。

Wars can't be ended by the big powers acting over the heads of the countries involved.

戰爭不能由大國在當事國頭上做決定來結束。

The war can only end with the consent of Ukraine and of Europe as it's a war being fought on the continent of European continent.

戰爭只能在烏克蘭和歐洲同意的情況下結束，因為這是一場在歐洲大陸上進行的戰爭。

DW chief political editor Michaela Kufner is in Johannesburg traveling with German Chancellor Meltz and is at the G20 summit, I believe.

德國之聲首席政治編輯米夏埃拉·庫夫納正在約翰尼斯堡，隨同德國總理梅茨一同前往，我相信她現在就在 G20 峰會現場。

Michael, what else did the German Chancellor have to say?

麥可，德國總理還有說什麼嗎？

Well, first of all, that's sentence that we just heard.

嗯，首先，就是我們剛才聽到的那句話。

I was standing just a few meters next to him when he was saying that.

他當時說這句話的時候，我離他只有幾公尺遠。

I was wondering whether that will actually age.

我當時在想，這句話會不會真的經得起時間的考驗。

Well, he has made some diplomatic success because he was the European leader who got Donald Trump on the phone just before he stepped on that plane on Friday evening.

嗯，他取得了一些外交上的成功，因為他是歐洲領袖中，在週五晚上登上飛機前，剛好打電話給唐納·川普的人。

And he did get Donald Trump to agree to actually negotiate these 28 points, which his Trump's adviser Witkoff says is a plan Marco Rubio called more of a collection of ideas.

而且他確實讓唐納·川普同意協商這28項條款，唐納·川普的顧問威特科夫說，這是馬可·盧比歐稱之為「點子大集合」的計畫。

And that's where the Europeans saw a bit of room for manoeuvre.

這也是歐洲國家看到一些餘地的部分。

And it looks like Donald Trump has granted that he is sending advisers, it's not quite clear whom to Geneva.

看起來唐納·川普已經同意派遣顧問前往日內瓦，但具體是誰還不太清楚。

The German chancellor sent back his top foreign policy adviser and European advisers will be at the table as well.

德國總理派出了他的首席外交顧問，歐洲的顧問們也會在場。

當然還有弗拉迪米爾·澤倫斯基。

they had a side meeting here this afternoon in Johannesburg when really they were supposed to talk about sustainability and growing debt in Africa and other areas of the world.

他們今天下午在約翰尼斯堡有個場邊會議，原本他們應該討論的是永續發展和非洲及世界其他地區日益增長的債務問題。

They had this emergency meeting looking at the 28 point plan.

他們召開了緊急會議，審視這28項條款的計畫。

They've communicated back to Donald Trump where they want to see changes.

他們已經回覆唐納·川普，說明他們希望看到哪些改變。

And the key issue is of course how this all came about.

而關鍵問題當然是如何促成這一切。

That is over the head of Ukraine and also over the head of, of the Europeans who had absolutely no say in this document initially being drafted.

這完全超出了烏克蘭的掌控，也超出了歐洲國家原本在起草這份文件時根本沒有發言權的範疇。

So now we're seeing the Europeans try and push this in a different direction, and

所以現在我們看到歐洲國家試圖將其導向另一個方向，

it's still very open indeed whether they will succeed and whether this will actually produce a document that will be signed in some shape or form this coming Thursday.

而這是否能成功，以及這是否真的能產生一份在本週四以某種形式簽署的文件，目前仍非常不確定。

Michelle, can you tell us more about what Europe would hope to get out of this current plan?

Michelle，妳能多告訴我們一些歐洲希望從目前的計畫中獲得什麼嗎？

Well, they literally need to get some passages canceled out of that.

嗯，他們真的需要取消其中的一些段落。

And the Europeans simply cannot live with the fact that Ukraine now is supposed to surrender territory, large parts of territory, that there are limitations on NATO membership they can potentially live with.

歐洲國家實在無法接受烏克蘭現在 supposed to 割讓領土，大片的領土，他們或許能接受對北約成員資格的限制，

But that the United States position themselves in one of those paragraphs saying that they will be a go between, between NATO and Russia that points to a further withdrawal of the United States.

但美國卻在其中一個段落中表明，他們將成為北約和俄羅斯之間的調解者，這意味著美國將進一步撤退。

That would mean that Europe is home alone.

If the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, doesn't stick to any kind of security guarantees, there's a, this is not a historic first.

如果俄羅斯總統 Vladimir Putin 不遵守任何安全保證，這並非史無前例。

Ukraine surrendered its new nuclear weapons initially in exchange for security guarantees which were then broken by Russia.

烏克蘭最初放棄了其新的核武器，以換取安全保證，但這些保證後來被俄羅斯打破了。

An expectation on the side of the Europeans is that the United States would also offer a completely different level of security guarantees in there.

歐洲方面期望美國也能在那裡提供一個完全不同層級的安全保證。

It's a conscious decision not to leak this, not to let anything seep out, because there's a strong feeling that there's an urgent need for some room for maneuver for those Geneva talks and for the days and hours ahead.

這是刻意不外洩、不讓任何消息走漏的決定，因為大家強烈感覺到，為了日內瓦會談以及接下來的日子和時辰，迫切需要一些迴旋空間。

Chief Political Editor Michelle Kufner in Johannesburg.

約翰尼斯堡的首席政治編輯米夏埃拉·庫夫納。

好的，現在讓我們來做一些分析。

He is an adjunct senior fellow at the think tank.

蘭德，很高興你在 DW 新聞節目上。

So based on what we know of the 28 point US peace plan, how would you characterize Washington's objectives here?

根據我們對美國28點和平計劃的瞭解，您會如何形容華盛頓在這裡的目標？

It seems that the US Negotiators have accepted Russia's position on virtually every point.

看來美國談判代表在幾乎所有問題上都接受了俄羅斯的立場。

Even the Kremlin has been circumspect today in how it characterizes the plan.

就連克里姆林宮今天在描述這項計劃時也顯得小心翼翼。

For example, the Kremlin spokesman, Peskov said, well, there have not been consultations, only contacts.

例如，克里姆林宮發言人佩斯科夫說，嗯，沒有進行磋商，只有接觸。

This may suggest that the Kremlin realizes this plan is a non starter.

這可能意味著克里姆林宮意識到這項計劃根本行不通。

It has no hope whatsoever of being successful.

Are the primary motives here then or Washington's primary motives here?

那麼，華盛頓在這裡的主要動機是什麼？

Certainly President Trump wants to bring an end to the fighting and that's, that's a noble, a noble goal.

唐納·川普總統當然希望結束戰鬥，這是一個崇高、崇高的目標。

But in both cases, The Russians with Kirill Dmitriev and the White House with Steve Witkoff are negotiators who do not have much background with regard to the Ukraine situation.

不過，在這兩種情況下，俄羅斯方面的基裡爾·德米特里耶夫和白宮方面的史蒂夫·威特科夫，他們在烏克蘭局勢方面的談判經驗都不多。

So this seems to be a plan that was prepared, perhaps hastily, without expert advice.

所以這似乎是一個倉促準備、沒有專家意見的計畫。

And so from the Washington perspective, perhaps the White House was shocked that President Zelensky and three European leaders today issued a statement.

是以，從華盛頓的角度來看，白宮或許對澤倫斯基總統和三位歐洲領袖今天發表聲明感到震驚。

It's clear that Ukraine enjoys the confidence of Europeans and vice versa.

顯然，烏克蘭深受歐洲人的信任，反之亦然。

That's no longer the case between the US And Ukraine.

美國和烏克蘭之間已經不再是這樣了。

All right, well, then how likely is a reduction then, in US Support possible?

好的，那麼，美國的支持減少的可能性有多大？

And how fast could that become operationally dangerous for Ukraine?

這對烏克蘭來說，在操作上可能有多危險？

Well, it's important to remember that now only Europe is providing financial aid and military aid to Ukraine.

嗯，重要的是要記住，現在只有歐洲在向烏克蘭提供財政和軍事援助。

The United States is providing some intelligence for situational awareness and targeting, which is quite valuable for Russia, for Ukraine in attacking distant targets in Russia.

美國提供了一些情報，用於情況感知和目標鎖定，這對烏克蘭在俄羅斯境內攻擊遠距離目標非常有價值。

But otherwise, the United States is only selling arms to Europe, which would then retransfer them to Ukraine.

但除此之外，美國只是賣武器給歐洲，然後歐洲再轉售給烏克蘭。

So Europe has by far the most leverage in this situation.

所以目前歐洲的影響力是最大的。

While it's possible that President Trump could cut off intelligence cooperation, Ukraine enjoys very strong bipartisan support in the United States Senate and the House of Representatives.

雖然川普總統有可能會停止情報合作，但美國參議院和眾議院對烏克蘭都有非常強勁的跨黨派支持。

So I think it's fairly unlikely that the US Would end up cutting off intelligence.

所以我認為美國不太可能會停止情報合作。

All right, well, let's bring in Russia into this conversation.

好的，那麼，我們來談談俄羅斯。

So do you see Russia viewing the US Plan as an incentive to compromise or an opportunity to push for even more concessions?

所以你認為俄羅斯會將美方提出的計畫視為妥協的誘因，還是爭取更多讓步的機會？

Well, right now, because of the circumspect reaction of the Kremlin, the Kremlin may realize that this plan just is not going to work.

嗯，目前因為克里姆林宮的謹慎反應，克里姆林宮可能意識到這個計畫行不通。

And it was negotiated by an amateur Russian negotiator, Kirill Dmitriev.

而且這是由一位業餘的俄羅斯談判代表基裡爾·德米特里耶夫協商的。

So I imagine the Kremlin is now probably trying to figure out an alternative strategy to come up with a more credible negotiating position, because the Ukrainians and the Europeans, they have the leverage, and

所以我想克里姆林宮現在大概正在想辦法制定另一種策略，提出一個更可信的談判立場，因為烏克蘭和歐洲人掌握著籌碼，

Remember, from the Russia standpoint, this has been a stalemate on the battlefield now for a couple of years in Eastern Ukraine.

請記住，從俄羅斯的角度來看，在烏克蘭東部戰場已經僵持了幾年了。

European leaders are in agreement that they don't want a deal forged over Ukraine's head, and

歐洲領袖們都同意，他們不希望在烏克蘭的頭上達成協議，而且

they also want to be part of the conversations and the negotiations of any deal.

他們也希望參與任何協議的對話和談判。

And what's your take on Europe's position there?

I believe Europe is on the right track because, again, it is providing the very substantial financial military aid to Ukraine and also Ukrainians.

我相信歐洲走在正確的道路上，因為，再說一次，它正在為烏克蘭和烏克蘭人民提供非常可觀的財政軍事援助。

I'm sorry, Europeans more and more, of course, realize that Russia's aggression in Ukraine is a direct threat to European security.

抱歉，歐洲人越來越清楚地意識到，俄羅斯在烏克蘭的侵略直接威脅到歐洲的安全。

Europeans didn't maybe realize this quite as much at the very beginning, but they sure do now.

歐洲人一開始可能沒有那麼清楚地意識到這一點，但現在他們確實意識到了。

Europe increasingly is acting as a geopolitical actor and probably going to use that leverage in order to insist that Ukraine be fully supported.

歐洲越來越像一個地緣政治參與者，並且可能會利用這些籌碼來堅持烏克蘭得到全面支持。

But really great to get your analysis, William.

但真的很棒，能聽到你的分析，William。

William Courtney, former U.S. ambassador and adjunct senior fellow, the Think Tank Rant.

William Courtney，前美國大使，智庫 Rant 的資深研究員。