Name: 傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦是以色列間諜"：塔克-卡爾森在 "無客戶名單 "風波中震驚美國|特朗普|邦迪 ('Jeffrey Epstein Was Israeli Spy': Tucker Carlson Stuns US Amid 'No Client List' Row| Trump| Bondi)
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So I noticed everyone's been talking about Epstein tonight, and I want to kind of differ from the crowd a little bit in saying that I watched Ben Shapiro yesterday and Now before you boo me.

我注意到今晚大家都在談論愛潑斯坦 我想和大家說點不同的 在你們噓我之前 我昨天看了本-夏皮羅的節目

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He's like It happened a long time ago who cares and by the way, we should trust the government and Whatever the bureaucrats tell us and by the way, it's wrong to ask a lot of unauthorized questions So I just want to go on the record to say that Now to say I think that's absurd and it's exactly the kind of thinking that I personally voted against in the last election in the last election.

他的意思是這是很久以前的事了，誰在乎呢？順便說一句，我們應該相信政府，相信官僚們告訴我們的一切，順便說一句，問很多未經授權的問題是不對的，所以我只想鄭重聲明，我認為這是荒謬的，這正是我個人在上次大選中投票反對的思維方式。

I spent a lot of a Lot of the month of October Campaigning with and for the president.

十月份，我花了很多時間與總統一起競選總統。

I never vote for anybody generally I know they're always telling you you must vote or you can't have an opinion.

一般來說，我從不投票給任何人，我知道他們總是告訴你必須投票，否則就不能發表意見。

Oh, shut up I don't like to vote and but I did vote this time and I don't like to vote because I don't believe in any of them and This time I really felt like I know Trump Well, I love Trump personally and what we were looking at was just so awful and totalitarian and stupid And it wasn't even the arguments that I disagreed with from the Kamala Harris.

我不喜歡投票，但我這次投了票，我不喜歡投票是因為我不相信任何一個人，這次我真的覺得我瞭解特朗普，我喜歡特朗普本人，我們看到的只是如此可怕、極權和愚蠢，甚至不是我不同意卡馬拉-哈里斯的論點。

It's weird even say her name now Who was that exactly?

現在說她的名字都覺得怪怪的 她到底是誰？

It was like a bad dream But It wasn't even so much the arguments I disagreed with though.

這就像一場噩夢，但我不同意的甚至不是那些論點。

I just definitely disagree with the arguments It was the style of argument that drove me completely bonkers summarized most crisply by shut up racist Whatever you said it was shut up racist.

我只是絕對不同意這些論點，這種論點的風格讓我完全抓狂，最簡潔的概括就是 "閉嘴的種族主義者"，無論你說什麼，都是 "閉嘴的種族主義者"。

It's like but wait, you know, first of all, I'm not a racist But that's not even the point.

這就像，但等等，你知道，首先，我不是種族主義者，但這根本不是重點。

The point is I just told you what I think I just asked you an entirely legitimate question Mostly what the hell are you doing and rather than answer it?

關鍵是我剛剛告訴了你我的想法，我剛剛問了你一個完全合理的問題，最重要的是你到底在做什麼，而不是回答這個問題？

You didn't pay me the respect that you would a human being you treated me like a slave or an animal by telling me to Stop barking.

你沒有像對待一個人那樣尊重我，你把我當成奴隸或動物，叫我別叫了。

Shut up racist And I won't put up with that because I'm not a slave or an animal.

閉嘴，種族主義者，我不會容忍的，因為我不是奴隸，也不是動物。

I'm an American citizen an adult man who pays his taxes so You know I ask people questions for a living and very often I get answers that I don't care for that I disagree with that.

我是一個美國公民，一個納稅的成年人，所以你知道，我以問人問題為生，而我得到的答案往往是我不喜歡的，我不同意這樣的答案。

I think are stupid, but at least they're answers At least the person responding is treating me like a human being with a soul created in the image of the Creator He's paying me the respect that every human being is due When you ask a direct question to someone in charge You are due that person is morally bound to give you an answer He's not bound to agree with you, but he's bound to stop and answer your question and The left never did that.

我認為這些問題很愚蠢，但至少它們是答案，至少回答問題的人把我當做一個有靈魂的人，是按照造物主的形象創造出來的，他對我給予了每個人應有的尊重，當你直接向負責人提問時，你就應該得到他的回答，他不一定同意你的觀點，但他一定會停下來回答你的問題，而左派從來沒有這樣做過。

They would dismiss you out of hand You are not worth listening to be quiet And that's of course where the impulse to censorship comes from it comes from the belief that you don't deserve to speak Because you're not fully human.

當然，這就是審查衝動的來源，它來自於這樣一種信念：你不配說話，因為你不是完整的人。

They own you and That's what I voted against above all I voted against a million different things that I hated about the last administration their insane desire to start pointless wars around the world Their total unwillingness to protect this country Domestically to protect the people who live here to protect the territorial integrity of the country bringing in tens of millions of people illegally Giving them free stuff the second they get here making a mockery of citizenship.

他們在世界各地發動毫無意義的戰爭，完全不願意在國內保護這個國家，保護生活在這裡的人民，保護國家領土完整，非法引進數千萬人，一到這裡就給他們免費東西，這是對公民身份的嘲弄。

I hated all of that, but the thing I hated most Was their total unwillingness to answer any question about why they were doing what they were doing?

我痛恨這一切，但我最痛恨的是他們完全不願意回答任何關於他們為什麼要這樣做的問題？

Because it was just too insulting and every single time I would just feel like raising the middle finger and screaming obscenities, which is not an adult response all I'll concede but that's how I felt and I think that's really at the heart of why the Epstein thing is so distressing I mean the guy was some weird sex freak who was abusing girls We knew that But the fact that the US government the one that I voted for refused To take my question seriously and instead said case closed shut up conspiracy theorist was too much for me and I I Don't think the rest of us Should be satisfied with that and by the way Let me just say really quickly because I was so mad about it that I think I found out part of what's going on I Think we are gonna find out more and I think the truth for whatever it's worth in case you're interested Is that the DOJ didn't release lots of incriminating sex videos with Epstein and his billionaire pals because they don't have them They don't have them because when the original search warrant was served 2007 I think possibly 2006 I think 7 it was basically designed to protect Epstein The search warrant was written in such a way to make sure that the feds never got their hands on the actually incriminating evidence It's another way of saying the cover-up has been going on since 2007 almost 20 years And so the real question is not was Jeffrey Epstein a weirdo who was abusing girls?

因為這太侮辱人了，每次我都想豎起中指，大喊髒話、我承認這不是成年人的反應 但這就是我的感受 我想這也是愛潑斯坦事件 讓人如此痛心的核心原因 我是說這傢伙是個虐待女孩的怪胎 我們都知道卻拒絕認真對待我的問題 只說 "結案了" "閉嘴" "陰謀論者 "這讓我無法接受 我覺得其他人也不該對此感到滿意我想我們會發現更多真相 不管值不值得，如果你感興趣的話 司法部沒有公佈愛潑斯坦和他的億萬富翁夥伴們的大量性愛視頻最初的搜查令是2007年簽發的 可能是2006年簽發的 基本上是為了保護愛潑斯坦所以真正的問題不是 傑弗

Yes, we can answer that the real question is why was he doing this on whose behalf and where did the money come from?

是的，我們可以回答這個問題，但真正的問題是，他為什麼要以誰的名義這樣做，錢從哪裡來？

and those are the questions that need to be answered and I think it's entirely fair to ask them and it's not adequate to say Anyone who asked them is somehow desecrating the memory of little girls who died in Texas.

這些都是需要回答的問題，我認為提出這些問題是完全公平的，如果說提出這些問題的人是在褻瀆德克薩斯州死去的小女孩的記憶，這是不恰當的。

I'm not gonna put up with that answer I don't care who gives that answer that is not acceptable and I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel services, probably not American and We have every right to ask on whose behalf was he working?

我不會容忍這樣的答案，我不管是誰給出的答案，這都是不可接受的，我認為真正的答案是傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦是代表英特爾公司工作的，可能不是美國人，我們完全有權利問他是代表誰工作的？

How does a guy go from being a math teacher at the Dalton school in the late 70s with no college degree?

一個沒有大學文憑的人是如何從 70 年代末道爾頓學校的數學老師做起的？

To having multiple airplanes a private island and the largest residential house in Manhattan where did all the money come from and No one has ever gotten to the bottom of that because no one has ever tried and moreover It's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government Now no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed into Thinking that that's naughty.

此外，任何人都能明顯看出，這傢伙與外國政府有直接聯繫，但沒有人被允許說那個外國政府是以色列，因為我們已經被嚇住了，認為那是下流的行為。

There is nothing wrong with saying that there is nothing hateful about saying that there's nothing anti-semitic about saying There's nothing even anti-israel about saying that I've spent my entire life pretty much in Washington Where I knew and loved a number of people including one very close person who worked at CIA that has never Prohibited me from saying I think the CIA has done some horrible things Murdered a bunch of people participated in the murder of a sitting u.s.

我的一生幾乎都在華盛頓度過，在那裡我認識並愛上了許多人，包括一位在中情局工作的非常親密的人，但這並不妨礙我說，我認為中情局做了一些可怕的事情，謀殺了許多人，參與謀殺了一位現任美國總統。

It's got a whole trail of crimes That doesn't make me a disloyal American.

這並不意味著我是一個不忠誠的美國人。

It doesn't make me anti-american in any sense.

從任何意義上講，這都不會讓我反美。

I was born here My family's been here for hundreds of years.

我在這裡出生，我的家族在這裡生活了幾百年。

That's why I live here So criticizing the behavior of a government agency does not make you a hater.

所以，責備政府機構的行為並不代表你就是仇敵。

It makes you a free person It makes you a citizen.

它讓你成為自由人，讓你成為公民。

You're allowed to do that Because you're not a slave You're a citizen and you have a right to expect that your government will not act against your interests and you have a right to Demand that foreign governments not be allowed to act against your interest.

你有權這樣做，因為你不是奴隸，你是公民，你有權要求你的政府不採取有損你利益的行動，你有權要求外國政府不採取有損你利益的行動。

That's not creepy It shouldn't be forbidden and yet all of us have trained ourselves to believe that you can't say that somehow but that's like too naughty and forbidden and the effect of Making that off-limits has been to create a lot of resentment and I'll say it hate online Where people feel like they can't just say like what the hell is this you have the former Israeli prime minister living in your house You have all this contact with the foreign government were you working on behalf of Mossad were you running a Blackmail operation on behalf of foreign government by the way every single person in Washington DC thinks that I've never met anyone Who doesn't think that I don't know any of them that hate Israel, but no one feels they can say that why?

這並不令人毛骨悚然，不應該被禁止，但我們所有人都訓練自己去相信，你不能說這種話，但這就像太淘氣和被禁止的。在網上，人們覺得他們不能說這是怎麼回事 你讓以色列前總理住在你家 你和外國政府有聯繫 你是在代表摩薩德工作嗎 你是在代表外國政府進行勒索嗎？但沒人覺得他們可以這麼說，為什麼？

And I think the longer that we play along with it the more Subterranean and creepy and hateful the conversation actually becomes so I think it's better just to say it right out loud Did this happen and of course that question has been asked to the government of Israel and their answer is we're not going to tell you And I think our answer should be no no As long as we're sending you money if you were committing crimes on our soil We have an absolute right to know did you do this or not and yet everybody has been so brainwashed Into thinking that's somehow an expression of hate or bigotry When it's not it's a baseline question that every US citizen has a right to an answer on What the hell was this and by the way if it turns out that it was nothing at all That somehow Jeffrey Epstein really did earn a hundred and sixty five million dollars giving tax advice to somebody which is for the record a lot more than most people pay their accountants and That none of this was actually a foreign intel operation and that there was no Blackmail involved that actually Bill Gates was just hanging on the island because the weather was especially good No one was videotaped doing anything immoral or illegal, and then that was used against them to get them to obey If all of that is false, then just tell me how it's false But don't call me a lunatic and when Fox News runs a piece as they did yesterday But Hugh Hewitt saying that anybody who's got even more questions about Epstein Is some kind of nutcase with an unhappy personal life is spending too much time on Twitter in the fervid fever swamps of conspiracies You know up yours buddy The one you answer the question then Don't let anybody insult you anybody and I mean anybody ever Get away with insulting you instead of answering a legitimate question Okay ever And by the way You will hear certain people say well, you know that means you hate the per no it doesn't I've got a bunch of kids I would never let them get away with that If I caught one of my kids, you know smoking weed in the bathroom at my house I was like you smoking weed in the bathroom.

我認為我們玩得越久，對話就會變得越地下、令人毛骨悚然和充滿仇恨，所以我認為最好直截了當地說出來，這件事發生過嗎？我認為我們的回答應該是 "不"，"不"，只要我們給你們寄錢，如果你們在我們的土地上犯罪，我們就有絕對的權利知道你們是否做了這件事，然而每個人都被洗腦了，認為這是一種仇恨或偏執的表達。順便說一句，如果事實證明這根本不算什麼 傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦真的賺了1億6500萬美元 給別人提供稅務建議 這可比大多數人給會計師的薪水高多瞭如果這些都是假的、那就告訴我怎麼是假的 但不要說我是瘋子 當福克斯新聞昨天發表

Shut up racist You hate me No, you're my child.

閉嘴 種族主義者 你恨我 不 你是我的孩子

I don't hate you answer the freaking question Were you smoking weed in the bathroom or not?

我不討厭你回答這個該死的問題 你到底有沒有在廁所裡抽大麻？

I'm not the criminal here You seem to be So I just think it's really important to get into that headspace and even now when people talk about this topic I can promise you since I spent all day on the phone yesterday on this topic With informed people.

我不是這裡的罪犯，你似乎是，所以我只是覺得進入這種思維空間真的很重要，甚至現在當人們談論這個話題時，我可以向你保證，因為我昨天花了一整天的時間就這個話題與知情人士通電話。

They're like whispering certain words and I'm like, why are we whispering?

他們就像在低聲說某些話，我就想，我們為什麼要低聲說呢？

Why should I be ashamed as an American about wanting to know what the hell that just was?

作為一個美國人，我為什麼要為想知道剛才到底發生了什麼而感到羞愧呢？

I'm not the bad guy here Why should why should I be embarrassed to ask what's in this war for us?

我又不是壞人 我為什麼要不好意思問這場戰爭對我們有什麼好處？

We got to go to war shut up You're a bigot if you don't want it.

我們必須參戰，閉嘴，如果你不願意，你就是個偏執狂。

First of all, I'm not a bigot But second that's kind of not the point The point is what's in it for us?

首先，我不是一個偏執狂，但其次，這不是重點，重點是這對我們有什麼好處？

Shut up And it's exactly the style of argument that I voted against and I will never accept it.

閉嘴，這正是我投票反對的論調風格，我絕不會接受。

I don't care who does it I will never accept that Give me a legitimate answer a reasonable answer a Sincere answer a good-faith answer we may disagree You may say is a good friend of mine who's totally deranged but a good person said to me yesterday Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world You know reading the talking point that apparently everyone a bumper sticker that is for sale somewhere I guess And I'm like, okay I don't even know what that means exactly but how many Americans have been killed by Shia terrorism in my lifetime, which is 56 years.

我不管是誰幹的 我永遠不會接受 給我一個合法的答案 一個合理的答案 一個真誠的答案 一個有誠意的答案 我們可能會有不同意見 你可能會說是我的一個好朋友 他完全瘋了 但昨天一個好人對我說 伊朗是世界上最大的恐怖主義贊助國好吧，我甚至不知道這到底是什麼意思，但有多少美國人被殺害什葉派恐怖主義在我的一生中，這是56年。

I Can't think of any there was 9-11 that was a Sunni terror attack and then there's the drug epidemic Which has killed more than a million people during that same period People I know my next-door neighbor's kid Dead people a bunch of people I know have died and a bunch have been totally screwed up and taken out of out of life Basically, their lives have been hollowed out their husks.

我想不出來，9-11事件是遜尼派的恐怖襲擊，然後是毒品氾濫，同期有超過一百萬人喪生，我認識的人中，我隔壁鄰居的孩子死了，我認識的人中，有很多人死了，還有很多人被徹底搞砸了，基本上失去了生命，他們的生活被掏空了。

That's the reality that I live in in the United States You're telling me Iran is a bigger threat than the people peddling this garbage.

這就是我生活在美國的現實，你告訴我伊朗比兜售這些垃圾的人更具威脅。

It's not oh Shut up, and the person literally said You know, we're gonna have to agree to disagree disagree with what what are you even talking about?

你知道，我們不得不同意不同意，你到底在說什麼？

He didn't go immediately to motive Okay, so this is always the tell this is when you know you're dealing with someone who has zero interest in getting to the truth of the question and Instead is trying to make you be quiet in order to roll over you and make you obey And the tell is when they go immediately to motive well, you just hate some group or you're taking money from some other group and Neither one is happens to be true in my case, but I always feel like saying well, okay What if I am getting paid or what if I do I have some kind of creepy bigotry, which I don't because I think it's immoral God created individuals each one knows the hairs on your head each person has a soul No person is seen by God as a member of a group each person is seen by God as an individual So I don't like that and I really don't I'm not just saying that and I mean every individual on the planet regardless of what?

好吧，這總是一種暗示，當你知道你在和一個對了解問題真相毫無興趣的人打交道時，這種暗示就會出現，相反，他想讓你保持沉默，以便碾壓你，讓你服從，而這種暗示就是，當他們立刻說出動機時，好吧，你只是討厭某個團體，或者你在收某個團體的錢，而在我的情況中，這兩種說法都恰好不是真的、但我總是想說，好吧，如果我收錢了呢，或者如果我有某種令人毛骨悚然的偏執呢，我沒有，因為我認為這是不道德的，上帝創造了個人，每個人都知道你頭上的毛髮，每個人都有靈魂，沒有人被上帝視為群體的一員，每個人都被上帝視為個人，所以我不喜歡這樣，我真的

He looks like or what he believes that is true of every person and I sincerely mean that but even if I didn't maybe I was some like full wacko and Maybe I was like taking tons of money from some bad country one of the bad countries.

他的長相或他的信仰是每個人的真實寫照，我是真心實意的，但即使我不相信，也許我也是個十足的瘋子，也許我就像從某個壞國家之一的壞國家拿了大把的錢。

You're not allowed to talk about or like guitar That's the most hilarious Guitar is kind of controlling our conversation guitar evil guitar.

你不能談論吉他，也不能喜歡吉他，這是最搞笑的，吉他在控制我們的談話，吉他是邪惡的吉他。

I Am laughing I've actually been to Qatar.

Never taken a dollar from the Qataris or the Qataris or whatever they're called It's great country But uh, but whatever but even if I was like on the payroll of Qatar I Can't now but anyway, even if I was it still wouldn't make the question any less relevant.

我從來沒拿過卡塔爾人或卡塔爾人的錢，不管他們叫什麼，這是個偉大的國家，但不管怎麼說，即使我是卡達的僱員，我現在也不能，但不管怎麼說，即使我是，也不會讓這個問題變得不那麼重要。

and Their refusal to answer that question lets you know right away That you are not dealing with a person of good faith.

如果他們拒絕回答這個問題，你就會立刻意識到，你面對的不是一個有誠意的人。

You're dealing with a propagandist who is trying to control you And I would say at exactly that point That's when you say out loud I know who you are This is all fake.

你面對的是一個試圖控制你的宣傳者，而我要說的正是在這個時候，你要大聲說，我知道你是誰，這一切都是假的。

You can't even answer the question You're trying to make me shut up because I'm a bigot like the Liberals did Seven months ago, and that's why we voted them out.

你甚至無法回答問題 你想讓我閉嘴，因為我是個偏執狂，就像七個月前自由黨所做的那樣，這就是我們把他們趕下臺的原因。

所以，我不會容忍這樣的事情發生。

I voted against this and I won't tolerate it So the second point I would make Before maybe taking a couple of your hostile questions, I hope about Qatar Is I was brooding about this today what about the Epstein story is so uniquely infuriating And I'll just say I mean, I've never met Epstein But I mean, I know a million people who knew Jeffrey Epstein He it is true that he was around like everyone knew Jeffrey Epstein I don't think I was cool enough to actually meet him But like he was just a guy who's kind of circulating around like this rich guy who knew everybody What is it and everyone knew he was a creep, but then there are a lot of creeps in that world Just telling you what you probably know already What is it about Jeffrey Epstein?

我投了反對票，我不能容忍 所以第二點我想說的是 在接受你們的敵意提問之前 我希望關於卡達的問題是我認識無數認識傑弗裡・愛潑斯坦的人 他確實是個名人 每個人都認識傑弗裡・愛潑斯坦 我覺得我沒那麼酷去見過他 但他就是個到處流傳的富翁

That's so infuriating to people so infuriating that it's actually causing Seismic political problems and I hope that they'll address it and it'll get better.

這讓人們感到非常憤怒，以至於引發了地震政治問題，我希望他們能解決這個問題，讓情況好轉。

I'll tell you what it is It's the frustration of normal people watching a certain class of people get away with everything every single time That's what it is and That drives me Absolutely bonkers, by the way, it's one of the things that bothers me about immigration You know as someone who got arrested in Syracuse, New York as a kid because I had an expired driver's license and brought to his cell I'm watching people come that actually happened.

我告訴你這是什麼，這是正常人的挫敗感，看著某一類人每次都能逍遙法外，這就是問題所在，這讓我絕對抓狂，順便說一句，這也是移民問題困擾我的原因之一，你知道，我小時候在紐約雪城因為駕照過期而被捕，被帶到牢房裡，我看著人們來，這確實發生過。

Yes, I joined a gang but I watch, you know, 60 million people come into the country illegally or overstay their fake refugee status or whatever It's the whole thing's a scam and they get housing vouchers and free education and free cell phones and plane tickets It's like wait a second.

是的，我加入了一個幫派，但我看到，你知道，有6000萬人非法進入這個國家，或者逾期滯留在他們的假難民身份或任何東西，整個事情就是一個騙局，他們得到住房券，免費教育，免費手機和機票。

Not only they're not getting punished for breaking American law as I would and have they're getting rewarded for it the unfairness of it drives you crazy and it's particularly galling in the case of Jeffrey Epstein and the whole And how do you know they're getting away with scams I'll tell you how because they're useless and they're rich So, how do you come to a place where some of the least impressive most useless people who have no actual skills?

他們不僅沒有像我一樣因為違反美國法律而受到懲罰，而且還是以得到了獎賞，這種不公平讓人抓狂，尤其是在傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦和整個事件中，更是讓人痛心疾首，你怎麼知道他們會在騙局中逍遙法外？

become billionaires How's that legitimate?

And by the way, if you ask this question at least in Washington, it's like oh, yeah, it sounds like you're a socialist Sounds like socialism.

順便說一句，如果你問這個問題，至少在華盛頓，人們會說，哦，是的，聽起來你是個社會主義者。

I'm a socialist All right, leaving aside my committed socialism Can you answer the question?

我是社會主義者 好吧，拋開我堅定的社會主義不談，你能回答這個問題嗎？

How did Bill Ackman get nine million billion dollars?

比爾-阿克曼是如何獲得九百萬億美元的？

Well, Bill Ackman a pretty impressive guy.

比爾-阿克曼是個令人印象深刻的傢伙。

No Bill Ackman's like well-connected and super aggressive.

不，比爾-阿克曼人脈廣，而且超級激進。

And I think you know well-connected super aggressive people deserve a fair living like everybody else But if you're accruing nine million dollars just because you're willing to do anything, I Don't know why we have to pretend that's good How did how did Epstein get four Gulf Streams, how did he get an island a massive ranch in New Mexico the biggest house in New York?

我想你也知道人脈很廣的超級激進分子 應該像其他人一樣過上公平的生活 但如果你因為願意做任何事 就能賺到九百萬美元 我不知道我們為什麼要假裝那是好事 愛潑斯坦是怎麼得到四條灣流的？

Like what is that like at some point the the basic economics really matter and they matter because Not that it's bad that rich people are getting richer.

比如說，在某些時候，基本經濟學真的很重要，它們之所以重要，並不是說有錢人越來越有錢是壞事。

It's bad that everyone else is getting poorer and it's especially bad The young people can't afford homes.

其他人都變得越來越窮，這很糟糕，年輕人買不起房尤其糟糕。

Let me just put a very precise point on this If you want a measure of how your economy is doing I Personally favor eliminating GDP as a measure.

如果你想衡量本國經濟的發展狀況，我個人贊成取消國內生產總值這一衡量標準。

It's clearly not relevant They tell me Japan has a stagnant GDP if you've been to Tokyo It's the single most radicalizing experience you'll ever have because it's just so nice you lost the war really Can we lose a war and wind up like this?

如果你去過東京，他們就會告訴我日本的國內生產總值停滯不前 這是你所經歷過的最激進的經歷，因為它太美好了 你真的輸掉了戰爭嗎？

GDP no, I don't know what even that is the total economic activity.

GDP 不，我甚至不知道那是什麼經濟活動總量。

No, my measure is really simple I got a bunch of kids.

不，我的措施很簡單，我有一群孩子。

Can they afford houses with full-time jobs at like 27 28 and the answer is no way And the answer is that 35 year olds with really good jobs can't afford a house unless they stretch and go deep into debt And I just think that's a total disaster.

答案是不可能，35 歲有好工作的人也買不起房子，除非他們繼續借債。

That's a complete disaster why two reasons one if people don't own things they don't feel ownership of the country they're in and the country gets super volatile Because people feel like they've got nothing to lose when you have a lawn trust me you're thinking long-term Second it's really hard to have a family without a house It is it's like super fun to live in an apartment if you know, there's like a bar downstairs You're in a cool neighborhood.

這完全是一場災難，原因有二：其一，如果人們沒有自己的東西，他們就不會對自己所在的國家有主人翁感，國家就會變得超級動盪不安，因為當你有一塊草坪時，人們會覺得自己一無所有，相信我，你會考慮長遠；其二，沒有房子真的很難有一個家庭，住在公寓裡很有趣，如果你知道，樓下有一個酒吧，你在一個很酷的社區裡。