Name: 娜塔莎-里歐妮如何塑造她的撲克臉、《新黑橙》和俄羅斯娃娃角色 (How Natasha Lyonne Built Her Poker Face, Orange is the New Black and Russian Doll Characters)
Uploaded: 2025-08-20T18:12:03.000Z
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So it's important to me, now that I'm getting older, to make sure that all my characters could get hip replacements, and it wouldn't matter.

所以，現在我年紀大了，確保我筆下的所有角色都能做髖關節置換手術，這對我來說很重要。

Hello, Harper's Bazaar. I'm Natasha Lyonne, and I'm gonna break down how I brought some of my characters to life.

你好，《時尚芭莎》。我是娜塔莎-里歐妮，下面我將介紹我是如何把一些角色塑造得栩栩如生的。

Hi. What do you want to know a little bit about her story?

Well, gosh, it's hard to remember because it was almost 20 years ago.

天哪，我都記不清了，因為那都是快 20 年前的事了。

She was sort of based on Tamara Jenkins, the writer-director.

她的原型是編劇兼導演塔瑪拉-詹金斯（Tamara Jenkins）。

Slums of Beverly Hills comes from being on the outskirts of the, uh, really good 90210 zip.

比佛利山貧民窟 "位於 "90210 "地區的外圍。

So you could still go to the schools, but you're not living in a mansion, Henny.

所以你還是可以去上學 但你不是住在豪宅裡，亨尼

She was a teenager. I think she's about 15, which I still am.

她還是個少女。我想她大概 15 歲，我現在也是。

Uh, and she's sort of coming of age, growing breasts, getting her first bra.

呃，她正值青春期，胸部開始發育，第一次戴胸罩。

Yeah, it's definitely a sort of quintessential coming-of-age picture.

是啊，這絕對是一部典型的成長電影。

I remember that Tamara sent, uh, a lot of references.

我記得塔瑪拉寄來了很多推薦信。

We ended up with a lot of, like, halters and jean shorts and, you know, those stripy socks with sneakers.

最後，我們穿上了很多露背裝和牛仔短褲，還有那些條紋襪子和運動鞋。

Later, the great Marissa Tomei, who I'm still so close with, is her cousin that moves in, and she teaches her how to nair her mustache.

後來，和我關係很好的瑪麗莎-託梅（Marissa Tomei）是她搬來的表妹，她教她如何修剪鬍子。

And gets her some platforms and a little miniskirt.

然後給她買了一些平底鞋和迷你裙。

A big part was, I'm not sure you guys might be, uh, in too tight on me.

很大一部分原因是，我不確定你們會不會對我太緊張了。

I didn't have the necessary rack for the gig, so I was wearing, uh, sort of chicken cutlets.

我沒有演出所需的架子，所以我穿的，呃，有點像雞排。

But we were shooting in the, uh, the dead of summer, so I just remember that I was always constantly taking out and juggling these chicken cutlet boobs, because it was so hot, they'd get sweaty, and we had these large air-conditioning tubes that would be in this little slums of Beverly Hills tenement.

但我們拍攝的時候正值酷暑，所以我只記得我總是不停地把這些雞排巨乳拿出來變戲法，因為天氣太熱了，它們會出汗，而我們在貝弗利山貧民窟的公寓裡有這些大空調管。

So I would hang out in there, crawling around in there, reading my philosophy books, and I'd put the little chicken cutlets in there to try to cool them off.

我就在裡面爬來爬去，讀我的哲學書，還把小雞排放進去，讓它們涼快涼快。

There was a lot of that. Yeah, I mean, it was certainly a very special film that really resonated with people.

有很多這樣的事情。是的，我的意思是，這肯定是一部非常特別的電影，能引起人們的共鳴。

Again, I think it was that Tamara Jenkins was drawing on so much personal reservoir that it just felt very specific.

同樣，我認為這也是塔瑪拉-詹金斯汲取了太多的個人儲備，所以感覺非常特別。

I see it still now, and I think it's probably the best movie that I've made.

我現在還能看到它，我覺得這可能是我拍過的最好的電影。

順便說一下，好像還有其他 75 個。

I probably just wouldn't even recommend, let alone break down.

我可能連推薦都不會推薦，更不用說分解了。

I've technically died on three separate occasions, and I haven't met God.

嚴格來說，我已經死過三次了，但我還沒有見過上帝。

Dindy Collins' Orange is the New Black, now streaming on Netflix.

Dindy Collins 的《Orange is the New Black》正在 Netflix 上播放。

It was a couple of years ago, but it's still there, I bet.

雖然是幾年前的事了，但我想肯定還在。

You know, Piper, Taylor Schilling, sort of, you know, trusted ally in the early seasons, and, of course, has a grand romance with the Isle of Stone, Lorna.

你知道，"吹笛者 "泰勒-席林（Taylor Schilling），在早期幾季中是一位值得信賴的盟友，當然，她與 "石之島 "洛娜（Lorna）也有一段浪漫的愛情故事。

Kate Mulgrew, Red, is sort of her prison mom, and, yeah, she's really got a lot of mommy issues.

凱特-穆爾格魯（Kate Mulgrew）飾演的瑞德是她的獄中媽媽，是的，她真的有很多媽媽的問題。

You know, her mom kind of didn't really give her the love she needed, and I think weirdly sort of finds a bit of a family while she's in there, even though she knows she's got to get out.

你知道，她的媽媽並沒有真正給予她所需要的愛，我覺得她在裡面很奇怪地找到了一點家庭的感覺，儘管她知道自己必須出去。

You know, it takes place in prison, so, you know, I remember in establishing those characters with the hair and makeup and wardrobe team, it was all about sort of personalizing, in these small, nuanced ways, these characters who were in Litchfield Prison and, you know, what they would have access to.

你知道，故事發生在監獄裡，所以，你知道，我記得在與髮型、化妝和服裝團隊一起建立這些角色時，一切都是為了以這些細微、微妙的方式，將這些在利奇菲爾德監獄的角色個人化，你知道，他們能接觸到什麼。

So, for Nicky Nichols, it was a lot of, like, we put a white T-shirt underneath it so she could just roll up the T-shirt a bit, or she would stuff her pants into her kind of work boots so that she had a little bit of flair.

是以，尼基-尼科爾斯（Nicky Nichols）經常在裡面穿一件白色 T 恤，這樣她就可以把 T 恤捲起來，或者把褲子塞進工裝靴子裡，這樣她就有了一點亮點。

And from a makeup standpoint, we really realized that, like, the under black liner with just some too much mascara was sort of no foundation.

從化妝的角度來看，我們真正意識到，黑色眼線加上過多的睫毛膏是沒有基礎的。

The hair, it's messy, unpolished, unkempt.

頭髮亂糟糟的，不加修飾，不修邊幅。

Yeah, you know, Nicky Nichols is a ladies' man.

是啊，尼基-尼古拉斯是個有女人緣的男人。

I don't know what your secret is, Specs, but you are looking even hotter than I remember.

我不知道你有什麼祕訣，斯貝克斯，但你看起來比我記憶中更性感了。

That's sort of key to her style or her sort of presentation is,

這是她的風格或她的表達方式的關鍵所在、

And then, yes, it is really heavy in the final season as Red's mind starts to float away.

然後，是的，在最後一季中，當小紅的思想開始飄忽不定時，它真的很沉重。

She sort of finds herself kind of, you know, taking over that slot and, you know, becoming the mother to Red.

她發現自己有點，你知道的，接替了那個位置，你知道的，成為了瑞德的母親。

Do your vitamins usually have an identification number on them?

It was actually very sweet, you know, because, you know, like the Netflix parties would be these, like, you know, small things.

這其實很溫馨，你知道的，因為 Netflix 的派對都是些小事情。

I remember, like, telling my friends about Orange is the New Black, and they were like, ah, that's too bad.

我記得，我跟朋友們說起《新黑橘子》時，他們都說："啊，太糟糕了。

I guess you're on a, your career took you to the internet.

我猜你的職業生涯把你帶到了互聯網上。

We were shocked to discover, like, the huge hit it would become and the way it would change the business forever.

我們震驚地發現，它將成為一個巨大的熱門話題，並將永遠改變整個行業。

So it was sort of very fun to be in on that early ride, an industry really changing.

是以，能在行業真正發生變化的早期參與其中，是一件非常有趣的事情。

And then you were kind of in the eye of the storm.

We were just making this bizarre secret show and sort of nobody knew what we were making.

我們只是在做這個奇怪的祕密節目，沒有人知道我們在做什麼。

And then all of a sudden it came out and it really changed the landscape also of, you know, our vision of what women could be and what type of women should be at the center of the story.

突然之間，它的出現改變了我們對女性的看法，也改變了故事中心應該是什麼樣的女性。

I mean, I smoke, what, like two packs a day?

我的意思是，我每天抽兩包煙？

I have the internal organs of a man twice my age.

A Russian Doll is a show I co-created with Amy Poehler and Leslie Hedlund.

俄羅斯娃娃》是我與艾米-波勒（Amy Poehler）和萊斯利-赫德蘭（Leslie Hedlund）共同創作的一部劇。

She's a pretty defiant, you know, when we first meet her and sort of her arc is one of finding Alan and sort of finding that connection that sort of opens up a way out of, in season one, a death loop.

當我們第一次見到她的時候，她是一個非常不服輸的人，她的弧線是找到艾倫，找到那種聯繫，在第一季中，她打開了一條走出死亡循環的路。

And in season two, it goes even, you know, deeper into sort of her, her origin story.

而在第二季中，它甚至更深入地講述了她的起源故事。

Season two really becomes a Quantum Leap season.

第二季真正成為了 "量子飛躍 "季。

Nadia is definitely sort of a bit of a Lou Reed figure.

納迪婭絕對有點像盧-裡德（Lou Reed）。

For the year, it's important to have like very good walking shoes because there's a lot of running around, you know, she's always falling down staircases and running into the MTA and walking on train tracks.

在這一年裡，最重要的是要有一雙非常好的步行鞋，因為要經常跑來跑去，你知道，她總是從樓梯上摔下來，跑進 MTA，走在火車軌道上。

So a lot has to happen and they're really long hours and a lot of night shoots, we usually shoot in dead of winter and, you know, silky blouse or something that's sort of like someone's a bit of a Stevie Nicks or something.

所以必須要做很多事情，拍攝時間非常長，還有很多夜景拍攝，我們通常是在寒冬臘月拍攝，你知道，要穿絲質上衣，或者有點像史蒂維-尼克斯（Stevie Nicks）之類的衣服。

And then over that, a sort of, you know, a blazer that can get her through all situations.

然後，在她的外衣上，你知道，是一件可以讓她應付各種情況的西裝外套。

And then on top of that, an overcoat, pair of sunglasses, cause you need those.

除此之外，你還需要一件大衣和一副太陽鏡。

You know, I write and direct and produce and star in that show.

你知道，我編劇、導演、製片，還主演了那部劇。

Russian Doll and Poker Face have real tentacles in the Altman movie, The Long Goodbye and Elliot Gould's sort of hipster, you know, seventies portrayal of a sort of sleuth.

俄羅斯娃娃》（Russian Doll）和《撲克臉》（Poker Face）在奧特曼的電影《漫長的告別》（The Long Goodbye）中有真正的觸角，艾略特-古爾德（Elliot Gould）在片中飾演了一位七十年代的時髦偵探。

我們真的很喜歡製作這檔節目。

It's a really special endeavor and it's a brainy bunch that comes together to realize it.

這是一項非常特別的工作，是一群有頭腦的人共同完成的。

我在《撲克臉》中扮演查理-凱爾。

And, you know, as a cocktail waitress at a casino when we first meet her and she finds herself a little bit in the middle of the eye of the storm, kind of cracking a case.

我們第一次見到她時，她還是賭場的雞尾酒女招待 她發現自己正處於暴風眼的中心，正在破案。

She's got this ability to tell when people are lying and historically she's used that for poker, but left aside that life for a simpler one.

她有一種辨別別人說謊的能力，歷史上她曾用這種能力來打撲克，但後來為了更簡單的生活而放棄了這種能力。