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I'm Jonna Mendez, former CIA officer and a founding board member of the International Spy Museum.

我是喬娜-門德斯（Jonna Mendez），前中情局官員，國際間諜博物館創始董事會成員。

I'm here to answer some questions from Twitter.

我是來回答 Twitter 上的一些問題的。

At SpicyLime415 asks, do spies have anxiety?

SpicyLime415 提問：間諜會焦慮嗎？

You want to make sure you're not setting someone up for a situation because you forgot a detail.

你要確保不會因為忘記一個細節而給別人造成麻煩。

When the anxiety really kicks in, though, is when one of your people is incarcerated, is arrested.

然而，當你的人被監禁、被捕時，焦慮才會真正襲來。

在莫斯科，我一直感到焦慮不安。

In 1985, 10 of our Russian assets were arrested and executed, 10 of them, in a summer.

1985 年，我們的 10 名俄羅斯資產者在一個夏天被捕並被處決，其中 10 人。

That kind of anxiety is built into the job.

There's nothing you can do about it except when you're working, make sure that you absolutely respect the protocols that we have to go through, the level of detail that's required to carry off an operation.

你對此無能為力，只能在工作時，確保絕對尊重我們必須遵守的協議，以及開展行動所需的詳細程度。

At rosemarychalet1 asks, what are CIA handlers?

在 rosemarychalet1 問到，什麼是中情局處理人員？

What you're calling CIA handlers, I'm calling CIA case officers.

你所說的中情局處理人員 我稱之為中情局辦案人員

They get the requirement from the government, we want to know about nuclear program in this country A.

他們從政府那裡得到要求，我們想了解 A 國的核計劃。

They go to country A, they go looking for people who know the information about country A.

他們去 A 國，尋找了解 A 國資訊的人。

Once they meet them, they try and recruit them to work for us, and then we get the information back to our policymakers.

一旦與他們見面，他們就會嘗試招募他們為我們工作，然後我們再將信息反饋給決策者。

At imkjohnston, has anyone seen the movie Argo?

在 imkjohnston，有人看過電影《Argo》嗎？

The story in the movie Argo is really a great demonstration of the kinds of things that CIA may find itself involved in.

電影《阿爾戈》（Argo）中的故事很好地展示了中情局可能會捲入的各種事件。

A rescue of six perfectly innocent American diplomats didn't have anything to do with except that the rescuer happened to be a spy.

六名完全無辜的美國外交官被營救，除了營救者碰巧是一名間諜之外，與此無關。

They used Hollywood as a cover in that instance, a cover organization in LA to cover the operation.

在這種情況下，他們利用好萊塢作為掩護，利用洛杉磯的一個掩護組織來掩護行動。

If anybody called that office and said, do these people work there?

如果有人打電話到辦公室問，這些人在那裡工作嗎？

The six people being rescued were schooled in their cover stories over a period of three days, issued every piece of paper with their new name on it, and they were whisked out of a very, very dangerous situation.

獲救的六人在三天時間裡接受了偽裝故事培訓，拿到了每一張寫有他們新名字的紙，他們被帶離了一個非常、非常危險的環境。

Holton, RVT asks, did you know there's a CIA position titled Chief of Disguise?

霍爾頓，RVT 問，你知道中情局有個職位叫偽裝主任嗎？

I was Deputy Chief of Disguise before that.

在那之前，我是偽裝科副科長。

We always have in the back of our minds, this memo that the person, the foreigner is going to take back to his office and say, oh, I met with this American and everything in his description of the American that he met is going to be wrong.

我們的腦海中總是浮現出這樣的備忘錄：那個人，那個外國人會帶回他的辦公室說，哦，我見過這個美國人，而他對所見美國人的描述都是錯的。

From the hair color, length, is it curly or not?

Does he have a gold chain around his neck?

這是中情局、軍情六處和克格勃、聯邦安全局。

How do they develop soft skills like situational awareness, social engineering, blending in and creating believable cover stories?

他們如何發展軟技能，如態勢感知、社會工程學、混入人群和編造可信的掩護故事？

CIA had a paramilitary capability and decided to more or less step away from it.

中央情報局擁有準軍事能力，並決定或多或少地放棄這種能力。

After 9-11, CIA stepped back up to paramilitary and has embraced it.

9-11 事件後，中央情報局重新走上準軍事化道路，並開始接受準軍事化。

I know they do train in some harder skills, in shooting, in driving, in being in hostile situations.

我知道他們確實在訓練一些更難的技能，如射擊、駕駛和在敵對情況下的行動。

We have a facility where we train people.

The Farm is located south of Washington, D.C.

They actually put on diplomatic events at The Farm and you are an attendee all dressed up.

實際上，他們會在農場舉辦外交活動，而你則是盛裝出席。

And there's someone in that room who has information that you're looking for.

房間裡有人掌握著你要找的資訊。

And part of the training is to see if you can narrow it down to that person by just having conversations.

培訓的一部分就是看你是否能通過對話將範圍縮小到那個人。

At Sigma Theory, ask what makes a good spy?

在西格瑪理論中心，如何才能成為一名優秀的間諜？

What we're recruiting for when we're looking for spies, and we're talking about case officers here, is a charismatic, intelligent, well-educated, well-traveled guy, mostly, but it's more and more women.

我們在招募間諜（這裡指的是辦案人員）時，主要招募的是有魅力、聰明、受過良好教育、遊歷豐富的男性，但女性越來越多。

Someone you'd meet somewhere and you'd instantly want to be the friend.

你會在某個地方遇到一個人，並立刻想成為他的朋友。

There are people like this around the world.

Our job is to find them, because we cannot teach them that.

我們的工作就是找到他們，因為我們無法教會他們。

We can teach them everything else they need to know once we get them on board.

一旦他們加入，我們就可以教他們其他所有需要知道的東西。

But that charisma, they have to bring it in the door with them.

但這種魅力，他們必須帶著它進門。

At Mary, Marciniak asks, no signs of me being followed.

馬西尼亞克問瑪麗，有沒有發現有人跟蹤我。

Seeing someone who looks suspicious once is not such a big deal.

見一次形跡可疑的人並不是什麼大不了的事。

If you see that person again, that's interesting.

如果你再見到那個人，那就有意思了。

But the third time starting to approach confirmation that that person is sticking with you for whatever reason, there were lots of ways around it.

但第三次開始接近確認，那個人無論出於什麼原因都堅持要和你在一起時，就有很多辦法可以繞過去了。

We would go into a place and go out another door.

我們會走進一個地方，然後走出另一扇門。

We would go into a place and come out looking different.

我們走進一個地方，出來時卻面目全非。

We would go into a place and someone looking just like us would come out.

我們走進一個地方，就會有和我們長得一模一樣的人走出來。

You know the whole spy thing of cyanide and a fake tooth where they bite down and poison themselves?

你知道間諜用氰化物和假牙咬住自己毒死自己的那一套嗎？

How often do you think those go off accidentally, like someone is just enjoying a nice hard candy and then, oops, dead?

你覺得這些東西有多少時候會意外爆炸，就像有人正在享受美味的硬糖，然後，哎呀，死了？

In my 27 years, I only knew of two instances where we gave out cyanide.

在我 27 年的職業生涯中，我只知道有兩次我們發放過氰化物。

And I knew where they were because the steel box containing it was in my safe.

我知道它們在哪裡，因為裝它們的鐵盒子就在我的保險箱裡。

The Russians floated stories around that if they caught their people spying for America, they would feed them feet first into a crematorium alive.

俄羅斯人到處散佈謠言，說如果他們抓住了為美國從事間諜活動的人，就會把他們的雙腳活著送進火葬場。

Most people in Russia that spied for us had that in the back of their minds.

在俄羅斯，大多數為我們從事間諜活動的人都有這樣的想法。

And they thought they'd rather take the cyanide themselves than take the chance that the Russians meant that would do it.

他們認為，與其冒著被俄羅斯人發現的危險，不如自己服下氰化物。

我們沒有把它當糖果一樣分發。

And I do know that cyanide really, really works.

I was a photographer when I first joined the CIA.

我剛加入中情局時是一名攝影師。

This pin camera, the camera in the end, inside of the camera is a film cassette.

這臺針式照相機，最後面的照相機，裡面是一個膠片盒。

And inside of the cassette is a little piece of film.

It'd have 100 black dots on it after you develop it.

顯影后，上面會有 100 個黑點。

And each black dot would be an eight and a half by 11 page of information where the paperwork is lying from his last meeting.

每個黑點都是一頁 8.5×11 頁的資料，上面記錄著他上次會議的文件。

We only gave these pins to people that could get right up to the person who was making the policy we were after.

我們只把這些徽章發給那些能夠直接接觸到我們所追求的政策制定者的人。

You had to hold it at a certain distance.

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